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Marston EV
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.11.28 02:59:00 -
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soooo...... who else uses them?? I have the viziam laser rifle and it kinda melts people (for the most part) once it gets charged. Anyone here been on the receiving end of this? anyone else who actually uses it?? what do you guys think about them?? personally i think there OP, but thats probably cuz i go 25 and 3 with them most games....... (but then again there absolute garbidge at close range so i guess its sortaaaaa balanced???) |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:03:00 -
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I paint my name on assaults and up but in close range i may as well be slapping my target. |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
485
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:05:00 -
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Don't see too many of them. but when i do they are in close range. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:05:00 -
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I use laser rifles once in a while, they're pretty fun. Definitely the most distinctive weapon Dust 514 currently has. |
Marston EV
Doomheim
75
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:08:00 -
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yeah its absolutely neccessary to use a submachine gun if your using a laser rifle. I'm pretty mean with a submachine gun, and if know i cant deal with the situation ill just run away...... sometimes i get caught though which kinda sucks. lol do you guys feel any shame in running away??? does it depend on how valuable the suit is?? |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:11:00 -
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I use the scrambler as it is a bit of a ar/smg into one semi automatic package |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:15:00 -
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Marston EV wrote:soooo...... who else uses them?? I have the viziam laser rifle and it kinda melts people (for the most part) once it gets charged. Anyone here been on the receiving end of this? anyone else who actually uses it?? what do you guys think about them?? personally i think there OP, but thats probably cuz i go 25 and 3 with them most games....... (but then again there absolute garbidge at close range so i guess its sortaaaaa balanced???)
You are a beast with that laser! The few people who use them as well as you definetly make me think they are op. But as long as everyone else doesn't use them yet, they are under the radar.
It is amazing how fast I can be taken out by a laser from so far away no where to run, nowhere to hide just a sad hissing death |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:18:00 -
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Marston EV wrote:soooo...... who else uses them?? I have the viziam laser rifle and it kinda melts people (for the most part) once it gets charged. Anyone here been on the receiving end of this? anyone else who actually uses it?? what do you guys think about them?? personally i think there OP, but thats probably cuz i go 25 and 3 with them most games....... (but then again there absolute garbidge at close range so i guess its sortaaaaa balanced???)
lasers rip shields at range personally i dont find them OP, i use them and at 1st thought they were absolute crap till i got more disciplined keepin ppl at my optimal range.
this is the only fit that i actually use my SMG alot when i get forced into cqc
i dont get killed by laser users tbh, very rare...they do rip my shields but never get chance to really finish the kills since i understand how lasers work.
I think most ppl see it starts off doin little damage and laugh and think they got this then next 3secs all their shields gone and half their armor gone. Dont think most realise the damage ramps up alot over time and when a laser is on u its best to break its fire on u and force them into cqc if u can |
Marston EV
Doomheim
75
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:24:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Marston EV wrote:soooo...... who else uses them?? I have the viziam laser rifle and it kinda melts people (for the most part) once it gets charged. Anyone here been on the receiving end of this? anyone else who actually uses it?? what do you guys think about them?? personally i think there OP, but thats probably cuz i go 25 and 3 with them most games....... (but then again there absolute garbidge at close range so i guess its sortaaaaa balanced???) lasers rip shields at range personally i dont find them OP, i use them and at 1st thought they were absolute crap till i got more disciplined keepin ppl at my optimal range. this is the only fit that i actually use my SMG alot when i get forced into cqc i dont get killed by laser users tbh, very rare...they do rip my shields but never get chance to really finish the kills since i understand how lasers work. I think most ppl see it starts off doin little damage and laugh and think they got this then next 3secs all their shields gone and half their armor gone. Dont think most realise the damage ramps up alot over time and when a laser is on u its best to break its fire on u and force them into cqc if u can
shhhhhhhh dont let them all know our weaknesses!!! lol your right though, thats pretty much the exact same thing i thought. I started using laser rifles probably about a week after they became available and it took me about three matches to figure out what was up....... i gotta say, now that i know my weapon, its a TON more effective then what it used to be |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:28:00 -
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Marston EV wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:Marston EV wrote:soooo...... who else uses them?? I have the viziam laser rifle and it kinda melts people (for the most part) once it gets charged. Anyone here been on the receiving end of this? anyone else who actually uses it?? what do you guys think about them?? personally i think there OP, but thats probably cuz i go 25 and 3 with them most games....... (but then again there absolute garbidge at close range so i guess its sortaaaaa balanced???) lasers rip shields at range personally i dont find them OP, i use them and at 1st thought they were absolute crap till i got more disciplined keepin ppl at my optimal range. this is the only fit that i actually use my SMG alot when i get forced into cqc i dont get killed by laser users tbh, very rare...they do rip my shields but never get chance to really finish the kills since i understand how lasers work. I think most ppl see it starts off doin little damage and laugh and think they got this then next 3secs all their shields gone and half their armor gone. Dont think most realise the damage ramps up alot over time and when a laser is on u its best to break its fire on u and force them into cqc if u can shhhhhhhh dont let them all know our weaknesses!!! lol your right though, thats pretty much the exact same thing i thought. I started using laser rifles probably about a week after they became available and it took me about three matches to figure out what was up....... i gotta say, now that i know my weapon, its a TON more effective then what it used to be
yup a hell of alot more fun to use than an AR tbh but an AR will always be my goto all purpose weapon like it should be im still using standard as well cant wait to get my adv tomorrow proto will hav to wait sadly as im split between tank and infantry skills atm :P |
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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:34:00 -
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Underpowered compared to AR's. AR's do everything but range,which can be fixed with Tactical. Lasers are definitely epic though. I have advanced, working up to Prototype. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:50:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I use laser rifles once in a while, they're pretty fun. Definitely the most distinctive weapon Dust 514 currently has.
