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steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.11.28 20:30:00 - [1] - Quote just something im noticing a little bit on these forums but i think EvE players need to release the people who play shooters are not like you. They dont care about how many planets you have they dont care about your long term goals they dont care how big your corp is they dont care how long you have been playing or what you have achieved they even dont care where you rank on the leaderboards. All people who play shooters are about is, where is the next fight and how fast that guy at the end of the scope is going to drop. and if they cant find the next fight, they will just make one themselves, their mindset is very simple, who is offering the biggest isk payout for the next match hell in some cases the same clan might end up fighting each other. so just remember when your trying to make nice with Dust corps odds are come release. "they will just want to watch your worlds burn" and they WILL turn on you in seconds if the price is right. just seeing some EvE players expecting a bit much out of the shooter crowd if we wanted to play a complex strat game will would play one ^^ for the nerdy among you see Orcs from the warhammer world :P.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.11.28 20:34:00 - [2] - Quote Not sure why this was posted, but thanks for informing me that FPS players only care about FPS things. >_>
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 966	Posted - 2012.11.28 20:37:00 - [3] - Quote I do not plan to release the people at all. We are all gamers here. We all intend to burn and destroy the enemy with whatever implement we have available. Intent remains the same no matter if the implement is a HAV, AR or battleship. These artificial factional lines will make less sense over time. I know eve players who operate in very short bursts of violence rampaging from fight to fight, as well I know FPS players who are long game schemers. Bored of this drama already.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.11.28 20:40:00 - [4] - Quote dent 308 wrote: I do not plan to release the people at all. This line is why I'm confused by this thread I'm guessing. Am I missing something?
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 966	Posted - 2012.11.28 20:41:00 - [5] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: dent 308 wrote: I do not plan to release the people at all. This line is why I'm confused by this thread I'm guessing. Am I missing something? Nope, I thought it was funny as well so I used it.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2012.11.28 20:42:00 - [6] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: just something im noticing a little bit on these forums but i think EvE players need to release the people who play shooters are not like you. They dont care about how many planets you have they dont care about your long term goals they dont care how big your corp is they dont care how long you have been playing or what you have achieved they even dont care where you rank on the leaderboards. All people who play shooters are about is, where is the next fight and how fast that guy at the end of the scope is going to drop. and if they cant find the next fight, they will just make one themselves, their mindset is very simple, who is offering the biggest isk payout for the next match hell in some cases the same clan might end up fighting each other. so just remember when your trying to make nice with Dust corps odds are come release. "they will just want to watch your worlds burn" and they WILL turn on you in seconds if the price is right. just seeing some EvE players expecting a bit much out of the shooter crowd if we wanted to play a complex strat game will would play one ^^ for the nerdy among you see Orcs from the warhammer world :P. This is why I think the whole Merc aspect of this game will work well if it is correctly integrated because frankly I dont care who the biggest corp is on Eve if I get a contract for enough money I will attack whatever targets another corp wants me to and I will watch the world burn beneath my immortals feet and then I will turn on that same corp and burn them.................. as long as my bank account stays full I could care less.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.11.28 21:01:00 - [7] - Quote I don't play EVE and I actually care about the major stuff, if I wanted to play a game where nothing mattered, I'd play all the other FPS games (CoD, BF, PS, Halo etc). Sorry.
Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 328	Posted - 2012.11.28 21:08:00 - [8] - Quote I think FPS players won't care about the big sov issues to start out with. CCP needs to focus on "Salvage" first. We need to get that "THISISMETAKINGYOURSTUFF" into the game. Salvage needs to come from the bodies of dead clones not random Officer Drops (ie pve). Losing the match means NO salvage. That's the beginning of this type of game like Eve Online and Darkfall. The motivations to the bigger parts of "THISISMETAKINGYOURSTUFF" like Faction Warfare and Nullsec need to build on this basic.
Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 328	Posted - 2012.11.28 21:11:00 - [9] - Quote dent 308 wrote: blah blah blah whoring for likes with clevar blah blah blah This isn't reddit bro.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.11.28 21:23:00 - [10] - Quote If the price is right i shot anybody in the face. And if you dont pay us out we set explosives on all installations and make it go boom. Same goes if we gained controll for you but in the last sec we got a nice deal from the former owner. So we get the payout from you and then we blow everything up and gain even more cash. In the end EVE players will be the victims off the corruption of the mercs that you hire. Or loosing a fight on purpose to gain a better payout from the opposition. After all you cant win a match by just simply spamming orbital strikes. So many opportunitys, so much ISK, so much EVE nerd rage. And what ya wanna do against it Mr. Eve pilot? Kill my clone? lol i get a new 1 for free throwed at me for 0 ISK. And dont forget the RAGE on mics from the Eve pilots. Remember voice chat is working between Dust514-Eve allready

Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 898	Posted - 2012.11.28 21:42:00 - [11] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Remember voice chat is working between Dust514-Eve allready Yeah, except for in Corp chat it seems.
