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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:19:00 -
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Hello, I have a CRU on my dropship and in no time at all, a full dropship. Now, I was flew over just about everything, and the enemy had all the NULLs, but not a single person dropped out of my ship! I don't know if it's because you are lazy, or just don't know any better, but you can use something called an INERTIA DAMPENER!
Get out of my flying brick next time, I'm not going to land. |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
373
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:30:00 -
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+1 Good Guy Dropship Pilot.
But seriously....get the hell out of his dropship... |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:37:00 -
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Oh I must agree we are drop ships again now use us that way I am not flying this thing around for the kill assists. lol
and OP I got a thread about which hip is now better I you could go check it out and post. Would love some pilots info. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:39:00 -
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Jumping isn't as great or easy as you might be led to believe. (Let me first state that I jump out of dropships whenever convenient.)
The first difficulty is figuring out where you are and whether or not you want to jump. You can't really see and nothing helps for that (unless the doors on the dropship pop open- then I can see)
After that, you still aren't sure where you'll land because of a little thing called momentum. Once I was flung out at a wide angle directly in front of a red LAV. Funfun. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:53:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Jumping isn't as great or easy as you might be led to believe. (Let me first state that I jump out of dropships whenever convenient.)
The first difficulty is figuring out where you are and whether or not you want to jump. You can't really see and nothing helps for that (unless the doors on the dropship pop open- then I can see)
After that, you still aren't sure where you'll land because of a little thing called momentum. Once I was flung out at a wide angle directly in front of a red LAV. Funfun.
You brought up a good point but I do believe there is a solution: Map
You can't do anything sitting inside a dropship, so you do have the ability to safely access your map. There, you can do whatever; See where you are going, predict a path based on flight pattern, or at least give squad orders before you jump.
Of course, you would have to plan ahead and decide when to close you map, and prepare to jump. I do understand where you are coming from though. |
Vassteel Rydex
Double-Down Industry Transmission Lost
12
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:55:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Jumping isn't as great or easy as you might be led to believe. (Let me first state that I jump out of dropships whenever convenient.)
The first difficulty is figuring out where you are and whether or not you want to jump. You can't really see and nothing helps for that (unless the doors on the dropship pop open- then I can see)
After that, you still aren't sure where you'll land because of a little thing called momentum. Once I was flung out at a wide angle directly in front of a red LAV. Funfun.
dont be a ***** gtfo his drop ship and fight |
Ubuu de Reide
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
31
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:14:00 -
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I'm sure if your flight patterns were a bit less erratic, you would find people plunging more frequently.
Do you hover over highly contested areas or stay in high, largely irrelevant areas of the map - for fear of losing your ship? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:15:00 -
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Vassteel Rydex wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Jumping isn't as great or easy as you might be led to believe. (Let me first state that I jump out of dropships whenever convenient.)
The first difficulty is figuring out where you are and whether or not you want to jump. You can't really see and nothing helps for that (unless the doors on the dropship pop open- then I can see)
After that, you still aren't sure where you'll land because of a little thing called momentum. Once I was flung out at a wide angle directly in front of a red LAV. Funfun. dont be a ***** gtfo his drop ship and fight Every time I was on a dropship with both gunner spots filled this build, I jumped within a minute of spawning.
Then soon after, it becomes impossible to use that dropship as a transport because there are 4 people sitting there farming assists.
What works out even more nicely for us is that when someone shoots the dropship on our team down, they get at least 4 kills because the blueberries still won't jump. |
Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
82
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:53:00 -
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I have used the dropships as transports for taking letters quite a few times. I would love them to work well in that role, but right now, they don't.
Apart from the problems people have pointed above, dropships face 2 other very important problems when trying to act as attack transports:
1. The small size of the squads.
2. Related to 1, if the passengers are randoms, the other problem is the inability of the pilot to talk or signal in any way to those passengers when to jump. The intersquad coms system is still to clumsy and underdeveloped to allow any fast communications between different squads.
And this is a big problem, since the only person that really know when is the right moment to jump is the pilot.
Those problems don't exist in corp battles, but are very big obstacles in pub matches. If your squad is good enough you can get away with it. I mean, I know that if I drop Ofelia GAC and a couple of others heavies in a letter, they will probably take it. But most of the times my squad won't be enough to take a letter against 2 vs 1 odds or so.
