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Fasjh
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.26 12:53:00 -
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Here's a little scenario for all you people hating on snipers...
2nd game last night, dropped in at the start of the fight, unusual enough in itself as I don't get much opportunity to put my speedy scout to it's best uses. So I sprint off and take two points, capping a supply depot and a few turrets on my way. Then I retire to a safe distance and prepare to watch one of the two points I've taken, a minute or two later and lil lonesome red dude comes to take my points over, he's using cover well and I have no clear shot. Red dude caps the point I'm watching and then retires to a hidey hole just around the corner waiting for the counter-cap team. Stupid blue sees the point get capped and wanders over, completely oblivious to red dot waiting to pounce. Mr Blue re-caps the point and steps away from the installation, at this point Mr Red decides it's do or die and emerges from his hidey hole to try and fill Mr Blue with hot plasma. Mr Blue nonchalantly strolls right across my line of fire right as I'm taking the shot, it must have passed within a few inches of his ear and neatly penetrates Mr Red, down in one, for a change. Mr Blue, still oblivious to the fact he just had a near death experience casually strolls off to find something else to do.
so, the moral of this story? You all have probably been saved at least once by "mr lonewolf sniper" and you didn't even realize.
I don't pad my K/D by sitting on a hill, most of the time I get assists as OSK'ing is nearly impossible these days with proto suits and what not.
Also, people should try sniping before complaining, these days it's like playing extreme range whack-a-mole with the demented witch from Chorlton and the Wheelies; dots be teleporting 5 feet that way and six feet this way, sometimes appearing curiously stationary when it's obvious they're not even there anymore....
I shot a guy in the foot, he died, full health, full shields, I shot him in the ankle and he died, what does that tell you about lag induced hit detection issues?
I'm not saying ALL snipers are useful, I've seen my fair share of redline campers and mountain pot-shotters, but you don't see many threads hating on assaults/heavies/logis. Give us a break, we save your kittens more often than you know. |
dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:06:00 -
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Your story, roughly translated - "I capped an objective, then ran off up a hill. A red came along and capped the objective I just capped. I couldnt shoot him. Blue came along and played the game and helped the team by recapping. By a fluke I managed to kill the red." |
Fasjh
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:09:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:Your story, roughly translated - "I capped an objective, then ran off up a hill. A red came along and capped the objective I just capped. I couldnt shoot him. Blue came along and played the game and helped the team by recapping. By a fluke I managed to kill the red."
haha, yeah, ok, whatever you say dude. you obviously know way more than I do. troll harder. |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
317
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:12:00 -
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dudeytron wrote:Your story, roughly translated - "I capped an objective, then ran off up a hill and then CAMPED the point. A red came along and capped the objective I just capped. I couldnt shoot him. Blue came along and played the game and helped the team by recapping. By a fluke I managed to kill the red."
Edited for more acurate scenario |
Fasjh
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:21:00 -
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Sir Meode wrote:dudeytron wrote:Your story, roughly translated - "I capped an objective, then ran off up a hill and then CAMPED the point. A red came along and capped the objective I just capped. I couldnt shoot him. Blue came along and played the game and helped the team by recapping. By a fluke I managed to kill the red." Edited for more acurate scenario
Bring on the hate... I stopped listening to most of the people on here when it became obvious that constructive criticism is like the virgin birth. |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
317
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:23:00 -
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If your looking for some love for Snipers you have come to the wrong place. |
Fasjh
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:27:00 -
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Sir Meode wrote:If your looking for some love for Snipers you have come to the wrong place.
obviously, my mistake, won't happen again. |
Reout Karaal
Doomheim
85
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:30:00 -
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Sir Meode wrote:If your looking for some love for Snipers you have come to the wrong place. Said the tank driver.
Red lines, red lines, whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you? |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:45:00 -
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Thing about snipers is.... they take no skill at all. I would know I've gotten tons of kills off the militia one, just rushing around, aiming in, and sniping headshots while crouched. No recoil, no sway when crouched, no distance drop. Way too easy. |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:30:00 -
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TLDR.
