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Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 19:36:00 -
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Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Reiki Jubo wrote:the fire rate is going to have to manually be lowered. the weapon is being exploited and isnt being used as intended. all the weapons in the game have roles and the tac AR is exceeding its. at least it was caught in beta.
imagine if someone was automatic firing with the sniper rifle. because thats the equivalent of whats happening. No it doesn't. The weapon is not being exploited. If great players using a gun that actually takes skill to use is called an exploit, I have lost faith in humanity. Tactical AR is being used as intended. It's a far to medium range rifle, it does it job. It's hard to use at close range. I see absolutely no problem with it. It has it's pluses and negatives just like every other gun.
and it can fire 10 shots in a straight line in a sec with a simple click on a modded controller
It's pretty obvious when you die to a guy with TAC and no mod, and a guy with TAC and mod |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 19:42:00 -
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Douglas Edom wrote:I received a knock off controller that was sold through amazon. I naturally thought the dust controls were junk, until a friend of mine brought over an official PS3 controller that was bundled with his system. I've tested other 3rd Party PS3 controllers, and found out none of them really function well with Dust.
It's no use playing Dust514 unless you anticipate opening the shrink wrap to a new PS3 controller.
Your ps3 didn't come with a DS3 Six Axis controller? Only one to use, others will be junk unless it is sony official.. it's their system, they going to have the better design :p |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 19:47:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:I'm all against cheaters, but seriously how many people are actually modding their controller? .0001%?
I don't think it's a big issue on console.
you don't have to mod your own these days, you can buy them ready to go or get a guy who does it in practically every city to do it for 20-50 bucks.
I don't use them but I own 1 for ps3 and 1 for my xbox360 , ps3 one came with 3 controllers I bought off a guy on a local internet yard sale site, and the xbox one came with xbox360 I bought off a guy on same site |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 19:57:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Super Cargo wrote:I'm all against cheaters, but seriously how many people are actually modding their controller? .0001%?
I don't think it's a big issue on console. you don't have to mod your own these days, you can buy them ready to go or get a guy who does it in practically every city to do it for 20-50 bucks So? My point still stands. How many people are actually doing it? I contend it's not enough to be a major problem.
It's alot more than you think, certainly more than .0001% |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 20:25:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:I would just like to point out the 5 times i got hate mail for using modded controllers I was using the burst rifle. I used the tact but if it was more close range I would switch to duv or burst rifles. The sound of a burst with High Rate of Fire sounds much faster than anyone can fire a TAC.
I would also like to point out that both zitros would get hate mail when running DUVs not TACs. So many people are predisposed to players being really good = hackers some how.
I would like to thank those 5 people for the hate mail. Makes me feel like I am good player even if you are dumb and can't understand the difference between burst and TAC
If anyone thinks people are using a mod for a standard or assault rifle, they are crazy and delusional.. but you know and alot people know, including people who won't admit it that when it comes to a single shot weapon that has the ability to fire rapidly it will be abused, not just this game but every damn competetive shooter out there.
Just because you use it and don't have a mod, doesn't mean the guy next to you doesn't either. It has the ability to become an OP weapon when using mod , no matter how you look at it and people will jump on it for the all mighty KDR EPEEN |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 20:28:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:lol. Look! All the players who have gun game (imperfects) say it isn't a big deal while all the terrible kids think that everyone is modding and they only suck because of modders and hackers.
You suck because you can't play worth crap. Not because modders have rapid fire controllers. you are being very ignorant my friend... Nobody is saying every tac we get hit by is modded, but I know and any sensible person knows that this gun has the ability to be abused and is abused by certain people who feel the need to have an advantage over others to look " cooler " |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 20:31:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:It's a PC thing. If CCP is allowing KBM there's no reason not to allow nodded controllers, it's the same basic premise. You pay for 3rd party hardware to give yourself an advantage, it's just a basic tenant of PC gaming.
I agree somehwat, I never was a fan of the KB/M being used on here. When you have a pvp game , you want everyone to have an equal playing field. For someone never using a kb/m it seems hard at first, but for experienced users of it that also are handy with a console controller will tell you it is far easier by being faster, smoother and customizable |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 20:35:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Super Cargo wrote:lol. Look! All the players who have gun game (imperfects) say it isn't a big deal while all the terrible kids think that everyone is modding and they only suck because of modders and hackers.
You suck because you can't play worth crap. Not because modders have rapid fire controllers. you are being very ignorant my friend... Nobody is saying every tac we get hit by is modded, but I know and any sensible person knows that this gun has the ability to be abused and is abused by certain people who feel the need to have an advantage over others to look " cooler " Who cares? If they are so desperate that their ego comes from killing people with single-fire weapons and a modded controller than let them. There's no good way to prove and/or stop it and not enough people mod for it to be an issue.
apparently quite a few people care, or this thread and countless others would not exist |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 21:06:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:DEADPOOL5241 wrote:Seems like the kiddies with no gun game are QQ again about losing. Maybe its because we all have 5 to 7 Million in SP.. No that can't be it.. Maybe its because we have been playing for 5 to10 months on Dust..no that can't be it. Maybe its because all of us are old FPS vets and can do this in our sleep.. nope thats not it..
Well dang it must be a modded controller then...