Even worst, if you use a CRU to get randoms in your dropship, you'll probably end scattering your team all over the place. Since they can't talk to you, and probably they can't even talk between themselves, they wont coordinate and will jump one by one in different places, so they will end being isolated, disoriented and easy prey.
So right now, if you want to use your dropship as a transport in pub matches, do it only if you can communicate with your squad, and don't equip a CRU. Otherwise, I think you are damaging your team more than helping it.
Corp matches are a completely different story, of course.
Possible solutions could be either of the following:
1. Bigger squads. (My favourite )
2. A button to forcefully eject your passengers. Probably not because the potential for griefing is so great. (Hot drop in the red zone )
3. A message or/and a light that all the passengers could see/hear when they are in the dropship. Like when the pilot pressed square, that made green lights start flashing in the cabin while a loud voice can be heard saying "JUMP!, JUMP!, JUMP!" |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:36:00 -
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Ubuu de Reide wrote:I'm sure if your flight patterns were a bit less erratic, you would find people plunging more frequently.
Do you hover over highly contested areas or stay in high, largely irrelevant areas of the map - for fear of losing your ship?
Nope, I flew in ovals over the map a few times before taking a final swarm hit, I assume they were farming WP, and to the second part, hovering is the worst idea, but I did fly over many objectives (but it was line harvest so half of them were covered by the big metal roof)
Also I was flying a practice militia, I wasn't too concerned over losing it |
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Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.11.24 01:06:00 -
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The dropship is now the laughing stock of the battle field, no guns to defend it with and now trying to use it for its intended purposes is a bigger joke.
I have the same problems with randoms not jumping out, ill give it to them that they have no idea where we are in the sky but the two people on my starter blared turrets should finally figure out that I'm not slowing down to hover, so that all the swarms can crash into me at once.
So I fly around the map with the viper and cru which only cost 86,000 isk and I'm completely useless, I haven't even thought about fielding a Myron cause why should I waste the isk. So I fly around attracting swarms trying to learn there new tracking system until they fix the DSs again. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.24 01:24:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:The dropship is now the laughing stock of the battle field, no guns to defend it with and now trying to use it for its intended purposes is a bigger joke.
I have the same problems with randoms not jumping out, ill give it to them that they have no idea where we are in the sky but the two people on my starter blared turrets should finally figure out that I'm not slowing down to hover, so that all the swarms can crash into me at once.
So I fly around the map with the viper and cru which only cost 86,000 isk and I'm completely useless, I haven't even thought about fielding a Myron cause why should I waste the isk. So I fly around attracting swarms trying to learn there new tracking system until they fix the DSs again. They can defend themselves just fine. I was firing at one with a prototype small railgun (barely dented the shields) and it killed me very quickly. |
exegr
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.11.24 03:02:00 -
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Next time this happens, fly out to the ground red zone and land, wait until at least one bluedot has exited and take off. Repeat until they learn their lesson. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.24 03:26:00 -
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I just put together 5 militia vipers with a cru, about to try out shuttling people. If i get riders just hanging around I will fly us all into the redzone and crash into mountain.. let this be known :p |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
968
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:39:00 -
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I mentioned in the feedback section that with the great missle turret nerf a dropship's guns are now its secondary weapon. The primary weapon is an orgainized squad of infantry. Unfortunately this amunition does not currently exist in public matches, rendering the dropship without a main weapon.
We have at most a squad of four, so with one pilot that leaves three to attempt to take an objective. That might work for lightly defended objectives, but a simple LAV would do in that case. We either need squads of seven or more, or to allow two corp squads to link into a match together.
I'll go further and suggest that the "magazine size" may need to be increased to eight in order to have six jumpers and two door gunners. Modern transport helicopters can carry double that number so it isn't asking too much. |
Gunthar Bundar
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:48:00 -
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Hate to bring up battlefield right now, but why not set it up so that anyone on the team can spawn inside the dropships just like battlefied? Also, eventually people are going to realize that staying inside the dropship is a death sentence, and then they'll start dropping out like they should.
If they are worried about balance, why not make the whole team CRU's require an advanced skill? That way you can still do squad only drops, or skill up and drop the whole team. |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
485
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:59:00 -
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Gunthar Bundar wrote:Hate to bring up battlefield right now, but why not set it up so that anyone on the team can spawn inside the dropships just like battlefied? Also, eventually people are going to realize that staying inside the dropship is a death sentence, and then they'll start dropping out like they should.
