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Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.28 15:43:00 -
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v3k3v wrote:I have the viziam also and pro 1 or 2 and I still think its UNDERpowered. I had to fit 10% damage mod to go against a AR guy. The fact a AR can take you out in 2 seconds You cant wait for the laser to ramp up power.
The viziam is good but much too costly. You cant loose 3 of them per match.. a duvolle AR is 50k isk.. a Viz is about 80k isnt it... go figure.
Given your painting a HEY IM OVER HERE line across the map with a laser beam your instantly a target.. sooo... lasers need a bit more power and some sort of help. Id rather the power be high at first and fade down as it gets hot. Technically a laser gun like that would function with more power at first. Heat sinks really are required for lasers.. heat build up is a major issue. Most highpower lasers without proper water cooling can only be on for about 10 seconds. But even energy is fresh and powerful at first.. then you drain the battery a bit after a few shots.
The laser gets stronger the longer you fire, far exceeding the power of an assault rifle, no damage mod needed |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2282
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:01:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:v3k3v wrote:I have the viziam also and pro 1 or 2 and I still think its UNDERpowered. I had to fit 10% damage mod to go against a AR guy. The fact a AR can take you out in 2 seconds You cant wait for the laser to ramp up power.
The viziam is good but much too costly. You cant loose 3 of them per match.. a duvolle AR is 50k isk.. a Viz is about 80k isnt it... go figure.
Given your painting a HEY IM OVER HERE line across the map with a laser beam your instantly a target.. sooo... lasers need a bit more power and some sort of help. Id rather the power be high at first and fade down as it gets hot. Technically a laser gun like that would function with more power at first. Heat sinks really are required for lasers.. heat build up is a major issue. Most highpower lasers without proper water cooling can only be on for about 10 seconds. But even energy is fresh and powerful at first.. then you drain the battery a bit after a few shots. The laser gets stronger the longer you fire, far exceeding the power of an assault rifle, no damage mod needed
hes talkin about how the initial buildup is low the AR guy can kill u if hes good before ur power ramps up enough |
MItt R0mney
Doomheim
58
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:03:00 -
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Encharrion wrote:I have been using the basic laser at laser skill 1, and I never overheat, ever. Has anyone else noticed that the overheat on these weapons is nearly pointless?
Ummm, the standard laser rifle does overheat. And when it does, you take damage from your own weapon. Only the Advanced and prototype weapons don't overheat. |
Kengfa Akcay
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:14:00 -
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.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:16:00 -
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Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game.
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The Viziam is the prototype laser, and is excellent. The STB blurf I will just disregard. |
Kengfa Akcay
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:27:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. ? The Viziam is the prototype laser, and is excellent. The STB blurf I will just disregard.
The advanced is 80% less than the prototype, and works just as good. |
Jak Teston
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:54:00 -
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I've been using the LR lately and had a lot of fun with it. Needs a lot of tactical planning, but works beautifully when it does. It has a seriously reduced effectiveness against armor, but most armor users, heavies, tend to just walk straight at you, because that's what you do when you have an HMG - against the LR that's not an ideal tactic because that makes headshots very easy. The ADS on the LR is just perfect for it's optimum range.
I'm afraid to skill up though. I don't want less heat - I want more heat. I can balance the LR nicely at 75% heat until it runs out of charge, so having any less heat buildup would just reduce my effectiveness. Is the ELM really better than the standard issue LR? |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:58:00 -
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Kengfa Akcay wrote:dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. ? The Viziam is the prototype laser, and is excellent. The STB blurf I will just disregard. The advanced is 80% less than the prototype, and works just as good.
Check the damage output, the prototype has the advantage. |
Kengfa Akcay
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:04:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. ? The Viziam is the prototype laser, and is excellent. The STB blurf I will just disregard. The advanced is 80% less than the prototype, and works just as good. Check the damage output, the prototype has the advantage.
That's a 5 damage difference, it isn't even noticeable. |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:07:00 -
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Kengfa Akcay wrote: That's a 5 damage difference, it isn't even noticeable.
I disagree, thats the base damage, and it ramps up from there. It would be nice if the proto laser was a little cheaper, but performance wise I do see a difference. |
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Dreylor Thunderfall
Conspiratus Immortalis
44
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Posted - 2012.11.28 20:12:00 -
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Kengfa Akcay wrote:dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:dent 308 wrote:Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. ? The Viziam is the prototype laser, and is excellent. The STB blurf I will just disregard. The advanced is 80% less than the prototype, and works just as good. Check the damage output, the prototype has the advantage. That's a 5 damage difference, it isn't even noticeable.
5 more damage on the LR is huge... standard and advanced do 15.. proto does 20 that's a 33% increase in damage.
I use the LR on a couple of my characters and I love em. Looking forward to some variants.
Also heat isn't what increases damage on the LR... time on does. So you will see more damage out of the ELM-7 and proto.
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SickJ
French unchained corporation
48
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Posted - 2012.11.28 20:18:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I always thought LRs were supposed to be utter rubbish against armour but time and again my heavy suit is ripped to bits in seconds. Armour damage from LRs seems too high.
I always assumed in my head that the LR works by heating whatever it's aimed at, so against armour it'll just heat up the suit until the guy inside gets broiled.
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.11.28 21:05:00 -
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On skirmish its ideal to get yourself on a nice position and simply do a area denial job. Nobody is stupid enough to go ahead on open terrain against a laser rifle. Hell ive once pitched up my tent on a hill, shot a few times to let every 1 know where i was and then i had 4 guys trying to assault me with assault rifles on medium-long range. I killed 3 off them and the 4th guy run away with like 10% armor left over. A nice strategy is aswell to get a good LAV, drive around till you found a target that is on a effective distance, jump out and start melting him. If somebody trys to flank you jump back into your LAV, get distance and shot the fool. The reason behind this is that the laser rifle is a inverted assault rifle in terms off range efficency. The longer the range the more effective it is. |
Cinnamon267
The Southern Legion
30
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Posted - 2012.11.28 21:32:00 -
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I use teh lazer beams :)
Really satifying to get someone into the optimal range and seeing both bars just vanish. |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
391
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Posted - 2012.11.29 05:26:00 -
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The LR is a really satisfying weapon to use. I usually pair it with a heavy suit so I can soak up enough damage to get my rifle hot. seems to work well enough for me. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2012.11.29 05:30:00 -
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Kengfa Akcay wrote:.....Why would you use the viziam laser rifle? Damn, STB is still as bad as when I actually played this game. You again? Just walk back under your bridge |
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