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.11.28 22:17:00 - [12] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: just something im noticing a little bit on these forums but i think EvE players need to release the people who play shooters are not like you. They dont care about how many planets you have they dont care about your long term goals they dont care how big your corp is they dont care how long you have been playing or what you have achieved they even dont care where you rank on the leaderboards. All people who play shooters are about is, where is the next fight and how fast that guy at the end of the scope is going to drop. and if they cant find the next fight, they will just make one themselves, their mindset is very simple, who is offering the biggest isk payout for the next match hell in some cases the same clan might end up fighting each other. so just remember when your trying to make nice with Dust corps odds are come release. "they will just want to watch your worlds burn" and they WILL turn on you in seconds if the price is right. just seeing some EvE players expecting a bit much out of the shooter crowd if we wanted to play a complex strat game will would play one ^^ for the nerdy among you see Orcs from the warhammer world :P. You also forget that every FPS panders to that crowd. Every FPS is neglecting other crowds and Dust 514 should bank on that. Those who are into mindless fighting will be left in the dust.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.11.28 22:36:00 - [13] - Quote I smart EvE player will release that even smart FPS players wont deal with the BS that comes with EvE online, the reason every FPS panders to that crowd is because that wants every FPS loves. Were all here because we want more from shooters that true. but are core nature is not going to change. your in a gangland trying to act CEO is just going to get you shot
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.11.28 22:54:00 - [14] - Quote Yes; there will be tournaments just as the Olympics with rules and balance & gun game. War however is not the Olympics where countries play nice competivily with rules derka derka har'de har har This game is a simulaton of war, its a game for groups to create countrie. FPS is a tool in DUST 514 to be used to do whatever you can, whatever you want, when you want. .1 Culture .2 Criminality, deviance, law and punishment .3 Economic sociology .4 Environment .5 Education .6 Family, gender, and sexuality .7 Health and illness .8 Internet .9 Knowledge and science .10 Literature .11 Media .12 Military .13 Political sociology .14 Race and ethnic relations .15 Religion .16 Social networks .17 Social psychology .18 Stratification .19 Urban and rural sociology .20 Work and industry An empire involves the extension of a group's sovereignty over external territories. For example, first the Spanish Empire and then the British Empire were called "the empires on which the sun never sets", because of their territories and economies around the globe Aside from the traditional usage, the term empire can be used in an extended sense to denote a large-scale business enterprise (e.g. a transnational corporation), or a political organisation of either national-, regional- or city scale, controlled either by a person (a political boss) or a group authority (political bosses). A gang is a group of recurrently associating individuals or close friends with identifiable leadership and internal organization, identifying with or claiming control over territory in a community, and engaging either individually or collectively in violent or other forms of illegal behavior. Gang members are typically "jumped in" or have to prove their loyalty by committing acts such as theft or violence, It will only create more headaches for purist FPSians. Once player driven markets are implemented things will get worse for purists FPSians, because the amount of money or materials in the universe will not be fixed and, as such, the economy operates under supply and demand. Some dust514 player characters will operate primarily as traders, buying, selling, not participating in the FPS. When sovereignty is implemented, the ownership of districts on planets that are capable of creating industry. This player ownership system will be dynamic as it will be subject to PvP diplomacy as well as subjugation. It will only create more headaches for purist FPSians I expect real Dust player to cut the power off to youre house locally just to keep you offline, and, or others, to launch invasions. That's the game I have in mind. Remember just prior to the Cylon attack on the Colonies, Roslin was the Secretary of Education. During the attack, Roslin responds to "Case Orange", the official Colonial Government emergency automated signal, and is informed that she is the highest ranking surviving member of the Presidential line of succession, and is sworn in as President Frankly due to the game's focus on freedom, consequence, and autonomy, many behaviours that are considered griefing, illegal, broken, im-unbalanced in most FPSs are allowed in DUST514. Just wait for DUST514 olympics for best gun game, 0.0 will be always more then gun game
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.11.28 23:39:00 - [15] - Quote +1 for your post very well thought out, however i disagree im not purest FPS, i will buy what i need from the state of the markets etc but i get my money from who ever pays me the most, and if someone offers more after the battle to take the territory back i will thank really world PMC, like black water or GM3, the stick to local laws beucase they have too but at the end of day their only after the contract and don't loyalty to any one nation. the game you talk about, assumes that most dust players will care about holding onto the planets, the only people i see careing about that are the EvE players, who at the end of day will just pay people to do the dirty work, rather than go though the effort of maintaing standing forces that might never see action.
