I've been online gaming (FPS & MMO) since I got out of the USMC in '97 and started gaming overall in 1980 with ATARI. Lets not even get into dice and paper (Yeah dork I know). Never once did I use any software or hardware that gave me an advantage. I played the games raw as they were intended. But then again thats just me.... Whats with these modded controllers!? Are you that pathetic and fail that much at life that your only satisfaction is having big numbers in a video game by any means?! Doesn't it defeat the purpose of testing yourself against people from all over the world using strategy and teamwork?! In my opinion, your not good and your numbers mean nothing if all your doing is pointing and letting the rapidfire do the rest. Is everyone who plays this game going to have to buy/use modded controllers to even stand a chance when it really matters?!

My .02
Bring on the hate.

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I don't see it being addressed anytime in the foreseeable future. It seems that most console developers are lax in their policy towards hacked controllers and peripherals. Microsoft for example was more than happy to allow people to hack the Kinect system. Then there are the hacked Wii consoles with Home Brew installed. PS3 is no different either.

There is an old saying amongst hackers. Just because something is claimed to be unhackable it doesn't mean hackers will stop trying. Someone will figure something out.

So who are you accussing of a modded controller?

My brother and myself use the tact with pure trigger finger. I have only seen one player use a modded controller. Guess what? He shot a lot slower than us. I know one player who use a macro and he still shoots a lot slower than us.

It is not hard to shoot fast with the tactical. All you QQ'ers should try to shoot the tactical as fast as you can to see how easy it is. Before complaining that everybody is using a modded controller.

My brother and myself have been told that we been using a modded controller since call of duty 2(2006)!!!! We have never wasted a dime on a modded controller and never will. My trigger finger is so much better than a stupid modded controller.

KB/M support has a much bigger effect than modded controllers for this game

Got called out via mail for using one last night. You know who you are. You visit here. All I can say is that accusing someone of using a modded controller is a bit presumptuous and maybe says something of the accusers gun game/strafe skills. Apparently, I was told, CCP has the ability to detect modded controller use, I just cannot confirm this. The Zitro Bros are the real deal. Fizzy is the real deal. Some ppl just have better stick play than others. Instead of QQing about it, maybe ask them for advice. At least you would be adding "construction" to said "criticism".

PS- I have too many RL bills to pay and I would rather NOT spend the $150-$200 dollars or whatever high price it is. Hell, I'd just buy another slim to replace my Fatboy PS.

the fire rate is going to have to manually be lowered. the weapon is being exploited and isnt being used as intended. all the weapons in the game have roles and the tac AR is exceeding its. at least it was caught in beta.

imagine if someone was automatic firing with the sniper rifle. because thats the equivalent of whats happening.

No it doesn't. The weapon is not being exploited. If great players using a gun that actually takes skill to use is called an exploit, I have lost faith in humanity.

Tactical AR is being used as intended. It's a far to medium range rifle, it does it job. It's hard to use at close range. I see absolutely no problem with it. It has it's pluses and negatives just like every other gun.

and it can fire 10 shots in a straight line in a sec with a simple click on a modded controller

It's pretty obvious when you die to a guy with TAC and no mod, and a guy with TAC and mod

How do you detect a modded controller? All it does is make R1 (or w/e button you wanted) engage, and disengage quickly. The ONLY way to counter this is to cap the fire rate of weapons.

I have played games where devs cap the ROF on weapons, and my trigger finger was easily reaching this cap.




You do realize that hacking consoles, and running homebrew is something completely different to modding a controller right? How is a modded controller even remotely advantages with weapons that have a ROF cap?

People are making a big deal out of nothing. Modded controllers have been around for a long time now. Having a M+KB is more of a cheat on console than a modded controller.

More pew pew and less QQ

I received a knock off controller that was sold through amazon. I naturally thought the dust controls were junk, until a friend of mine brought over an official PS3 controller that was bundled with his system. I've tested other 3rd Party PS3 controllers, and found out none of them really function well with Dust.

It's no use playing Dust514 unless you anticipate opening the shrink wrap to a new PS3 controller.

I'm all against cheaters, but seriously how many people are actually modding their controller? .0001%?

I don't think it's a big issue on console.

you don't have to mod your own these days, you can buy them ready to go or get a guy who does it in practically every city to do it for 20-50 bucks

So? My point still stands. How many people are actually doing it?

