DUST Search - Shotgun is OP!

Sentient Archon wrote:

SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:

After running around with the Dragonfly Scout BPO and an HK4M shotgun with no SP in it whatsoever, and two shotting everything, whether it is a proto assault with 500 shields or an A-Series Heavy with I don't even know how much EHP, I'm going to go ahead and say that I had no idea what I was talking about when I made that post.

Shotgun is OP gg

Hello! Do you remember me from last night? Yes me? I was the one that kept shot gunning you and then teabagged you when I shotgunned you when you pulled out your proto suit and krin.

Now if you recollect our game last I shot gunned you a few times and it was because i got the drop on you. If someone gets the drop on you, you deserve to be killed. However later on the in game killed me a few times when I tried to shotgun you. Remember?

The end result is that I killed you because I got the drop on you. The times when we went one on one with my shotgun you killed me. One on one and with reasonable distance, the shotgun always looses. I have killed shotgunners and have been killed buy shotguns too. It is not the shotgunners fault that you are caught unaware. Its totally your fault.

Just my 0.02 NerfEverything

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote:

A militia shotgun two shotting an A-Series heavy is balanced, okay

It is, actually.

Just to have a vague hope of scratching the paint on someone's armour, you have to cross through the ideal ranges of every other possible weapon except Nova Knives and SMGs. That's just for your shots to register as hits. If you want to be close enough to actually HURT the target, you need to pass through the SMG's preferred range as well, and for a two-shot with a Militia Shotgun, you almost have to be in range for Nova Knives.

Also, that two-shot isn't going to happen with a Militia Shotgun unless the A-Series guy is running a suit with no tanking modules, AND the Shotgunner is either EXTREMELY lucky with their spread or has a lot of SP tied up in Shotguns.

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Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.12.10 05:57:00 - [31] - Quote It's a bloody shotgun. If it isn't wrecking your **** at close range, it's useless.
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2012.12.10 06:50:00 - [32] - Quote Schazla wrote: People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor. but I shouldn't be allowed to die against militia gear in ADV gear!!
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2012.12.10 06:51:00 - [33] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Schazla wrote: People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor. No offense I kill all the so called shot gun greats with my SMG. True I have high proficiencies for the SMG and Side arm sharpshooter, but I dont let them shotgunners get close to me. Its your gameplay thats to blame here. 1. Dont get baited 2. Keep your distance You will be fine. Now go practise this. exactaly I go 3 to 1 against high level SGs all the time with an smg and standard gear.
ZuluWarriorKnife RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 17	Posted - 2012.12.10 08:04:00 - [34] - Quote Hey, guess what? Shotties are OP in real life. To whom shall one complain about this?? hmm ... It's a shotty so it's meant to obliterate the competition at close range in very capable hands. If it's in nooby hands and you still die then ... that's a personal issue between you and your reflexes, good sirs. :)
Raxsus1 Doomheim 42	Posted - 2012.12.10 08:15:00 - [35] - Quote fred orpaul wrote: Schazla wrote: People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor. but I shouldn't be allowed to die against militia gear in ADV gear!! Fred..... stop feeding the trolls....
Fleen Costell'o Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 10	Posted - 2012.12.10 08:26:00 - [36] - Quote Now to them do not like the shotgun, crying that the missiles with the result of damage to kill the merchant ships on the area less than a grenade now. Stop crying, you're wars or not? If you see me you know I have a shotgun and a knife. P.S. Tip - Do you see a scout with the shotgun run away and hide. From Russia with love!
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.10 08:37:00 - [37] - Quote Most of the time I see people do well with a militia shotgun, a couple deaths later I see them using a prototype shotgun. SP invested shouldn't be understated.
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:12:00 - [38] - Quote Schazla wrote: People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor. What I notice that skills are carried over to the lower tiers.
STELLI0S What The French 2	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:23:00 - [39] - Quote Shotguns are not op...just a different gameplay, believe me.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.10 16:28:00 - [40] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: ITT: "Waaaaaaaaah! somebody killed me with something other that an AR! Waaaaaaaah!" LOL

NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.10 16:37:00 - [41] - Quote fred orpaul wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Schazla wrote: People kill me with militia shotguns, and i have level IV assault armor. No offense I kill all the so called shot gun greats with my SMG. True I have high proficiencies for the SMG and Side arm sharpshooter, but I dont let them shotgunners get close to me. Its your gameplay thats to blame here. 1. Dont get baited 2. Keep your distance You will be fine. Now go practise this. exactaly I go 3 to 1 against high level SGs all the time with an smg and standard gear. I Usually look for open spaces if i see a scout running around. I have had some amazing encounters with some great Shotgunners. They killed me quite a few times and i did the same, but you have to get creative around those guys. I use AR, with locus grenades (Anti shotgunner), as they give me one extra grenade to use. flank them out and shoot them with the AR, but dont get close.
Nomed Deeps The Exemplars 91	Posted - 2012.12.10 17:56:00 - [42] - Quote Shotguns should kill at close range but I've been killed by several from quite a distance. Makes me wonder if light weapon sharpshooter should be negated for shotgun. True opinion, probably not as shotgunners would have no chance otherwise. I definitely would like to speculate about splitting out sharpshooter and other across weapon type skills to be per weapon. That would more diversify the skill tree where a shotgunner cannot so easily switch back to AR when their shotgun game is not working for them. Plus, sharpshooter and the other weapon type skills can be specified to affect each weapon differently such as mass driver sharpshooter reducing the angle but increasing the distance of mass driver shots.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:10:00 - [43] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: Shotguns should kill at close range but I've been killed by several from quite a distance. Makes me wonder if light weapon sharpshooter should be negated for shotgun. True opinion, probably not as shotgunners would have no chance otherwise. I definitely would like to speculate about splitting out sharpshooter and other across weapon type skills to be per weapon. That would more diversify the skill tree where a shotgunner cannot so easily switch back to AR when their shotgun game is not working for them. Plus, sharpshooter and the other weapon type skills can be specified to affect each weapon differently such as mass driver sharpshooter reducing the angle but increasing the distance of mass driver shots. Its a great idea. It would make the game more challenging. HMG's and Forge would have the difference then.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.17 06:59:00 - [44] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Most of the time I see people do well with a militia shotgun, a couple deaths later I see them using a prototype shotgun. SP invested shouldn't be understated. After running around with the Dragonfly Scout BPO and an HK4M shotgun with no SP in it whatsoever, and two shotting everything, whether it is a proto assault with 500 shields or an A-Series Heavy with I don't even know how much EHP, I'm going to go ahead and say that I had no idea what I was talking about when I made that post. Shotgun is OP gg
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:02:00 - [45] - Quote try using the bpo militia
Mark Shirey Doomheim 46	Posted - 2012.12.17 07:02:00 - [46] - Quote I love killing people with my shotgun, because I know everyone hates it.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.17 11:16:00 - [47] - Quote Shotguns aren't overpowered. Nova Knives are underpowered. Also, ARs are OP, because they can kill me in seconds while I'm trying to get close enough to hit them with my Shotgun. Sniper Rifles are OP, because I can't even hit them with my AR at the range where they can one-shot me. SMGs are OP, because they can hurt me at mid-range and my Shotgun does nothing. Vehicles are OP, because not only are they able to hit me at long range, but even when I CAN get close enough, I can't one-shot them.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.17 11:25:00 - [48] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Shotguns aren't overpowered. Nova Knives are underpowered. Also, ARs are OP, because they can kill me in seconds while I'm trying to get close enough to hit them with my Shotgun. Sniper Rifles are OP, because I can't even hit them with my AR at the range where they can one-shot me. SMGs are OP, because they can hurt me at mid-range and my Shotgun does nothing. Vehicles are OP, because not only are they able to hit me at long range, but even when I CAN get close enough, I can't one-shot them. A militia shotgun two shotting an A-Series heavy is balanced, okay
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.17 12:19:00 - [49] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: A militia shotgun two shotting an A-Series heavy is balanced, okay It is, actually. Just to have a vague hope of scratching the paint on someone's armour, you have to cross through the ideal ranges of every other possible weapon except Nova Knives and SMGs. That's just for your shots to register as hits. If you want to be close enough to actually HURT the target, you need to pass through the SMG's preferred range as well, and for a two-shot with a Militia Shotgun, you almost have to be in range for Nova Knives. Also, that two-shot isn't going to happen with a Militia Shotgun unless the A-Series guy is running a suit with no tanking modules, AND the Shotgunner is either EXTREMELY lucky with their spread or has a lot of SP tied up in Shotguns.
Dairy Dravon Doomheim 8	Posted - 2012.12.17 14:21:00 - [50] - Quote This may have been me as I recall killing OP several times with the HK4M (or whatever it is) Shotgun. Isn't it a standard level shotty anyway? Also, if I'm in a scout suit and running circles around you and you aren't hitting me, doesn't matter what level your suit is, I'm taking you out.

Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming 143	Posted - 2012.12.17 15:46:00 - [51] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: Most of the time I see people do well with a militia shotgun, a couple deaths later I see them using a prototype shotgun. SP invested shouldn't be understated. After running around with the Dragonfly Scout BPO and an HK4M shotgun with no SP in it whatsoever, and two shotting everything, whether it is a proto assault with 500 shields or an A-Series Heavy with I don't even know how much EHP, I'm going to go ahead and say that I had no idea what I was talking about when I made that post. Shotgun is OP gg The HK is a beast though. I wish I still had some left...
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 391	Posted - 2012.12.17 16:35:00 - [52] - Quote This thread is why i love the militia shotguns. It doesn't matter your SP, skill level or armor - if you get cocky or careless you can be blasted into oblivion by just about anybody. with higher sp and a better suit you've got an advantage - not a guaranteed win. Be thankful for that - there will always be someone with more sp and better gear than you.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.12.17 16:43:00 - [53] - Quote I made a post on the Milita Shotgun being OP awhile back and basically most said, "WTF you smoking its a shotgun". https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46029 So I've been on an alt lately using all milita gear/Militia Shotgun with NO SP invested in any of them. I am consistently in the top 3 on leaderboards with this horrible fit. I usually 1 or 2 shot proto suits, just ask guys in my corp. It takes no skill to use a shotgun and kill people in proto (sorry dark cloud). So if you get run over by an LAV (yup thats me) or an LAV pulls up and I get out and one shot you with a Miltia Shotgun, please remember this post.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.17 17:13:00 - [54] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: After running around with the Dragonfly Scout BPO and an HK4M shotgun with no SP in it whatsoever, and two shotting everything, whether it is a proto assault with 500 shields or an A-Series Heavy with I don't even know how much EHP, I'm going to go ahead and say that I had no idea what I was talking about when I made that post. Shotgun is OP gg Hello! Do you remember me from last night? Yes me? I was the one that kept shot gunning you and then teabagged you when I shotgunned you when you pulled out your proto suit and krin. Now if you recollect our game last I shot gunned you a few times and it was because i got the drop on you. If someone gets the drop on you, you deserve to be killed. However later on the in game killed me a few times when I tried to shotgun you. Remember? The end result is that I killed you because I got the drop on you. The times when we went one on one with my shotgun you killed me. One on one and with reasonable distance, the shotgun always looses. I have killed shotgunners and have been killed buy shotguns too. It is not the shotgunners fault that you are caught unaware. Its totally your fault. Just my 0.02 NerfEverything
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.17 20:58:00 - [55] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: After running around with the Dragonfly Scout BPO and an HK4M shotgun with no SP in it whatsoever, and two shotting everything, whether it is a proto assault with 500 shields or an A-Series Heavy with I don't even know how much EHP, I'm going to go ahead and say that I had no idea what I was talking about when I made that post. Shotgun is OP gg Hello! Do you remember me from last night? Yes me? I was the one that kept shot gunning you and then teabagged you when I shotgunned you when you pulled out your proto suit and krin. Now if you recollect our game last I shot gunned you a few times and it was because i got the drop on you. If someone gets the drop on you, you deserve to be killed. However later on the in game killed me a few times when I tried to shotgun you. Remember? The end result is that I killed you because I got the drop on you. The times when we went one on one with my shotgun you killed me. One on one and with reasonable distance, the shotgun always looses. I have killed shotgunners and have been killed buy shotguns too. It is not the shotgunners fault that you are caught unaware. Its totally your fault. Just my 0.02 NerfEverything Yes I remember :D The proto suit and AR loss was funny, I got swamped by you