Probably some crap about you killed 3 people and won the game on your own.
CCP get rid of the idiot protector red line. Then we'll see how good snipers think they are. |
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Fasjh
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:30:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Thing about snipers is.... they take no skill at all. I would know I've gotten tons of kills off the militia one, just rushing around, aiming in, and sniping headshots while crouched. No recoil, no sway when crouched, no distance drop. Way too easy.
yeah, sure. sniping is soooo easy. just pull the trigger when the dot turns red.... except that in the 7 10ths of a second that it takes you to respond to the little dot turning red, lag has induced a margin for error. Hell, in that 7 10ths of a second I've seen people move 10ft! so yeah, sniping is uber-easy, skill-less, no one needs us...
GTFO. Troll harder guys. |
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI
402
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:34:00 -
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Fasjh wrote:Here's a little scenario for all you people hating on snipers...
2nd game last night, dropped in at the start of the fight, unusual enough in itself as I don't get much opportunity to put my speedy scout to it's best uses. So I sprint off and take two points, capping a supply depot and a few turrets on my way. Then I retire to a safe distance and prepare to watch one of the two points I've taken, a minute or two later and lil lonesome red dude comes to take my points over, he's using cover well and I have no clear shot. Red dude caps the point I'm watching and then retires to a hidey hole just around the corner waiting for the counter-cap team. Stupid blue sees the point get capped and wanders over, completely oblivious to red dot waiting to pounce. Mr Blue re-caps the point and steps away from the installation, at this point Mr Red decides it's do or die and emerges from his hidey hole to try and fill Mr Blue with hot plasma. Mr Blue nonchalantly strolls right across my line of fire right as I'm taking the shot, it must have passed within a few inches of his ear and neatly penetrates Mr Red, down in one, for a change. Mr Blue, still oblivious to the fact he just had a near death experience casually strolls off to find something else to do.
so, the moral of this story? You all have probably been saved at least once by "mr lonewolf sniper" and you didn't even realize.
I don't pad my K/D by sitting on a hill, most of the time I get assists as OSK'ing is nearly impossible these days with proto suits and what not.
Also, people should try sniping before complaining, these days it's like playing extreme range whack-a-mole with the demented witch from Chorlton and the Wheelies; dots be teleporting 5 feet that way and six feet this way, sometimes appearing curiously stationary when it's obvious they're not even there anymore....
I shot a guy in the foot, he died, full health, full shields, I shot him in the ankle and he died, what does that tell you about lag induced hit detection issues?
I'm not saying ALL snipers are useful, I've seen my fair share of redline campers and mountain pot-shotters, but you don't see many threads hating on assaults/heavies/logis. Give us a break, we save your kittens more often than you know.
My ALT has 45.3 KDR by just sniping.
Its easy, pathetic, and stupid when compared to everything other aspect of the game.
Snipers are the scum of the infantry. I might even rate a logi higher then a sniper |
Gunner Needed
The Southern Legion
111
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:36:00 -
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Sniping is a part of any combat, if your good enough do it, screw the haters. Who do you whiners think mark half the red dots on the field? |
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI
402
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:40:00 -
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Gunner Needed wrote:Sniping is a part of any combat, if your good enough do it, screw the haters. Who do you whiners think mark half the red dots on the field?
STFU up
Who do you think kills half the people on the field????
SNIPER=USELESS SNIPER=NOOB
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Gunner Needed
The Southern Legion
111
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:44:00 -
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ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote:[quote=Gunner Needed]Sniping is a part of any combat, if your good enough do it, screw the haters. Who do you whiners think mark half the red dots on the field?
STFU up
Who do you think kills half the people on the field????
not you homo |
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI
402
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:47:00 -
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Gunner Needed wrote:ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote:[quote=Gunner Needed]Sniping is a part of any combat, if your good enough do it, screw the haters. Who do you whiners think mark half the red dots on the field? STFU up Who do you think kills half the people on the field???? not you homo
LOL REDLINE SNIPER tries to fight with the INFANTRY 514 GOD |
Fasjh
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:48:00 -
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^^ ...and here is where the thread devolves into meaningless whining... screw you guys, I'm going home! |
dudeytron
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:56:00 -
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Fasjh wrote:^^ ...and here is where the thread devolves into meaningless whining... screw you guys, I'm going home!
