DUST Search - Contracts only for elite corp??

Free Beers wrote:

AMARRKIS wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

As well as the point Free Bears made, there's also another issue.

"We'll pay you 5 million ISK to defend Planet X"
"Sorry, we've already been hired to invade it"

Who are you going to hire to defend your assets when the best you know are already on the other side?

"We'll pay you 2 milliion ISK to invade Planet Y"
"Sorry, we'd need at least 10 million to cover expenses on that fight"

Who do you hire when you have a limited price range to work with?

1. I would believe that ppl in EvE would most likely after they'll used a corp for so long would stay with that corp so im pretty sure that many for with be with different EvE groups. Also If a corp thats not so good were to be paired with a supa rich EvE group, they could potentially be the strongest based on there weaponry they have.

2. I would also wonder if EvE players can hire multiple corps to do a single contract. So lets say like you said that one was limited on the amount of money they had. One could possibly hire multiple corps to carry out a contract giving them more overwhelming numbers that the defenders.

1) isk matters but isn't deciding factor

2) contract could be to attack/defend planet or attack/defend a district but either way the player numbers will be same on both sides. Example if ccp goal is 32 v 32 battle you get 1 contract to attack and 1 to defend thats it. it wont be 32 v 96 if 3 corps accept the defend contract.

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Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.11.25 05:05:00 - [1] - Quote Was watching a David Reid interview about eve corps issuing contracts and I started thinking.....eve corps will choose who they want to issue contracts. And I'm thinking why would I (if I'm an eve corp) issue a contract to the second best corp or below. If you want a job done, you will contract those you know are certain to get it done. So what will happen to a nub corp that wants to fight for contracts? No eve corp may issue them a contract. How will this work? Will they be forced to play just random games? Or, will there be contracts up for grabs by anyone? I'm interested to see how all of this will play out after release but I can't help but to think that a corp with a WLR of .5 will not have anything to do.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2012.11.25 05:06:00 - [2] - Quote I want to know too.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.25 05:09:00 - [3] - Quote Pretty sure there was mention of at least 2 different types of contract, (maybe 3) similar to the Contract system already in EVE... 'Public' Can be acceppted by anyone. 'Private' Can only be accepted by set Corp / Person 'Corporation / Alliance' Can only be accepted internally by Alliance or Corporation Members.
Wafflelauncher Onslaught Inc 29	Posted - 2012.11.25 05:16:00 - [4] - Quote there'll probably be public contracts any corp can accept, and i would expect the option of putting in a collateral that the accepting corp would have to pay, and lose if they lose the fight.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.11.25 05:17:00 - [5] - Quote There will be the issues of prices and logistics. I mean, they'll be able to afford hundreds of us fighting with ease, send the best corps and their players to spearhead an attack on a Planet, and then get other, weaker, corps to fight and supplement the stronger corps.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.11.25 05:17:00 - [6] - Quote Who knows how any of it will work. How often will contracts come up? How will issuing contracts be handled? I guess the bottom line is that, in a game like Dust, the "best" corps won't necessarily be the biggest. A corp that has 300 people in it can still only put 16 of them into a fight. So the "best" corps may only be available for one contract at a time. And there are a whole lot of planets in nullsec.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.11.25 05:17:00 - [7] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Was watching a David Reid interview about eve corps issuing contracts and I started thinking.....eve corps will choose who they want to issue contracts. And I'm thinking why would I (if I'm an eve corp) issue a contract to the second best corp or below. If you want a job done, you will contract those you know are certain to get it done. So what will happen to a nub corp that wants to fight for contracts? No eve corp may issue them a contract. How will this work? Will they be forced to play just random games? Or, will there be contracts up for grabs by anyone? I'm interested to see how all of this will play out after release but I can't help but to think that a corp with a WLR of .5 will not have anything to do. there will be NPC issued contracts pretty much what we have now is NPC issued contracts so that will be there in FW for, nub corps as u put it, to use also for nullsec it will be much different stats alone wont get u a contract, size as well matters + alliances will matter u wont hire a small corp of 16 to go take a planet so the EVE corp will either have to contract a big skilled DUST alliance or hire the individual skilled corps they want and direct them on exactly what they want each corp to focus on
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1032	Posted - 2012.11.25 06:37:00 - [8] - Quote there are 7k temperate planets in dust and a good portion of them will be up for conquest on a daily basis. Not to mention tuesday night is Mavado's and I bowling night so fat chance our corps will be taking or defending districts then. That should give other corps a chance to shine. So i bacially spared you the 40 page indepth analysis and gave you a joke instead. I hope you get my point (which is even the imprfercs can't be in all districts on all planets at I time)
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.11.25 07:44:00 - [9] - Quote Free Beers wrote: there are 7k temperate planets in dust and a good portion of them will be up for conquest on a daily basis. Not to mention tuesday night is Mavado's and I bowling night so fat chance our corps will be taking or defending districts then. That should give other corps a chance to shine. So i bacially spared you the 40 page indepth analysis and gave you a joke instead. I hope you get my point (which is even the imprfercs can't be in all districts on all planets at I time) ^ This. See, you need to think about the scale we'll be playing at. You'll have the best players, very skilled but not very numerous. Chances are, they'll be expensive and they'll be used for the best planets. Think of it like this. A good DUST Corporation may have 10-100 members. Now, I'm pretty sure we're gonna have larger battles over districts than this current 16 players. Let's say we have 32 a side for a District Fight. If a Good Corporation has the max of the above (100 Players), They'll be able to fight for 3 Districts and have 4 guys left over to fight for another. If theres say, 8 Districts on a planet, this one single good Corporation isn't gonna be able to cut it by itself. Many Corporations might not be the best, but they will serve heavily as reinforcements. You then have to remember, TIMEZONES. A major part in any MMO with major PVP is timezones. 100 man corp will not be able to stay on defending 8 districts by themselves 24/7. Other corps will receive contracts to defend districts and hold areas. Every DUST player will have their chance to participate in New Eden, but you will have to accept you might not be chosen to be the main fighting force.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.25 08:03:00 - [10] - Quote As well as the point Free Bears made, there's also another issue. "We'll pay you 5 million ISK to defend Planet X" "Sorry, we've already been hired to invade it" Who are you going to hire to defend your assets when the best you know are already on the other side? "We'll pay you 2 milliion ISK to invade Planet Y" "Sorry, we'd need at least 10 million to cover expenses on that fight" Who do you hire when you have a limited price range to work with?

Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.11.25 10:36:00 - [11] - Quote Some eve battles had player counts in thousands, a alliance may want multiple planets attacked at once at a planned time. Districts will have multiple maps, and planets multiple districts. So, a alliance that wants to swarm 5 systems with 3 dust attack-able planets each, each with 10 districts each with 10 maps would need 24000 dust players. This would rarely happen, but some of the big eve alliances could afford it. They may do it this way to rapidly take systems from a eve alliance with limited dust support, that tried to rely on elite corp that can't cover all 1500 maps by itself. Defender then puts up lots of lucrative public contracts to try to get support for it's outnumbered elite corps on retainer. Faction war contracts will be easiler to get then nullsec, since many will be npc issued.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.11.25 11:11:00 - [12] - Quote Ok good perspectives then.....seems like eve corps may have to settle sometime. And I didn't even think that contracts would be negotiable. Was under the impression that eve corps will just put it out and corps will just go to a screen and select them or the eve corp will just send a contract directly to a corp
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.25 11:12:00 - [13] - Quote You're also discounting the fact that CCP has said we will likely have the opportunity to attack planets / districts of our own accord. Not solely at the behest of EVE Corporations. Planetary Sovereignty will beocme a factor in where we chose to fight. You wont, for instance, take a contract to invade and hand over a district you already own. (Well some will, but it will be a pure diplomatic decision virtually getting 'paid' for the land.) This also open the door for... 'off-the-books' invasions. Not contracts, but allied contracts not bound by game rules... involving pure ISK transfers. So the 'best' may not be 'contracted' to invade a planet, but being paid by a corp to attack it of their own accord, then 'sell' it to the corp that asked for the attack. Thus ensuring that the invasion force can a) get paid for delivering land, and b) the actual orchestrator of the attack will remain unknown until after the hand-over.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.11.25 13:15:00 - [14] - Quote Free Beers wrote: there are 7k temperate planets in dust and a good portion of them will be up for conquest on a daily basis. Not to mention tuesday night is Mavado's and I bowling night so fat chance our corps will be taking or defending districts then. That should give other corps a chance to shine. So i bacially spared you the 40 page indepth analysis and gave you a joke instead. I hope you get my point (which is even the imprfercs can't be in all districts on all planets at I time) awwwwwwwww yeaaaaaaa bowling night but yea beers is right and this is why u'll need alliances wont prob need them at launch since its only FW (altho its good to get one goin or get into one early imo) and we cant really conquer planets for ourselves yet
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.11.25 13:16:00 - [15] - Quote Free Beers wrote: there are 7k temperate planets in dust and a good portion of them will be up for conquest on a daily basis. This is a pretty big assumption.
R F Gyro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 315	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:06:00 - [16] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: And I'm thinking why would I (if I'm an eve corp) issue a contract to the second best corp or below. Define "best":- Highest KDR? Highest win/loss ratio? Most wins overall? Best all-timezone coverage? Highest kill/ISK ratio? Corp that has delivered most consistently for you before? Most highly recommended by people you trust?
R F Gyro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 315	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:08:00 - [17] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I'm interested to see how all of this will play out after release but I can't help but to think that a corp with a WLR of .5 will not have anything to do. They'll join faction warfare probably, then either get better or fall apart.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1032	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:09:00 - [18] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Free Beers wrote: there are 7k temperate planets in dust and a good portion of them will be up for conquest on a daily basis. This is a pretty big assumption. Techniacally no, realistically you are correct. My point was show the shear amount of battles available.
AMARRKIS BetaMax. 71	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:17:00 - [19] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: As well as the point Free Bears made, there's also another issue. "We'll pay you 5 million ISK to defend Planet X" "Sorry, we've already been hired to invade it" Who are you going to hire to defend your assets when the best you know are already on the other side? "We'll pay you 2 milliion ISK to invade Planet Y" "Sorry, we'd need at least 10 million to cover expenses on that fight" Who do you hire when you have a limited price range to work with? 1. I would believe that ppl in EvE would most likely after they'll used a corp for so long would stay with that corp so im pretty sure that many for with be with different EvE groups. Also If a corp thats not so good were to be paired with a supa rich EvE group, they could potentially be the strongest based on there weaponry they have. 2. I would also wonder if EvE players can hire multiple corps to do a single contract. So lets say like you said that one was limited on the amount of money they had. One could possibly hire multiple corps to carry out a contract giving them more overwhelming numbers that the defenders.
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI 402	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:21:00 - [20] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: And I'm thinking why would I (if I'm an eve corp) issue a contract to the second best corp or below. Define "best":- Highest KDR? Highest win/loss ratio? Most wins overall? Best all-timezone coverage? Highest kill/ISK ratio? Corp that has delivered most consistently for you before? Most highly recommended by people you trust? BEST= HIGHEST KDR KDR>EVERYTHING

Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1032	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:25:00 - [21] - Quote AMARRKIS wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: As well as the point Free Bears made, there's also another issue. "We'll pay you 5 million ISK to defend Planet X" "Sorry, we've already been hired to invade it" Who are you going to hire to defend your assets when the best you know are already on the other side? "We'll pay you 2 milliion ISK to invade Planet Y" "Sorry, we'd need at least 10 million to cover expenses on that fight" Who do you hire when you have a limited price range to work with? 1. I would believe that ppl in EvE would most likely after they'll used a corp for so long would stay with that corp so im pretty sure that many for with be with different EvE groups. Also If a corp thats not so good were to be paired with a supa rich EvE group, they could potentially be the strongest based on there weaponry they have. 2. I would also wonder if EvE players can hire multiple corps to do a single contract. So lets say like you said that one was limited on the amount of money they had. One could possibly hire multiple corps to carry out a contract giving them more overwhelming numbers that the defenders. 1) isk matters but isn't deciding factor 2) contract could be to attack/defend planet or attack/defend a district but either way the player numbers will be same on both sides. Example if ccp goal is 32 v 32 battle you get 1 contract to attack and 1 to defend thats it. it wont be 32 v 96 if 3 corps accept the defend contract.
AMARRKIS BetaMax. 71	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:59:00 - [22] - Quote Free Beers wrote: AMARRKIS wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: As well as the point Free Bears made, there's also another issue. "We'll pay you 5 million ISK to defend Planet X" "Sorry, we've already been hired to invade it" Who are you going to hire to defend your assets when the best you know are already on the other side? "We'll pay you 2 milliion ISK to invade Planet Y" "Sorry, we'd need at least 10 million to cover expenses on that fight" Who do you hire when you have a limited price range to work with? 1. I would believe that ppl in EvE would most likely after they'll used a corp for so long would stay with that corp so im pretty sure that many for with be with different EvE groups. Also If a corp thats not so good were to be paired with a supa rich EvE group, they could potentially be the strongest based on there weaponry they have. 2. I would also wonder if EvE players can hire multiple corps to do a single contract. So lets say like you said that one was limited on the amount of money they had. One could possibly hire multiple corps to carry out a contract giving them more overwhelming numbers that the defenders. 1) isk matters but isn't deciding factor 2) contract could be to attack/defend planet or attack/defend a district but either way the player numbers will be same on both sides. Example if ccp goal is 32 v 32 battle you get 1 contract to attack and 1 to defend thats it. it wont be 32 v 96 if 3 corps accept the defend contract. 1) Yes I know but i was stating that it could be a factor that could majorly sway the battle. 2) Not really if there are not enough ppl online at the time then numbers could be un even. So if one corp only had 10 ppl online at the time but the other 2-3 corp that where hired had enough together to get 32 the it could very well be un even if CCP allows multiple corp to accept one contract.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.25 18:58:00 - [23] - Quote It'll probably be a "best they can afford" deal. elite crops will be hired by elite corps, while baby corps will be hired by baby corps because they can't afford a massive price tag.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.11.25 20:35:00 - [24] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: And I'm thinking why would I (if I'm an eve corp) issue a contract to the second best corp or below. Define "best":- Highest KDR? Highest win/loss ratio? Most wins overall? Best all-timezone coverage? Highest kill/ISK ratio? Corp that has delivered most consistently for you before? Most highly recommended by people you trust? Corp most likely to deliver, I guess. Although KDR and WLR may be affected by certain situations and does not mean everything, you may not consider a corp with average KDR and WLR of .3 to be "best"