If they are worried about balance, why not make the whole team CRU's require an advanced skill? That way you can still do squad only drops, or skill up and drop the whole team.
This is a good Idea. |
Governor Odius
Doomheim
177
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:01:00 -
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The whole team can use the mCRU. |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
319
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:26:00 -
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They really need an eject button for the pilot. Hit the eject button and non-pilot non-gunners get chucked out.
(Please give the pilot a landing icon so they know exactly where people drop and disallow its use if they are ejected into the redzone.) |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:00:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:The dropship is now the laughing stock of the battle field, no guns to defend it with and now trying to use it for its intended purposes is a bigger joke.
I have the same problems with randoms not jumping out, ill give it to them that they have no idea where we are in the sky but the two people on my starter blared turrets should finally figure out that I'm not slowing down to hover, so that all the swarms can crash into me at once.
So I fly around the map with the viper and cru which only cost 86,000 isk and I'm completely useless, I haven't even thought about fielding a Myron cause why should I waste the isk. So I fly around attracting swarms trying to learn there new tracking system until they fix the DSs again. They can defend themselves just fine. I was firing at one with a prototype small railgun (barely dented the shields) and it killed me very quickly.
Any decent AV guy has nothing to worry about from DSs this build, if you die from a dropship you are a scrub, you're standing still or are pretty much dead and just so happens that the DS got you and not some other thing.
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Snips 235
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:42:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:I have used the dropships as transports for taking letters quite a few times. I would love them to work well in that role, but right now, they don't. Apart from the problems people have pointed above, dropships face 2 other very important problems when trying to act as attack transports: 1. The small size of the squads.2. Related to 1, if the passengers are randoms, the other problem is the inability of the pilot to talk or signal in any way to those passengers when to jump. The intersquad coms system is still to clumsy and underdeveloped to allow any fast communications between different squads. And this is a big problem, since the only person that really know when is the right moment to jump is the pilot. Those problems don't exist in corp battles, but are very big obstacles in pub matches. If your squad is good enough you can get away with it. I mean, I know that if I drop Ofelia GAC and a couple of others heavies in a letter, they will probably take it. But most of the times my squad won't be enough to take a letter against 2 vs 1 odds or so. Even worst, if you use a CRU to get randoms in your dropship, you'll probably end scattering your team all over the place. Since they can't talk to you, and probably they can't even talk between themselves, they wont coordinate and will jump one by one in different places, so they will end being isolated, disoriented and easy prey. So right now, if you want to use your dropship as a transport in pub matches, do it only if you can communicate with your squad, and don't equip a CRU. Otherwise, I think you are damaging your team more than helping it. Corp matches are a completely different story, of course. Possible solutions could be either of the following: 1. Bigger squads. (My favourite ) 2. A button to forcefully eject your passengers. Probably not because the potential for griefing is so great. (Hot drop in the red zone ) 3. A message or/and a light that all the passengers could see/hear when they are in the dropship. Like when the pilot pressed square, that made green lights start flashing in the cabin while a loud voice can be heard saying "JUMP!, JUMP!, JUMP!"
Actually when i was first playing this game, the few times i did fly in drop ships, there was a huge amount of confusion. I would suggest having a third person camera view if you are just a normal passenger and first person camera view if you are a gunner. That way the passengers can get a clearer sight of when or when not to jump. The button ejection idea could be a huge troll though.
Another idea could be as you said the green light to let them go but a twist would be for those who just sit on your ship and jump off like an hour later, is the inertia dampener weakener |
Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
82
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Posted - 2012.11.24 12:06:00 -
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Actually a third person camera view for passengers is a great idea, +1. But I think CCP has not included that on purpose, so that passengers feel like the cargo they are :P
But it still wouldn't resolve the problem of how can you coordinate people that can't talk to each other so they disembark at the same time. |
MORTADEL0
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
45
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Posted - 2012.11.24 14:09:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Possible solutions could be either of the following: 1. Bigger squads. (My favourite ) 2. A button to forcefully eject your passengers. Probably not because the potential for griefing is so great. (Hot drop in the red zone ) 3. A message or/and a light that all the passengers could see/hear when they are in the dropship. Like when the pilot pressed square, that made green lights start flashing in the cabin while a loud voice can be heard saying "JUMP!, JUMP!, JUMP!"