Is your 'home' a tent on top of a mountain??? |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
391
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:52:00 -
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Fasjh wrote:^^ ...and here is where the thread devolves into meaningless whining... screw you guys, I'm going home!
What d'ya do, build a house in the red zone. ? . |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:22:00 -
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1 or 2 snipers are useful.
Any more than that right now is just stupid. |
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:31:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote: CCP get rid of the idiot protector red line. Then we'll see how good snipers think they are.
CCP: expand the maps like they are going to be and then hear their complaints...because redzone sniping will totally matter when the maps are 9 square kilometers (probably an exaggeration) <== Sarcasm! Pronounced:(sahr-caz-ZUUUUUUM) |
Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars
91
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:33:00 -
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Let the snipers snipe. Afterall, that's just more WPs for me capping objectives. Besides, when a sniper gets on your nerves, you can always snipe them back; that's what I do. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:38:00 -
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Nomed Deeps wrote:Let the snipers snipe. Afterall, that's just more WPs for me capping objectives. Besides, when a sniper gets on your nerves, you can always snipe them back; that's what I do. Gl capping objectives when you're lacking the manpower to attack any.
Why are you lacking the manpower? Because half of your team is sniping, while the other team gets to lay back and easily spread their team across all 4 objectives without any major losses. |
SickJ
French unchained corporation
48
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:45:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:1 or 2 snipers are useful.
Any more than that right now is just stupid.
I was gonna say something like that. You need a few snipers to keep the enemy from just walking all over the map, but if half the team is sniping, they'll just get some LAVs and blitz your ass. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:51:00 -
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Which is why snipers should specialize in more than 1 main weapon.
Back when I first joined the beta, I was a sniper. Because most of the time, the sniper job was taken up (or overdone), I started skilling into shotguns, and practicing what is actually very similar to sniping, only more up close and personal. |
Richard Sebire
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:31:00 -
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This or Zombies? Think about it... |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:38:00 -
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This thread reminds me of an episode of community, where the high school kids show up and start going "ah durrr!" at everything anyone says to them, actually that about describes the entire dust forums, pity i can't find a youtube clip for it. |
Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:12:00 -
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Fasjh wrote:Here's a little scenario for all you people hating on snipers...
I do not know if you are new to the FPS world or are a seasoned sniper but there has never been a game where the community openly embraced snipers. It is the stigmata of being a sniper, we will always get the "cheap and easy" kills and be the kings of camping. Either get use to the hate or pick up a assault rifle. I not trying to be a kitten about it but it is just the way it is. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:39:00 -
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Interesting story... but lets look a little closer...
Fasjh wrote:Here's a little scenario for all you people hating on snipers... Oh, this'll be good. Way to make a bad first impression...
Quote:2nd game last night, dropped in at the start of the fight, unusual enough in itself as I don't get much opportunity to put my speedy scout to it's best uses. So I sprint off and take two points, capping a supply depot and a few turrets on my way. Then I retire to a safe distance and prepare to watch one of the two points I've taken, Fair enough. Good approach. Start by taking objectives, and you're a sniper, so setting up at your preferred range is a good move. But now what?
Quote:a minute or two later and lil lonesome red dude comes to take my points over, he's using cover well and I have no clear shot. Red dude caps the point I'm watching and then retires to a hidey hole just around the corner waiting for the counter-cap team. So you're saying he sat on the objective, solo hacking it, and you'd "set up" in a position where you DIDN'T HAVE LINE OF SIGHT ON THE OBJECTIVE? This isn't the action of a good sniper. You need to find a better position if they can compete a hack without you having a line on them.
Quote:Stupid blue sees the point get capped and wanders over, completely oblivious to red dot waiting to pounce. And after the target has taken time to hide himself, you haven't repositioned to try and get a shot? Or at least MARK the target so your teammate knows the enemy's still in the area? Again, this is BAD sniper behaviour.