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.11.29 00:12:00 - [16] - Quote ^ Thats perfect but what you are not getting is that stuff of what they care " holding onto planets" will only occur in 0.0. 1.0 planets will be empire planets. The majority of Dust514 players will never try 0.0. Same thing happened with EvE. These dust514 players will be called every name under the sun " they take this game too seriously, their all insane, no lifers etc" Youre prediction no body will go through the effort of maintaing a standing force does not bear fruit. Those who will never go through that efort will lie somwhere between 0.0 and 1.0, and some will never leave 1.0 because of the same reasons a 0.5 wont go to 0.0 in EvE. No one will ever try to force you to play and care about the same things as dust and eve players in 0.0 if that helps explain better, you can always be seperate, playing dust diffrently then them.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.29 00:26:00 - [17] - Quote I actually care about the second and fourth ones. If something can potentially bite me in the ass, I'll try to spot it out and do what I can about it.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.29 00:50:00 - [18] - Quote I see three types of players in DUST already: 1. "Casual" players - the true console FPS crowd described in the OP and stereotyped across the known universe. These will start out in HiSec, and if they stick around, will move to embrace the life of a Mercenary. These players, and their corporations, will fight for the highest bidder. They won't OWN land, they'll work with others who do, and who pay them to keep it safe, or to steal it. 2. "Involved" players - these are the ones who will actually look past the current battle, who will play favourites with the EVE corporations, and make deals that last beyond the next paycheck. Their corporations will pay attention to the political backdrop of New Eden, and they'll either let the balance of power shape their contracts, or use their power to tip the balance. 3. "Hardcore" players - These players will probably form into more strictly-managed corporations, and will fight with the intention of actually OWNING the territory they fight over - at least some of the time. Obviously, many people in such a corporation will also do merc work, but they'll take and hold planets - possibly as part of an Alliance with EVE corporations - and maybe even other DUST corps. These corporations will establish their own internal supply lines, playing the production and sale metagame alongside EVE's capsuleers, and discounting goods sold to their members and allies. IMPORTANT NOTE: The titles in quotation marks are best-fit terms as defined by me. They aren't a reference to a player's (or corp's) skill on any level, simply to their intended/effective involvement and investment in the MMO aspects of the game.
Sylwester Dziewiecki Doomheim 83	Posted - 2012.11.29 01:14:00 - [19] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: just something im noticing a little bit on these forums but i think EvE players need to release the people who play shooters are not like you. (...) oh.. dust bunnies, so young and so naive - it almost breaks my heart
Mike Krieger Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2012.11.29 04:06:00 - [20] - Quote Reimus Klinsman wrote: Those who are into mindless fighting will be left in the dust. I see what you did there! Anyway, more seriously, I actually started getting into this game simply because I like to feel that I'm having some sort of impact. I also like that you feel invested in yourself and actually feel like you have something to lose/something to gain. In CoD/Halo/Whatever else, nothing really matters. You fight, rank up, see your stats, then move on. I could die 50 times in a Black Ops match and go to the next battle with a completely clean slate. In this game, if I start getting shredded too many times, I start looking at my loadouts, seeing what I can drop/add to help me out, while also doing everything I can to dampen the strain to my wallet. If I get blown up while flying a Banshee in Halo, I don't think twice. If my Myron gets blasted by a Forge Gun, I actually care. Also, as a plus, I just opened up an Eve account as well, which I think was part of CCP's tactics from the get go. I played this, got curious with the Eve universe and decided to check out the 'other side.' Granted, Eve Online is a lot less intuitive that Dust so far (which is saying a lot since Dust isn't exactly intuitive), but I've taken enough of an interest to try sorting things out.

Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.11.29 04:48:00 - [21] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: "they will just want to watch your worlds burn" and they WILL turn on you in seconds if the price is right. So what you are saying is there will be no noticeable change in the average attitude within New Eden then? steadyhand amarr wrote: for the nerdy among you see Orcs from the warhammer world :P. In your estimation would that make EVE players Dark Eldar or Chaos? Oooo, wait I know, considering what MMORPG stands for they must be Slanessh (Note: I am too lazy to look up the spellings of these WH40k terms, they may be incorrect)
Virex Staz Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:26:00 - [22] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: All people who play shooters are about is, where is the next fight and how fast that guy at the end of the scope is going to drop. If that were actually true then CCP & their financial backers would shut down Dust, fire their strategy & market research people and go out of business. Clearly there are people willing to bet a lot of money that there are a significant number of FPS players who do care about that stuff. So, either a) all of them have spent millions deluding themselves through completely misunderstanding their target audience or b) or you are mistakenly projecting your own views on the rest of the world I'm going to go with b, but obviously that's just my own opinion.