I'd say forgegun is STILL the most distinctive weapon. The laser needs beam colour variants. It also needs a militia tier weapon. It's the only reasonable alternative to an assault rifle. Roll on scrambler rifle :D |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:50:00 -
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Always on the receiving end and always, apparently, by people that know what they're holding in their hands.
I'll be all cautious and going one way and the next thing I know I've got armor depleting and no cover to get to, turn around in the hopes of dropping this surprise assailant and see this great beam of light originating from somewhere I have no hope of killing in time.
I love it. |
Marston EV
Doomheim
75
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Posted - 2012.11.28 03:52:00 -
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prototype just melts people....... the viziam is soo good that i can almost use it in close range (if there health is low enough) it melts people in medium and long ranges, and with sharpshooter 4 im killing people a mile away! too bad its 80k isk a gun though..... limits the amount of times i can die, and basically requires me to be in a sqaud if i want to feel "secure" using it..... |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.28 04:40:00 -
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first couple seconds of getting fired at with one isn't that bad.. running across the path of one that is fully heated and rips my 400 shield off my assault suit in one sec sucks tho -_-, I hate how you can fire at nothing to heat it then find a target , but oh well |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.11.28 04:57:00 -
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At sharpshooter 7 they are even better. Once you can use the advanced one always use that. Proto for special events or extra badass. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.28 05:01:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:At sharpshooter 7 they are even better. Once you can use the advanced one always use that. Proto for special events or extra badass.
sharpshooter 7? that sharpshooter lvl 5 and prof 2? |
CLONE 2774
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
83
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Posted - 2012.11.28 05:14:00 -
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Laser rifles are my specialty |
MItt R0mney
Doomheim
58
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Posted - 2012.11.28 05:56:00 -
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Laser rifle user here. I only have the advanced one, the ELM I believe. I really like how there is versatility between anti-infantry and anti-vehicle capabilities. Lasers can blap a clone in a second with a high enough charge at range but it takes an entire clip to kill a militia assault in CQC. And they can strip the shields of a shield tank in at least 2.5 clips. 1 clip if it's an armor tank.
The only thing that I'm wondering is if the overheat is working as intended? Because it's impossible to overheat the laser rifle with the advanced laser rifle. |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.11.28 06:01:00 -
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MItt R0mney wrote:Laser rifle user here. I only have the advanced one, the ELM I believe. I really like how there is versatility between anti-infantry and anti-vehicle capabilities. Lasers can blap a clone in a second with a high enough charge at range but it takes an entire clip to kill a militia assault in CQC. And they can strip the shields of a shield tank in at least 2.5 clips. 1 clip if it's an armor tank.
The only thing that I'm wondering is if the overheat is working as intended? Because it's impossible to overheat the laser rifle with the advanced laser rifle.
First off, IDKittenK you names yourself Mitt Romney, Waste of a username brah e.e |
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.11.28 06:11:00 -
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Its not bad to take out multiple people at once at long range. Kill the 1st guy and keep shoting cause then the weapon has build up heat and the next target allmost insta died. Its a very good weapon iff you can keep your targets at a distance but when you get cought up close you are most off the time screwed up. |
MItt R0mney
Doomheim
58
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Posted - 2012.11.28 06:19:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:MItt R0mney wrote:Laser rifle user here. I only have the advanced one, the ELM I believe. I really like how there is versatility between anti-infantry and anti-vehicle capabilities. Lasers can blap a clone in a second with a high enough charge at range but it takes an entire clip to kill a militia assault in CQC. And they can strip the shields of a shield tank in at least 2.5 clips. 1 clip if it's an armor tank.