+1
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.24 17:09:00 -
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Governor Odius wrote:The whole team can use the mCRU. Just remember they only work when someone is piloting it. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:54:00 -
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I want dropship pilots to be given the option to boot out mercs from the cabin. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:02:00 -
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Another good use for proxy chat! Can tell all passengers when to drop with proxy chat. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:24:00 -
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Better yet: press square to open up the doors on the ship. The passengers will be able to see where they are, get the hint that it's the signal to drop, and if they don't drop- they're now vulnerable to people who start firing at the ship. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2013.01.08 21:39:00 -
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Bump
Some NPC mercs decided to sit in my Prometheus and never get out....in an ambush map.
Seriously
Drop out of my ship |
Chibi Andy
Celtic Anarchy
38
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Posted - 2013.01.08 21:43:00 -
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they must be afraid of heights |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2013.01.08 21:59:00 -
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I only landed twenty times |
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
809
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Posted - 2013.01.08 22:33:00 -
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Even worse is when you take some armor damage, so you fly to a safe staging area and land to hop out and do some repair work, and the blueberries inside (who refused to gtfo, leading to the armor damage in the first place) switch seats and take off, immediately flipping over and crashing 0.7 seconds later.
happened to me.
another that happened recently to me:
South team on Manus. Heavy fighting at B and C, enemy holds A but it's got no one guarding it. I pick up two guys at the CRU and head to A for the easy cap. First I hover over it, both gunners just fire at A (again, there's no one there). After about 15 seconds I land in the little gulley right next to A... the gunner with LOS continues to fire on A, the other gunner fires at MCC. After another 20 seconds or so I decide "**** it" and as I begin to take off two heavies with forge guns finally spawn on A and BOOM. |
Bhor Derri
Legion of Eden
95
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Posted - 2013.01.09 07:10:00 -
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If you have the money get vipers or gorgons and crash the blueberries into the red zone. Seriously.... GTFO of dropships
Had a match where I landed near a supply depot in the middle of the battle and no one even bothers to get in
Then I have them shooting at me waiting for me to pick them up , I fly away avoiding the blueberries but they use the mCRU to get in my dropship -_- and they stay there for 10 minutes without doing anything and enjoying the ride >:C They never get into dropships but if they do , they don't get out.
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fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
211
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Posted - 2013.01.09 10:06:00 -
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the riders need a better view of the ground but blue dots are stupid. They really need to implement a kick passengers out feature for pilots, he has the best view of anyone anyways. For those of you that complain this will be used to kill passengers by dropping them in the red line, 1 you filthy blue dots deserve it, and 2 you can implement a system that prevents forced ejection that will put passengers behind a red line. oh and 3 at least the pilot will be able to get you **** s out of his dropship before he get blown out of the sky. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.09 10:11:00 -
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well in public matches i prefer this method now: dropship full? nobody jumping out? well then im forced to jump out of the pilot seat and leave those poor souls on their own. Who ever reaches the pilot seat will survive. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2013.01.09 11:44:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:well in public matches i prefer this method now: dropship full? nobody jumping out? well then im forced to jump out of the pilot seat and leave those poor souls on their own. Who ever reaches the pilot seat will survive.
The only problem with that is they may survive (Once a hero actually got in the pilots seat as I bailed out), he still hit the floor with an almighty kaboom but he might've saved himself could he actually fly.. Nah, gotta make sure the job is done properly, always fly in a **** suit and then take your crew to the far reaches of the redzone, if they refuse to get out of your dropship no matter how many times you've landed next to the objective expecting them to jump out and hack. |
Yay Adski
Doomheim
53
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Posted - 2013.01.09 12:29:00 -
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Make it look like you're going to crash,if that doesn't work then crash it and take them all out with you |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2013.01.09 13:43:00 -
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When I get blue dots that won't get out of my LAV I drive them into the redzone. Preferably off a cliff so they can't get back up.
Once one of them realised what I had done, so he shot at me, and I laughed as I shot back knowing I killed a useless blueberry.
Then again free LAV's are cheaper (true story) |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:03:00 -
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Crashing my DS sounds good and all, but it cost 650K in ISK....so no.
However, they were at least nice enough to let me keep my pilot seat, because a glitch caused me to become a gunner somehow, but no one took my seat (guess I'm just that good). On the other hand, we were on the ground but no one got out. It was like a WTF are you doing moment. |
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