and 4 other red dots, and I thought I was lucky for surviving an OB on the CRU I had spawned on with it. What was your ISK payout? The times you killed me were because you got in close, obviously. The times I killed you were because you spawned in front of me and tried to rush straight at me. You can't take objectives from 20m+, but you can wait for someone to come within 10m and two shot them with a shotgun easy. I would know, because after that game I went and ran a shotgun myself like I said. Had a Dragonfly scout and an HK4M with literally nothing else on it because we deployed before I finished my fit and I forgot about it, and went something like 22-3, 28-9, and 31-7. With zero SP in it. Fighting people with advanced and proto suits. I literally sprinted, jumped, and zigzagged at every heavy I saw and two shot them while laughing in their face. Garrett Blacknova wrote: SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: A militia shotgun two shotting an A-Series heavy is balanced, okay It is, actually. Just to have a vague hope of scratching the paint on someone's armour, you have to cross through the ideal ranges of every other possible weapon except Nova Knives and SMGs. That's just for your shots to register as hits. If you want to be close enough to actually HURT the target, you need to pass through the SMG's preferred range as well, and for a two-shot with a Militia Shotgun, you almost have to be in range for Nova Knives. Also, that two-shot isn't going to happen with a Militia Shotgun unless the A-Series guy is running a suit with no tanking modules, AND the Shotgunner is either EXTREMELY lucky with their spread or has a lot of SP tied up in Shotguns. You don't even -need- to dodge fire. The game forces you into close quarters so often that if your speed isn't enough in a scout suit, you can just wait for people to try and come so they can take an objective or whatever and butffuck them. Sure I won't get as many kills as I would using my Tar with OP range, but those kills are farming kills. I used to think heavies camping corners and objectives were the worst thing, now I can two shot them with a free suit and gun I have no SP in. The heavies that were being killed were A-Series and vk1's from Tritan Industries. All I ever see from them is tanked heavies, so I assume that's what they were using, but I can't say for certain what their fit was. I do know me and my corp mates shotguns with zero SP in it were two shotting them though, and they were defenseless because it was on C on the four point skirmish map. Lots of cover for a scout to force CQC. I'm not really sure where I'm going with all of this though. I don't have a suggestion to nerf the shotgun that wouldn't end up making it useless, but it feels so cheap at the moment. It was fun to use, so I guess that is good, but so lame to fight against lol.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.17 21:02:00 - [56] - Quote The HK4M is an ADV shotgun. Same specs as a CRG-3. I would agree that it's OP, being it requires no skill to fit. but it's a bonus you can't replenish for less than $20 a pop.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2012.12.17 21:08:00 - [57] - Quote I'm sorry but name an FPS where the shotgun isn't overpowered? How is this news? There's a reason why along with grenade launchers they're called noob tubes?
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.12.17 21:12:00 - [58] - Quote DTOracle wrote: The HK4M is an ADV shotgun. Same specs as a CRG-3. I would agree that it's OP, being it requires no skill to fit. but it's a bonus you can't replenish for less than $20 a pop. This is true, and I'm going to use a militia one later on today to see if I have the same kind of success. My friend wasn't having any less success with his militia one though.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.17 21:18:00 - [59] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: What was your ISK payout? Most of the matches I was shotgunning my ISK payouts were over 250K ISK. Easy monay!
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.17 21:20:00 - [60] - Quote SATORI CORUSCANTi wrote: I'm going to use a militia one later on today to see if I have the same kind of success Dudeeeeeee! Imma gonna do the same today if I dont end up getting laid . If we are on the same team lets roll together and shotgun those silly noobs and proto suit users. Teabagging them is a must though . Thats only for proto suit users and noobs.



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