The only thing that I'm wondering is if the overheat is working as intended? Because it's impossible to overheat the laser rifle with the advanced laser rifle. First off, IDKittenK you names yourself Mitt Romney, Waste of a username brah e.e
wat
(my username is a joke, dislike both Obama and Mitt) :DDD |
Higgs flagrantfool
3dge of D4rkness Industrials
27
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Posted - 2012.11.28 06:56:00 -
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Not to much I can think of to add to this thread except:
I love my LR!. Please dont Chang a thing, except maybe, drop the price on the proto a little (way to expensive) and add some variants/more variety (needs variants badly, 3 rifles is not nearly enough).
Oh and I love having to work for my cqc kills I'm getting to be a beast with the scrambler (got to love the burst variant and sidearms specialization) |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2012.11.28 07:12:00 -
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Laser can't replace AR as a basic tool. But, it is an awesome support weapon/force multiplier.
Best killing streaks can be made not alone but anytime you have a couple of squadmates a little bit in front of you. Being a lone LR'r it is very easy for bogeys to focus avoiding your fire and possibly close up. But even in that situation LR can be used in area denial. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2012.11.28 07:36:00 -
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A player using a proto tactical AR, who is maxed out on anything that increases the guns damage, shooting me point-blank right in the head... would take longer to kill me than some of the laser rifles I have encountered lately.
It is insane how fast they melt through shields and armor. Even just a graze for a split second causes me to lose about 90% of everything. |
Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:05:00 -
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Getting better with my laser fits, i kinda like the flashlight o' doom. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
219
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:54:00 -
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I always thought LRs were supposed to be utter rubbish against armour but time and again my heavy suit is ripped to bits in seconds. Armour damage from LRs seems too high. |
MItt R0mney
Doomheim
58
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Posted - 2012.11.28 11:04:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I always thought LRs were supposed to be utter rubbish against armour but time and again my heavy suit is ripped to bits in seconds. Armour damage from LRs seems too high.
Well, from my experience, when i'm shooting a heavy with a LR, i'm maintaining a pretty good headshot. It's easier because you guys are big and slow. That probably fills the armor handicap gap. |
v3k3v
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
24
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Posted - 2012.11.28 12:38:00 -
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I have the viziam also and pro 1 or 2 and I still think its UNDERpowered. I had to fit 10% damage mod to go against a AR guy. The fact a AR can take you out in 2 seconds You cant wait for the laser to ramp up power.
The viziam is good but much too costly. You cant loose 3 of them per match.. a duvolle AR is 50k isk.. a Viz is about 80k isnt it... go figure.
Given your painting a HEY IM OVER HERE line across the map with a laser beam your instantly a target.. sooo... lasers need a bit more power and some sort of help. Id rather the power be high at first and fade down as it gets hot. Technically a laser gun like that would function with more power at first. Heat sinks really are required for lasers.. heat build up is a major issue. Most highpower lasers without proper water cooling can only be on for about 10 seconds. But even energy is fresh and powerful at first.. then you drain the battery a bit after a few shots. |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
104
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Posted - 2012.11.28 15:36:00 -
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I have been using the basic laser at laser skill 1, and I never overheat, ever. Has anyone else noticed that the overheat on these weapons is nearly pointless? |
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Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.28 15:43:00 -
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v3k3v wrote:I have the viziam also and pro 1 or 2 and I still think its UNDERpowered. I had to fit 10% damage mod to go against a AR guy. The fact a AR can take you out in 2 seconds You cant wait for the laser to ramp up power.
The viziam is good but much too costly. You cant loose 3 of them per match.. a duvolle AR is 50k isk.. a Viz is about 80k isnt it... go figure.
Given your painting a HEY IM OVER HERE line across the map with a laser beam your instantly a target.. sooo... lasers need a bit more power and some sort of help. Id rather the power be high at first and fade down as it gets hot. Technically a laser gun like that would function with more power at first. Heat sinks really are required for lasers.. heat build up is a major issue. Most highpower lasers without proper water cooling can only be on for about 10 seconds. But even energy is fresh and powerful at first.. then you drain the battery a bit after a few shots.
The laser gets stronger the longer you fire, far exceeding the power of an assault rifle, no damage mod needed |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:01:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:v3k3v wrote:I have the viziam also and pro 1 or 2 and I still think its UNDERpowered. I had to fit 10% damage mod to go against a AR guy. The fact a AR can take you out in 2 seconds You cant wait for the laser to ramp up power.
The viziam is good but much too costly. You cant loose 3 of them per match.. a duvolle AR is 50k isk.. a Viz is about 80k isnt it... go figure.
