Why is team work only brought up when it comes to killing tanks? Why don't groups of tankers run together? you have the PG for the best shield and armor reppers in game and yet even after corps have been established you never see them used.

It blows my mind that high end Tanks need to hide behind cover when good AV is on the field. In a large battle enemy infantry should be an after thought or at the very most a nuisance that left unchallenged could end up killing you. the real chalenge for the tank will be other tanks and turrets large and small that will have the fire power and range needed to halt their advance.

I say we should reward an organized three man tank team with a truly powerful vehicle, but only when it has a competent three man team inside it.

It blows my mind that high end Tanks need to hide behind cover when good AV is on the field. In a large battle enemy infantry should be an after thought or at the very most a nuisance that left unchallenged could end up killing you. the real chalenge for the tank will be other tanks and turrets large and small that will have the fire power and range needed to halt their advance.

It blows my mind that high end Tanks need to hide behind cover when good AV is on the field. In a large battle enemy infantry should be an after thought or at the very most a nuisance that left unchallenged could end up killing you. the real chalenge for the tank will be other tanks and turrets large and small that will have the fire power and range needed to halt their advance.

stuff about current gameplay

I'm a tank specialist and I support separating the driver and main gunner. I think vehicle crews should pretty much be a squad unto themselves.

I wouldn't even need any gun if I could use both sticks to drive like an actual tank (one for each track). Plus then the commander would be needed for situational awareness and visibility, since the driver could only look forward.

I think tanks need a defense buff, though. Right now if they actually try to push into the front line they die pretty quickly, forcing them into the role of long-range sniping, from way behind the line. I want to be on the front lines, supporting infantry advances, not sniping from my base.

Only way is if pilot suits and maybe certain skill will help boost the tank, so just say the pilot suit offers like 5% bonus to something which helps the tank then 3 ppl all with pilot suits get in a tank then the tank get 15% of whatever it is. Lets also assume the pilot suit gets special mods which help to increase resistances/shield hp/recharge rate/armor resists/hp/turrets ROF/DPS/range etc so you can have 3 ppl in a tank all with different mods which would add bonuses to the tank and effectively make it stronger, as for the mods they would have stacking penalties across the enitre team so if 2 ppl have the same mods they would get a stacking penalty

I was talking about the way I think it should be, not the way it is right now.

Specifically, I think the following changes should be made to tanks...

* The driver should control the front machine gun, not the main gun, and have a narrower field of view
* The main gun should have a higher zoom level and a narrower field of view, and possibly turn slower
* The top turret should turn almost as fast as a heavy dropsuit and support a good anti-infantry weapon

Also, I think the main and top guns should (if manned) maintain their heading relative to the map rather than the tank, absent any control from the operator.

Restricting the view for the driver & gunner, while enhancing it for the top turret is intended to promote a "tank commander" role, with the commander issuing instructions for the driver and gunner.

Having the main gun zoomed in will also make it harder for it to be used against close targets, which in my view is a good thing. To compensate, there could be a 2 speed traverse option; fast traverse for swinging round towards the target, then slow traverse for accurate targeting of distant objects.

Sounds good to me.

Maybe the current HAVs should be kept, and a new, stronger category of HAV introduced that requires 3 players to operate.

If you did limit the driver's view I suggest adding a rear view he can switch to when backing up. Actually I would add that regardless.

So you want to gimp the driver by limiting his veiw and make him look constantly forward while having a pointless small turret to control

Gimp the main gun because its not like they are already slow as it is like the railgun is and also make it zoomed in so that targets upclose are next to impossible to hit because your turret takes an ice age to move, sure rely on the small guns to do something but lets be honest they are crap and useless

Yea not buying it if im the driver i need full view not a nerfed area to look at because AV have it so hard right now they need to nerf the tank and users even more

Its a bad idea and wouldnt make the tank tank require more teamwork it would require more driver skill to work with a gimped out tank and view and make it free points to any AV

If you did limit the driver's view I suggest adding a rear view he can switch to when backing up. Actually I would add that regardless.

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It blows my mind that high end Tanks need to hide behind cover when good AV is on the field. In a large battle enemy infantry should be an after thought or at the very most a nuisance that left unchallenged could end up killing you. the real chalenge for the tank will be other tanks and turrets large and small that will have the fire power and range needed to halt their advance.

Also, the driver/gunner/commander wouldn't even require that they redesign the models. They could allow the front-gunner to steer the tank with the L stick (he can only see in front of the tank), force the turret-gunner to be stuck in the R3-sight mode (he can't see behind the giant, slow turret), and put the commander up in the tiny turret on the top (he can quickly look all around the tank, and maybe they could even give him the panned-back view that the driver has in the current build).

Yep, we're gimping the driver, big time. The driver should be driving. The front machine gun is a bonus.

The reduced field of view will mean more teamwork required, because the driver will have to rely on the commander to get the big picture.

Yea its a no from me

I'm not massively surprised by that

Could you support this if the MTACS were introduced at the same time as this change, so that you still have your single-player mech-monster?