VK deathslaer Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 149	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:27:00 - [23] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: If the price is right i shot anybody in the face. And if you dont pay us out we set explosives on all installations and make it go boom. Same goes if we gained controll for you but in the last sec we got a nice deal from the former owner. So we get the payout from you and then we blow everything up and gain even more cash. In the end EVE players will be the victims off the corruption of the mercs that you hire. Or loosing a fight on purpose to gain a better payout from the opposition. After all you cant win a match by just simply spamming orbital strikes. So many opportunitys, so much ISK, so much EVE nerd rage. And what ya wanna do against it Mr. Eve pilot? Kill my clone? lol i get a new 1 for free throwed at me for 0 ISK. And dont forget the RAGE on mics from the Eve pilots. Remember voice chat is working between Dust514-Eve allready have you actually tested that? cross-platform voice doesn't work i've tried it several times
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:11:00 - [24] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: for the nerdy among you see Orcs from the warhammer world :P. In your estimation would that make EVE players Dark Eldar or Chaos? Oooo, wait I know, considering what MMORPG stands for they must be Slanessh (Note: I am too lazy to look up the spellings of these WH40k terms, they may be incorrect) Only spelling mistake was Slaanesh, and you weren't far off. But Orcs are Warhammer Fantasy, It would be Orks for 40k, so you had the wrong setting. Should be Dark Elves instead of Dark Eldar. But I'd be more inclined to describe EVE players as Empire/Imperium (Empire for Fantasy, Imperium for 40k). They're not a particularly unified group, and there's plenty of internal strife preventing them from being the singular entity they often appear to be from an outside perspective, but they're HUGE and they share many common enemies against whom even the most disagreeable fellow Imperial will be considered a valuable ally.
Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:16:00 - [25] - Quote I like how someone want so hardly to be a special FPS-snowflake. The only one really special thing in DUST is connection to EVE: lore, universe, corporations, etc.. Yes, we don't see it in the current state of the beta and probably won't see right at release date. However, that what CPP promised to deliver.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:24:00 - [26] - Quote Hmmm. Strange that one of the biggest FPS noobs around happens to be an Eve player and is the CEO of around 80 FPS mercs. Makes me laught really since my own guys had to teach me what ADS was lolz. Yet here we are and doing rather well by all accounts. Guess there are some exceptions. What I find interesting is that some people try and tell others how to think and how they should play this game. Good luck with that.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:28:00 - [27] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Hmmm. Strange that one of the biggest FPS noobs around happens to be an Eve player and is the CEO of around 80 FPS mercs. Makes me laught really since my own guys had to teach me what ADS was lolz. Yet here we are and doing rather well by all accounts. Guess there are some exceptions. What I find interesting is that some people try and tell others how to think and how they should play this game. Good luck with that. ^^ Interesting, and amusing. The same sort of attitude was prevailaent in EVE for a long while. There was 'that way' of doing something and if you didn';t you were an idiot. Let's keep the politics heated guys!
Django Quik R.I.f.t 219	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:30:00 - [28] - Quote You really have to REALISE that this is not a normal FPS game and normal FPS players will not last long in the Dust universe. This is a FPS MMO with RPG aspects and eventually a persistent state and free market economy - people who come from CoD or BF or whatever looking to play it like a normal FPS will soon tire of the complexity and will struggle by not embracing it. This is not a game for FPSers; this is a game for MMOers.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:34:00 - [29] - Quote Django Quik wrote: You really have to REALISE that this is not a normal FPS game and normal FPS players will not last long in the Dust universe. This is a FPS MMO with RPG aspects and eventually a persistent state and free market economy - people who come from CoD or BF or whatever looking to play it like a normal FPS will soon tire of the complexity and will struggle by not embracing it. This is not a game for FPSers; this is a game for MMOers. Agree and disagree. Agreed that alot of the 'SHINIES' will leave a few months after it's release... believing they've conquered the game, won everything, or done everything. The people who stick around want more, and I know of alot of 'FPS' players who are currently in Beta who want more than CoD and BF3. They want actions to mean something, yet still play their favourite genre of game (FPS).
Django Quik R.I.f.t 219	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:40:00 - [30] - Quote Yup, agree with you on that Jackal. I just wanted to point out how naive the OP's post was.



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