All SMG's under Proto, and somewhat of Proto- They have as range as Shotguns, which is bad, plus they have no good actual Damage output, as the thing jumps and weaves so much....

I've said it before: SMGs are killer room sweepers in low health games, but are entirely unsuited to high health games where you need to put a dozen rounds on the same target. Low mass, short barrels, and a high RoF all combine for poor accuracy and control.

The Scrambler pistol beats it in all categories.

Ok so u said you can defend a weapon I come back and deffen the ones I see, so the first will be hmg it not till I use it for more than an hour that it started to shine for meit high rate of fire and ridiculous clips made close range fun at medium rane the weapon alright, but from lav to dropsuit this weapo tear into them keeping shield and health low. In a squad of 2 hmg only sniper are your threat. And that why we should keep them though burst can suck.

SMG needs a buff tbh. I agree with the above poster saying about high health games + low damage SMG's = bad gun.

I've searched through the forums as best I can and I don't think there is anything like an actual list of weapons that the community feels are useless/overspecialize or pathetically underpowered. If it's just a few then whatever but if everyone feels that a large number of weapons are just crap then that's going to look really bad.

But first, a few ground rules to try and keep this thread useful:

1. No OP talk. Make your own thread about it or just use any of the 27.334 billion already on the boards.

2. This isn't about weapons that aren't as good as other weapons or only useful for certain things. I'm talking about weapons that are actually useless.

3. Try and give some reasons to give CCP something to work with.

4. Try to keep it focused on the problems and not debate possible solutions endlessly. Defend a weapon if you like it, though. This thread is about letting CCP know what the problems are.

So here are a few of mine:

Assault HMG: Damage is too low. You'll lose to any halfway decent AR every time with this thing. It does less DPS than an AR within the same range. The increase to HMG range has made it completely obsolete.

Burst HMG: Interesting idea but ultimately useless. If even a tiny bit of the burst misses you're done and even if they all hit it isn't always a kill. If there's more than one enemy you're dead meat. Since the point of a heavy suit seems to be defend a position against multiple attackers this gun is completely useless.

Burst Scrambler Pistol: Clip runs out to quick and capacity is too low. Would be good if you were shooting a sack of potatoes chained to a brick wall but there really is no reason to ever use the thing.

proto forge guns.

As is....

Breach AR: No benefit to carrying it as current. Tact has more range, same kick ect.

Breach Forge: The more and more i play with the forge, the less and less necessary the breach becomes. As heavy is currently, you cannot afford to take one shot from a tank, the lack of mobility is too crippling for forge gun play to be effective.

Codewish/broadside HMG: They are the definition of pay to win. except, its pay, to have halved pg/cpu upgrades.

Breach Forge: The more and more i play with the forge, the less and less necessary the breach becomes. As heavy is currently, you cannot afford to take one shot from a tank, the lack of mobility is too crippling for forge gun play to be effective.

The breach forge isnt for tanks. It's for dropships. Any other forge it takes a few too many shots to take down a dropship and they can often escape. The breach has enough damage to often down one in one shot.

The burst scrambler is useless right now, but if they tweaked it to use one unit of ammo per burst of three so it would get a better boost from the scrambler skills and tightened the accuracy just a bit it might find a way onto some fits, but right now its a worthless gun.

I also think the other scrambler that needs to be taken out is the assault variant, as all the assault it is just a better scrambler. Why not have an actually different type of pistol - like lower base damage with better headshot multiplier and range?

The breach forge isnt for tanks. It's for dropships. Any other forge it takes a few too many shots to take down a dropship and they can often escape. The breach has enough damage to often down one in one shot.

The burst scrambler is useless right now, but if they tweaked it to use one unit of ammo per burst of three so it would get a better boost from the scrambler skills and tightened the accuracy just a bit it might find a way onto some fits, but right now its a worthless gun.

I also think the other scrambler that needs to be taken out is the assault variant, as all the assault it is just a better scrambler. Why not have an actually different type of pistol - like lower base damage with better headshot multiplier and range?

It hits hard for sure but you're only going to get get one shot before any good pilot is gone. .

can we get a normal non guady pistol that dosent look like a submarine on a handle, seriously... lets get a normal square futuristic pistol so we can have some normal aiming iron sighs...

Codewish/broadside HMG: They are the definition of pay to win. except, its pay, to have halved pg/cpu upgrades.

That gun is 90 aurum....the only thing more costly are proto suits. I can get 3 blindfires for the price of 1 codewish. Paying to win?? Maybe CCP should just do away with all aur items then? If they didn't buy codewishes, they'd buy duvolle tacticals....then everyone would ask to remove duvolle tacticals as well, I guess. The issue with the codewishes (to be fair) is that the cpu/pg is half that of its ISK counterpart. But I've seen many items on the market that is in the same adv or proto class but require less cpu/pg.

This thread really isn't helpful....as there will be someone for every gun who will want it removed. I, myself find the breach forge gun really useful since I don't have any plans on skilling Forge Gun Operation pass level 2 any time soon. Tanks think they have enough health to get away until the breach hits its ass.

Codewish/broadside HMG: They are the definition of pay to win. except, its pay, to have halved pg/cpu upgrades.

All SMG's under Proto, and somewhat of Proto- They have as range as Shotguns, which is bad, plus they have no good actual Damage output, as the thing jumps and weaves so much....

proto forge guns..

8D Im gonna keep saying it till it happens.