Given your painting a HEY IM OVER HERE line across the map with a laser beam your instantly a target.. sooo... lasers need a bit more power and some sort of help. Id rather the power be high at first and fade down as it gets hot. Technically a laser gun like that would function with more power at first. Heat sinks really are required for lasers.. heat build up is a major issue. Most highpower lasers without proper water cooling can only be on for about 10 seconds. But even energy is fresh and powerful at first.. then you drain the battery a bit after a few shots. The laser gets stronger the longer you fire, far exceeding the power of an assault rifle, no damage mod needed
hes talkin about how the initial buildup is low the AR guy can kill u if hes good before ur power ramps up enough |
MItt R0mney
Doomheim
58
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:03:00 -
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Encharrion wrote:I have been using the basic laser at laser skill 1, and I never overheat, ever. Has anyone else noticed that the overheat on these weapons is nearly pointless?
Ummm, the standard laser rifle does overheat. And when it does, you take damage from your own weapon. Only the Advanced and prototype weapons don't overheat. |
Kengfa Akcay
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:14:00 -
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.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:16:00 -
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Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game.
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The Viziam is the prototype laser, and is excellent. The STB blurf I will just disregard. |
Kengfa Akcay
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:27:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. ? The Viziam is the prototype laser, and is excellent. The STB blurf I will just disregard.
The advanced is 80% less than the prototype, and works just as good. |
Jak Teston
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:54:00 -
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I've been using the LR lately and had a lot of fun with it. Needs a lot of tactical planning, but works beautifully when it does. It has a seriously reduced effectiveness against armor, but most armor users, heavies, tend to just walk straight at you, because that's what you do when you have an HMG - against the LR that's not an ideal tactic because that makes headshots very easy. The ADS on the LR is just perfect for it's optimum range.
I'm afraid to skill up though. I don't want less heat - I want more heat. I can balance the LR nicely at 75% heat until it runs out of charge, so having any less heat buildup would just reduce my effectiveness. Is the ELM really better than the standard issue LR? |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:58:00 -
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Kengfa Akcay wrote:dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. ? The Viziam is the prototype laser, and is excellent. The STB blurf I will just disregard. The advanced is 80% less than the prototype, and works just as good.
Check the damage output, the prototype has the advantage. |
Kengfa Akcay
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:04:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. ? The Viziam is the prototype laser, and is excellent. The STB blurf I will just disregard. The advanced is 80% less than the prototype, and works just as good. Check the damage output, the prototype has the advantage.
That's a 5 damage difference, it isn't even noticeable. |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:07:00 -
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Kengfa Akcay wrote: That's a 5 damage difference, it isn't even noticeable.
I disagree, thats the base damage, and it ramps up from there. It would be nice if the proto laser was a little cheaper, but performance wise I do see a difference. |
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Dreylor Thunderfall
Conspiratus Immortalis
44
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Posted - 2012.11.28 20:12:00 -
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Kengfa Akcay wrote:dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. ? The Viziam is the prototype laser, and is excellent. The STB blurf I will just disregard. The advanced is 80% less than the prototype, and works just as good. Check the damage output, the prototype has the advantage. That's a 5 damage difference, it isn't even noticeable.
5 more damage on the LR is huge... standard and advanced do 15.. proto does 20 that's a 33% increase in damage.
I use the LR on a couple of my characters and I love em. Looking forward to some variants.
Also heat isn't what increases damage on the LR... time on does. So you will see more damage out of the ELM-7 and proto.
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SickJ
French unchained corporation
48
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Posted - 2012.11.28 20:18:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I always thought LRs were supposed to be utter rubbish against armour but time and again my heavy suit is ripped to bits in seconds. Armour damage from LRs seems too high.
I always assumed in my head that the LR works by heating whatever it's aimed at, so against armour it'll just heat up the suit until the guy inside gets broiled.
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.11.28 21:05:00 -
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On skirmish its ideal to get yourself on a nice position and simply do a area denial job. Nobody is stupid enough to go ahead on open terrain against a laser rifle. Hell ive once pitched up my tent on a hill, shot a few times to let every 1 know where i was and then i had 4 guys trying to assault me with assault rifles on medium-long range. I killed 3 off them and the 4th guy run away with like 10% armor left over. A nice strategy is aswell to get a good LAV, drive around till you found a target that is on a effective distance, jump out and start melting him. If somebody trys to flank you jump back into your LAV, get distance and shot the fool. The reason behind this is that the laser rifle is a inverted assault rifle in terms off range efficency. The longer the range the more effective it is. |
Cinnamon267
The Southern Legion
30
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Posted - 2012.11.28 21:32:00 -
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I use teh lazer beams :)
Really satifying to get someone into the optimal range and seeing both bars just vanish. |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
391
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Posted - 2012.11.29 05:26:00 -
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The LR is a really satisfying weapon to use. I usually pair it with a heavy suit so I can soak up enough damage to get my rifle hot. seems to work well enough for me. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2012.11.29 05:30:00 -
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Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. You again? Just walk back under your bridge |
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