Quote:Mr Blue re-caps the point and steps away from the installation, at this point Mr Red decides it's do or die and emerges from his hidey hole to try and fill Mr Blue with hot plasma. Mr Blue nonchalantly strolls right across my line of fire right as I'm taking the shot, it must have passed within a few inches of his ear and neatly penetrates Mr Red, down in one, for a change. Mr Blue, still oblivious to the fact he just had a near death experience casually strolls off to find something else to do. But at least you took the shot and hit. If FF was on, though, would you have been confident enough to fire when there's a risk of hitting your teammate?
Want a REAL story for those who hate snipers? I've got plenty, from the perspective of someone on the ground relying on a sniper or two for fire support.
1. Enemy team has captured A and C on Manus Peak. Our team has a few people getting themselves spawn-camped at the MCC, and a few non-moronic players guarding B and trying to push for A. One of our teammates climbs up through the "safe" redzone and out beyond it to a high cliff/mountain perch where he has a good angle on A. He scopes in, so he can better spot enemies in the area, lighting the red dots up for the squad that's moving in on the position. For now, he holds fire, to avoid drawing attention to himself. When the friendlies move in, knowing the enemy position, and knowing that said enemies don't know THEIR position, they do so by spreading out, and hitting from multiple directions at once. As soon as the first shots are fired, the sniper joins in, picking off - or softening up - any targets that leave themselves exposed. What would have been a rout of the attackers without good intel has been turned into a victory thanks to a GOOD sniper.
2. I'm alone, behind enemy lines, with a good semi-ninja Shotgun Assault. I'm fragile, but hard to spot, and I manage to cram an Armour Repper on as well as a Profile Dampener. I've gone unnoticed getting behind enemy lines, but have had to expose myself to take out the enemy Forge Gunner so our HAV has a clear path. I've just spotted a guy with a Swarm Launcher, and am moving up behind him, when I see a flash of red on my minimap behind me. Before I have time to turn, the distinctive sound of a Sniper Rifle rings out, a kill is displayed, and the red dot vanishes. I'm now free to clear out that Swarm Guy, who things he's safe outside the sniper's line of sight. Without that sniper, he WOULD have been safe.
3. Moving down from B on Manus Peak, in another mission. I'm running a heavily shield-tanked Shotgun Assault, and I've seen (partly thanks to the Sniper) that there are several enemies moving towards us at the lower level behind the buildings. Seems like a good place for me to ambush them, so I get into position and wait. First enemy rounds the corner, and I one-shot the Assault suit. A Scout dashes out wide, too far for me to engage effectively. I switch to SMG - conveniently, this is the same weapon he's using, and I gun him down... but then... disaster. HMG fire. I'm up against a Heavy, with my Sidearm out. I rush for cover, and barely make it there without dying. I can't move out, because he's there and my shield's only started to regen, and I've got almost no armour left - although that's repairing too... slowly. I switch to my Shotgun and retreat, hoping I can lure the Heavy into chasing me around the building while I recover enough to fight back effectively. He turns the corner, and the first Sniper round slams into him. His shields are still down from my earlier SMG attack, so he loses a solid amount of armour from the shot. I quickly rush forward while the enemy's trying to figure out the sniper's position, and land SHotgun blast at point-blank, then another sniper round finishes him before he can return his attention to me.
THOSE are how good snipers work. Your story? Not so much. |
Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
108
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Posted - 2012.11.27 03:45:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:Fasjh wrote:Here's a little scenario for all you people hating on snipers...
I do not know if you are new to the FPS world or are a seasoned sniper but there has never been a game where the community openly embraced snipers. It is the stigmata of being a sniper, we will always get the "cheap and easy" kills and be the kings of camping. Either get use to the hate or pick up a assault rifle. I not trying to be a kitten about it but it is just the way it is.
ArmA and ArmA2 Those are the games where a sniper (or more accurately designated marksman) can be very helpful and needed. But, that's about the only game I have played where they can make a difference. Mainly because you cant just spawn out of thin air near everyone, unless the map maker did a crappy job.
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