R F Gyro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 315	Posted - 2012.11.25 21:03:00 - [25] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Corp most likely to deliver, I guess. Although KDR and WLR may be affected by certain situations and does not mean everything, you may not consider a corp with average KDR and WLR of .3 to be "best" Sorry, I wasn't actually asking you to pick one. I was pointing out that there won't be an easy definition of "best", and that a lot of it will be situational anyway. Every Eve corp will have their own definition of "best" so there will be plenty of room to carve out a niche.
Zygloroxicon 2	Posted - 2012.11.25 21:10:00 - [26] - Quote I saw on the leaderboards that Zion TCD, Imperfects, and Seraphim Initiative are the top three, am I correct in assuming they are among the "best" corps.
EternalRMG ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.25 22:00:00 - [27] - Quote i think that the best corps will ask for way more money than the low lvl ones
Omnipotens Zitro Doomheim 425	Posted - 2012.11.25 22:05:00 - [28] - Quote Okay guys, you all have to realize that 0.0 won't come for at least another 1.5 years. Pretty long time. Another problem that nobody realizes either is the battle system. In EVE you can attack multiple locations all at once because its all on the same server and you can get anywhere with no problem. You just need the numbers to do so. In Dust it will be based on Contracts. The battles will not be instantaneous because of how the battle system will work. Hey, yeah you can have the numbers to take all the districts at once. Will it happen no. Because most of your forces will be waiting for your opponent to accept the defend contract stating that their forces are ready for battle. I highly bet that there will be a 3 hour plus reinforcement timer for districts. So that small corp that controls the whole planet can effectively defend it without needing the numbers to defend all of them at once. All they have to do is play one game at a time. With a 3 hour plus reinforcement timer, a great corp can go through 15 districts in no time and defend it well because they are facing the same opponent over and over. The problem with bigger corps will be when they start the attack process with multiple districts, they will be at the biggest disadvantage. Because they will need there players on standby while the defending corp can choose what district to defend at a time. They could hire another corp with the numbers to defend all the targets at once and surprise your huge corp if it wasn't in fact ready to do all the battles at once. Most likely be a 10min notice for the attacking team that the defenders are ready. Corps with big numbers will be in a bit of a surprise when FW and Null come around as numbers will not matter. CCP has stated that FW and Null will cater to smaller corps. The smaller more efficient Corps will be a lot more power than the corps with 300 plus members. Skill>Numbers You can have 300 average players, but those 50 highly skilled players will be able to win every single battle. You can have 300 members but you can't fit 300 players into 16,24,32 match.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2012.11.25 23:09:00 - [29] - Quote ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: And I'm thinking why would I (if I'm an eve corp) issue a contract to the second best corp or below. Define "best":- Highest KDR? Highest win/loss ratio? Most wins overall? Best all-timezone coverage? Highest kill/ISK ratio? Corp that has delivered most consistently for you before? Most highly recommended by people you trust? BEST= HIGHEST KDR KDR>EVERYTHING Wrong. Even if one corp has the highest KDR...it will count for nothing if they always lose in the end by not completing their objectives that are set out. If they spend their time sniping and working on their K/D and not taking over the areas they are contracted to take. Then they will get a bad rep. And no one will hire them. They'd be stuck doing random matches in high sec.
Sandromin Hes Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 204	Posted - 2012.11.25 23:17:00 - [30] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Was watching a David Reid interview about eve corps issuing contracts and I started thinking.....eve corps will choose who they want to issue contracts. And I'm thinking why would I (if I'm an eve corp) issue a contract to the second best corp or below. If you want a job done, you will contract those you know are certain to get it done. So what will happen to a nub corp that wants to fight for contracts? No eve corp may issue them a contract. How will this work? Will they be forced to play just random games? Or, will there be contracts up for grabs by anyone? I'm interested to see how all of this will play out after release but I can't help but to think that a corp with a WLR of .5 will not have anything to do. Its all about the money. Smaller EvE corps hire smaller Dust corps. Its not like a tiny corp can afford the Imperfects, eh?



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