I contend it's not enough to be a major problem.

So? My point still stands. How many people are actually doing it?

I contend it's not enough to be a major problem.

It's alot more than you think, certainly more than .0001%

Alright, I'll bite.

Where are all these modders? What evidence have you seen that suggests its prolific enough to be a problem?

I threw out a random number, but you threw out a random claim. Let's seem some facts.

I would just like to point out the 5 times i got hate mail for using modded controllers I was using the burst rifle. I used the tact but if it was more close range I would switch to duv or burst rifles. The sound of a burst with High Rate of Fire sounds much faster than anyone can fire a TAC.

I would also like to point out that both zitros would get hate mail when running DUVs not TACs. So many people are predisposed to players being really good = hackers some how.

I would like to thank those 5 people for the hate mail. Makes me feel like I am good player even if you are dumb and can't understand the difference between burst and TAC

lol. Look! All the players who have gun game (imperfects) say it isn't a big deal while all the terrible kids think that everyone is modding and they only suck because of modders and hackers.

You suck because you can't play worth crap. Not because modders have rapid fire controllers.

It's a PC thing. If CCP is allowing KBM there's no reason not to allow nodded controllers, it's the same basic premise. You pay for 3rd party hardware to give yourself an advantage, it's just a basic tenant of PC gaming.

you are being very ignorant my friend... Nobody is saying every tac we get hit by is modded, but I know and any sensible person knows that this gun has the ability to be abused and is abused by certain people who feel the need to have an advantage over others to look " cooler "

Who cares?

If they are so desperate that their ego comes from killing people with single-fire weapons and a modded controller than let them. There's no good way to prove and/or stop it and not enough people mod for it to be an issue.

Seems like the kiddies with no gun game are QQ again about losing.
Maybe its because we all have 5 to 7 Million in SP.. No that can't be it..
Maybe its because we have been playing for 5 to10 months on Dust..no that can't be it.
Maybe its because all of us are old FPS vets and can do this in our sleep.. nope thats not it..

Well dang it must be a modded controller then...

Seriously if that is your logic, then go play COD with the other kids.

If anyone thinks people are using a mod for a standard or assault rifle, they are crazy and delusional.. but you know and alot people know, including people who won't admit it that when it comes to a single shot weapon that has the ability to fire rapidly it will be abused, not just this game but every damn competetive shooter out there.

Just because you use it and don't have a mod, doesn't mean the guy next to you doesn't either. It has the ability to become an OP weapon when using mod , no matter how you look at it and people will jump on it for the all mighty KDR EPEEN

QFT

I made a similar argument a few posts back. None of the QQers addressed my post, so it must be right

I never said the problem didn't exist. I'm saying two things:

1) No one with any amount of skill has had issues with modders.

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Therefore the problem seems to be people who suck

2) Rapid-fire controllers don't matter in Dust, weapons have a RoF cap. (Yes, even the single shot)

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Therefore the problem seems to be people who suck


Sure, there are modders out there. But unless you are the unlucky soul who manages to play against every single modder on PSN, then I think the problem has to do with your skill and not those dirty dirty modders.

The point I was trying to make is I have used tac and switched to burst rifle in matches and still got lots of kills. I would then get hate mail for using a mod controller because they could hear my bullets fire super fast. When I was actually using the burst rifle. So a lot of the hate of modded controllers aren't always from the keen of mind.

Are there players using modded controllers? Probably. CCP should limit ROF but keep it high as I support the idea of letting people with quick trigger fingers have a gun for them to use. I like the idea of individual skill playing a big part in dust.

Maybe they should do it another way. Make the cap stupid high but have recoil dependent inverse of time between shots. So a modded controller would be pointing straight up after less than 2 shots while a player can adapt their recoil management and trigger speed to sync. Possible outside the box solution - just make using a modded controller an expensive waste of time.

I have yet to see anybody who I'd claim to be using a modded controller, so the 10% figure sounds pretty outlandish.

Reminds me of when people would accuse me and my clanmates of scrollwheel-firing in PC shooters.

That's an interesting solution, might be on to something, however not quite that drastic as there are some people who are fairly quick on the short burst 2-3 quick shots.

No it doesn't. The weapon is not being exploited. If great players using a gun that actually takes skill to use is called an exploit, I have lost faith in humanity.