I dont want MTACs at all tbh

Gimmick cheap crap, we already have powered dropsuits and with the ammount of free LAVs take out a leg with it and its on its back for most of the game

One concern with this approach is whether it would be any fun for the tank drivers. The gunners obviously get to shoot stuff, and the tank commanders would have a lot to do, as well as being the primary anti-infantry element.

What could be done to make (just) tank driving more fun?

Let him drive OVER and crush LAVs flat.

That and shoot stuff in front with a small turret.

Point of clarity, the whole thread is proceeding with the assumption that there are specific and exclusive guns in every slot on a HAV, is the proposal also to eliminate the ability of players to customize their fittings?

That aside I've had a very different experience with HAVs that many in this thread. For instance the idea that only the main gun matters is profoundly foreign to me. The majority of HAVs I've run in were never deployed without at least one dedicated gunner established before deployment.

ISK is, ironically considering the content of this thread, the major limiting factor on HAVs and their use currently with a "driver takes all the risk" mentality being common place enough that frequently HAVs are left undeployed, or not redeployed, even in high stakes games because it's assumed that the driver assumes all cost risk associated with deploying the vehicle.

Making the driver run the front gun seems fine, and giving the top turret more fluid motion for a better rage of vision would be a positive. Generally speaking however I don't see the need for a number of the other changes proposed, under current conditions/ That being said I realize that many of them have been proposed based on presumptions that certain things are coming (pilot suits for example) so my current view on things isn't an out of hand dismissal of the ideas.

Sure it's frustrating to encounter 'rock' when you're running 'cissors' but that's what teamwork is for and it's a calculated risk, take that away and the game as a whole is diminished.

OHOHOH On a completely unrelated topic HAV note, lets remove those small turrets and seats so people cant sit in my HAV and I can have a beautiful Streamlined machine 8D

How about a simple "lock the doors" button?

well removing the seat and turrets would free up a good amount of CPU and PG, thats why I keep mentioning it, so I can just have like one main cannon and run around with that feeling a bit less weighed down by the price and by people dying with me incase they try to jump in because their about to die and its really annoying because I need people who dont just jump in because they want to save their lives and stuff.

Honestly Like If there more more single cannon tanks, people would have more skill because they could focus on themselves but they would be an big weaker,

like a 5% chop on damage resitance... would it make them OP

no not really because we have lots of broken swarms and forge gunners...


8D

OK. So the only thing you'll be happy with is the current tank setup, where you can be both driver and gunner on your own? And you insist that it should require multiple other players operating as a team to be competitive against you (as an individual)?

The only other available vehicles are rooted on transportation and teamwork, they SHOULD require teamwork to be used effectively in my opinion and at no point did English say all other vehicles need multiple people ro be effective

Sorry, I don't understand this comment at all. Could you clarify?

English snake didn't say only tanks should be able to be effectively able to use by one person and the only other vehicles in the game aren't comparable

OK. So the only thing you'll be happy with is the current tank setup, where you can be both driver and gunner on your own? And you insist that it should require multiple other players operating as a team to be competitive against you (as an individual)?

I dont want MTACs at all tbh

Gimmick cheap crap, we already have powered dropsuits and with the ammount of free LAVs take out a leg with it and its on its back for most of the game

not even implemented yet but gimmick? lol
MTACs would be a fun addition just like fighters and gunships

Its how the HAV is made atm

I need all the skills to fit it, even for my gunners i still need to get the small turret skills up just so i can fit the best turrets onto my tank, basically its the driver me who has to do everything as it is

In a game im looking for tanks/AV guys while driving around and activating mods and watching my back

If the HAV is split up so you have 1 driver and 3 gunners then all the skills have to change tbh because i wouldnt skill up any turret skills and tbh i shouldnt have to because im not going to be using them so ther has to be away for my gunners to be able to skill up to the gun/buy the gun then be able to give me the gun to fit onto the tank so they can use it

As a driver in most games i dont want a gun tbh because it distracts me mainly from watching my back and looking out for threats but i have one and i cant even take it off if i wanted to or give it to someone else

But as it is it does take teamwork to take out a tank or it should but i cant help it that its just me in a tank against 3ppl its how its made atm, as a driver/gunner i do more than 3ppl with forge guns who hold down R1 at a supply depot while i try to back up around cover firing and activating mods and hope to god that my turret being at a wrong angle doesnt put me into a wall or up a rock

Yep, and I'm proposing we change it.


It sounds like you would support a change that takes the main gun away from the driver then; the current proposal is to give the driver the front small turret instead.

I expect the skills would all change, so this would probably have to be done at the same time as a skills wipe.

That idea is even worse

Small turret is worse than the large, id rarther have no turret so i concentrate on driving

Could you simply not use it? It would be trivial to get rid of it, but then we'd have complaints from all the drivers who want a gun.

If its made for the driver it means no one else can use it so its a useless turret anyways in my tank

Would you suggest multiple HAV types then? Some with a small turret for the driver and some without? Or just that no HAV drivers have guns at all.

We should have multiple tanks, we dont have a choice tbh

Would it be a enough if you could simply leave the turret empty (no default weapon in it) as per your other thread?