Seriously if that is your logic, then go play COD with the other kids. QFT I made a similar argument a few posts back. None of the QQers addressed my post, so it must be right
Listen up Merc , you and alot of people in this post are confusing seperate scenarios. Yes there are people who complain because they suck and think everything they shoot at and can't kill has to be hack/mod, but then there are people who play games and know when they get beat and outclassed and have done so for years and know when a weapon is being abused further than what can be done with the original mechanics. Key word in there was WEAPON, and in the case of dust it is a singular weapon, specifically the tactical assault rifle that benefits from the use of modified controls to allow rapid fire in a single click instead of using your finger faster than Wyatt Earp. There is no real way to combat this without causing a nerf into the gun , nobody likes nerfs. As someone pointed out they allow kb/m , why give a **** about modified controllers ( how ccp looks at it ) , they probably won't do a damn thing to stop it. Fine. But to say the problem does not exist and to completely ignore it is absurd. |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 21:18:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:I never said the problem didn't exist. I'm saying two things:
1) No one with any amount of skill has had issues with modders.
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Therefore the problem seems to be people who suck
2) Rapid-fire controllers don't matter in Dust, weapons have a RoF cap. (Yes, even the single shot)
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Therefore the problem seems to be people who suck
Sure, there are modders out there. But unless you are the unlucky soul who manages to play against every single modder on PSN, then I think the problem has to do with your skill and not those dirty dirty modders.
not even going to bother any more bro, the problem exists , it will continue to exist , people like you will say we suck , we will say something blah blah life goes on. o7 Merc
And beers, your reply was probably the most sensible +1 , nice little debate |
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Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 21:28:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Free Beers wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Free Beers wrote:I would just like to point out the 5 times i got hate mail for using modded controllers I was using the burst rifle. I used the tact but if it was more close range I would switch to duv or burst rifles. The sound of a burst with High Rate of Fire sounds much faster than anyone can fire a TAC.
I would also like to point out that both zitros would get hate mail when running DUVs not TACs. So many people are predisposed to players being really good = hackers some how.
I would like to thank those 5 people for the hate mail. Makes me feel like I am good player even if you are dumb and can't understand the difference between burst and TAC If anyone thinks people are using a mod for a standard or assault rifle, they are crazy and delusional.. but you know and alot people know, including people who won't admit it that when it comes to a single shot weapon that has the ability to fire rapidly it will be abused, not just this game but every damn competetive shooter out there. Just because you use it and don't have a mod, doesn't mean the guy next to you doesn't either. It has the ability to become an OP weapon when using mod , no matter how you look at it and people will jump on it for the all mighty KDR EPEEN The point I was trying to make is I have used tac and switched to burst rifle in matches and still got lots of kills. I would then get hate mail for using a mod controller because they could hear my bullets fire super fast. When I was actually using the burst rifle. So a lot of the hate of modded controllers aren't always from the keen of mind. Are there players using modded controllers? Probably. CCP should limit ROF but keep it high as I support the idea of letting people with quick trigger fingers have a gun for them to use. I like the idea of individual skill playing a big part in dust. Maybe they should do it another way. Make the cap stupid high but have recoil dependent inverse of time between shots. So a modded controller would be pointing straight up after less than 2 shots while a player can adapt their recoil management and trigger speed to sync. Possible outside the box solution - just make using a modded controller an expensive waste of time.
That's an interesting solution, might be on to something, however not quite that drastic as there are some people who are fairly quick on the short burst 2-3 quick shots.
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Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 22:47:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Reiki Jubo wrote:if next week some guy is shooting mass drivers like an AR it would be an issue. I'd love to fight a mass driver that could do that, because most mass driver users are bad, so they'd dump their 4-6 rounds in an instant and not hit anybody because they don't have time to compensate their aim, and then I'd get to kill them while they're reloading. Sadly, mass drivers are set at somewhere in the realm of 60rpm or so, so you'd never see it even with a modded controller. Maken Tosch wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:I have yet to see anybody who I'd claim to be using a modded controller, so the 10% figure sounds pretty outlandish.
Reminds me of when people would accuse me and my clanmates of scrollwheel-firing in PC shooters. Is it any more outlandish than the other guy's 0.0001% figure? As I said, it's impossible to get accurate figures due to the nature of players and modified controllers. The figure may be 5% or even 50%. The world will never know. Considering I've personally seen zero, 0.0001% is closer to that than 3 people in every game with one.
It still does not mean they don't exist, so no matter the numbers they are there |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:01:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:It still does not mean they don't exist, so no matter the numbers they are there And as Beers said, he's gotten accusations of using a modded controller while using the burst rifle. Just because the claims are there, doesn't mean they're correct. The burden of proof falls on those claiming existence, and I have yet to see any evidence pointing to it other than "omg but he shoots so fast."
And at the same time beers said, "do people use modded controllers in dust? Probably. " Sure 3/5 complaints of a modded control are most likely just whiners, but when you have a consistant thunk thunk thunk thunk thunk thunk no variation hit you in a split second and your dead, something is up my brother. And I know the difference between a burst and a tactical ( especially when it tells me what I died by anyways), and realize the advantages to using the tactical with a mod controller. You can try to redicule, and make me look a fool and scrub all you want, but you will never convince me that modded controllers do not exist in this game. |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.08 16:35:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Surely these will all become moot points when CCP actually implement proper recoil mechanics - I mean at the moment with any gun the second shot will go exactly where the first went if you hold the controller still and this is what is really the issue here. Although single/semi automatic shot rifles are more accurate that autos, they are still nowhere near perfect aim, or at least should not be.
True, hopefully the recoil update down the road will fix this without murdering full auto completely |
Knightshade Belladonna
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Posted - 2012.12.08 16:48:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Logically the TAC would have greater recoil as a result of its greater DPS and greater range. More energy thrown down range equals more kick. Action/reaction.
So THAT would be the reason the designers would build it as a singe fire weapon. Not that you couldn't make it full auto, just that it would be useless due to jumping all over the place.
So recoil would "fix" the modded controller issue. Since the normal AR's would get less recoil the change wouldn't destroy their ability to shoot full auto.
Some good logic, good point. +1 |
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