Tactical AR is being used as intended. It's a far to medium range rifle, it does it job. It's hard to use at close range. I see absolutely no problem with it. It has it's pluses and negatives just like every other gun.

That's an interesting solution, might be on to something, however not quite that drastic as there are some people who are fairly quick on the short burst 2-3 quick shots.

if next week some guy is shooting mass drivers like an AR it would be an issue.

Is it any more outlandish than the other guy's 0.0001% figure?

As I said, it's impossible to get accurate figures due to the nature of players and modified controllers. The figure may be 5% or even 50%. The world will never know.

I'd love to fight a mass driver that could do that, because most mass driver users are bad, so they'd dump their 4-6 rounds in an instant and not hit anybody because they don't have time to compensate their aim, and then I'd get to kill them while they're reloading. Sadly, mass drivers are set at somewhere in the realm of 60rpm or so, so you'd never see it even with a modded controller.



Considering I've personally seen zero, 0.0001% is closer to that than 3 people in every game with one.

It still does not mean they don't exist, so no matter the numbers they are there

And as Beers said, he's gotten accusations of using a modded controller while using the burst rifle. Just because the claims are there, doesn't mean they're correct. The burden of proof falls on those claiming existence, and I have yet to see any evidence pointing to it other than "omg but he shoots so fast."

And at the same time beers said, "do people use modded controllers in dust? Probably. " Sure 3/5 complaints of a modded control are most likely just whiners, but when you have a consistant thunk thunk thunk thunk thunk thunk no variation hit you in a split second and your dead, something is up my brother. And I know the difference between a burst and a tactical ( especially when it tells me what I died by anyways), and realize the advantages to using the tactical with a mod controller. You can try to redicule, and make me look a fool and scrub all you want, but you will never convince me that modded controllers do not exist in this game.

Fixes to modded controllers can be pretty easy. Very few weapons actually gain any major benefit from a modded controller (tact AR being only one I can think of off of the top of my head). This is an easy fix for the tact AR....make the ROF less than the breach ROF. That would fix this issue for the tact AR. If anyone can think of another gun that benefits from a modded controller then post that here as I cant think of any others at this time.

And as Beers said, he's gotten accusations of using a modded controller while using the burst rifle. Just because the claims are there, doesn't mean they're correct. The burden of proof falls on those claiming existence, and I have yet to see any evidence pointing to it other than "omg but he shoots so fast."

Tactical Assault Rifles fire at a rate of 789.5 RPM. That's 13.16 Rounds per second. Here's a link some guy pressing a button at a rate of 16 presses per second:

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Just adding that to the fire. I dunno how many people are using modded controllers, never can know. Whatever, just putting some perspective on the speeds we're talking about. And yes, I know that 16 and 13.16 are different numbers.

Although I do find it strange the semiautomatic weapon fires faster than the automatic weapon...somebody at the factory needs to go back to gun school.

Based on the video I rather doubt that gentleman could reach 13/second pressing the larger R1 on a DS3 while holding it in a normal position where you can still aim.

And yes, if the TAC can be fired so fast why doesn't it come with a selector switch from the factory?

Surely these will all become moot points when CCP actually implement proper recoil mechanics - I mean at the moment with any gun the second shot will go exactly where the first went if you hold the controller still and this is what is really the issue here. Although single/semi automatic shot rifles are more accurate that autos, they are still nowhere near perfect aim, or at least should not be.

Logically the TAC would have greater recoil as a result of its greater DPS and greater range. More energy thrown down range equals more kick. Action/reaction.

So THAT would be the reason the designers would build it as a singe fire weapon. Not that you couldn't make it full auto, just that it would be useless due to jumping all over the place.

So recoil would "fix" the modded controller issue. Since the normal AR's would get less recoil the change wouldn't destroy their ability to shoot full auto.

Logically the TAC would have greater recoil as a result of its greater DPS and greater range. More energy thrown down range equals more kick. Action/reaction.

So THAT would be the reason the designers would build it as a singe fire weapon. Not that you couldn't make it full auto, just that it would be useless due to jumping all over the place.

So recoil would "fix" the modded controller issue. Since the normal AR's would get less recoil the change wouldn't destroy their ability to shoot full auto.

Again, I'm wondering why the more powerful semi-auto rifle fires faster than the full auto weapon. I understand that in games full auto AR's aren't meant to function the same way as in the real world but I'm at a loss for why the ROF on the Tac rifle is so high.