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KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 442	Posted - 2012.11.15 10:19:00 - [1] - Quote I just wanted to share my love for the bros! I love you and keep up the good work. When occationally running a 100K+ isk setup its very nice indeed to have someone pick me up. This setup has insane shield regen and I can therefore not equip an armor regenerator on it, which you also help me fix. (Its quite funny cause I often run around with max shield and 0 in armor, how its possible to have 0 armor is another issue...) So I decided one match to put my squadleader frago thingy on the Logi bro of my squad. This was very nice for several reasons; - They light up on my map making it very easy to know were a possible pickup, ammo or armor regen is. - I get many points in the form of squad leader commission since the Logi get points for all kinds of stuff. - The ekstra points he will get works well as a reward for taking up the job as support and general everyday hero. Just my 0,02 ISK...
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.11.15 14:20:00 - [2] - Quote I agree, put it on your logi bros. It's not like I ever notice what suit people are wearing and INTENTIONALLY aim for the squishies, no, I and no one else would ever do that. Who'd want to kill the easy target when you can fire at the fatty next to him whose built to withstand damage? I'm still of mind that being near SL gives bonus wp for actions taken by squadmates nearby so placing marker isn't such a pain when the marker target dies and you need to replace it.
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 192	Posted - 2012.11.15 14:38:00 - [3] - Quote Even without the current gains in SP from repping I still think the logi is by far the best place for the defend order. He's constantly raking in the points from either resupply's, pickup's and is generally just behind or around the squad anyway so every profits.
ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2012.11.15 15:06:00 - [4] - Quote I could not disagree more, always put the squad command on the SLAYER. You will not believe how fast those +10 add up Furthermore, the reward should always go to the front line solders, and and not the cowards hiding behind the scenes KDR>EVERYTHING SLAYER>SUPPORT
Valmar Shadereaver Lost-Legion 18	Posted - 2012.11.15 18:56:00 - [5] - Quote regnum i dont think you understand KDR means nothing in the world of dust if you wanne die and lose your expensive suit's cause you dislike logibro's thats upto you nextime i see you in need of repair or ammo il just ingore you and il keep my 80% revive to myself aswel get one of the bluebery's pick you up whit30% so you go down again i a second cause realy you are the most unhelpfull ally to have in game you jump infornt of fire of ally's so you get kill's and then hide behind ally's like they are meatwall's take you to the war and youl end up shooting your alies in the back
Tyrus 4 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 83	Posted - 2012.11.15 20:12:00 - [6] - Quote Valmar Shadereaver wrote: regnum i dont think you understand KDR means nothing in the world of dust if you wanne die and lose your expensive suit's cause you dislike logibro's thats upto you nextime i see you in need of repair or ammo il just ingore you and il keep my 80% revive to myself aswel get one of the bluebery's pick you up whit30% so you go down again i a second cause realy you are the most unhelpfull ally to have in game you jump infornt of fire of ally's so you get kill's and then hide behind ally's like they are meatwall's take you to the war and youl end up shooting your alies in the back don't take Regnum so serious, every time Regnum posts I see whatever he says in Hamburglarese. for example: ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: ROBBLE ROBBLE ROBBLE ROBBLE ROBBLE ROBBLE ROBBLE ROBBLE
Tyrus 4 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 83	Posted - 2012.11.15 20:13:00 - [7] - Quote a lot of the time I find that squadleaders like to put the Defend Order on me for some reason. I suppose it is because I am the slowest suit in the squad and I have the most armor.
Simon Havoc ZionTCD Legacy Rising 26	Posted - 2012.11.15 21:19:00 - [8] - Quote ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: I could not disagree more, always put the squad command on the SLAYER. You will not believe how fast those +10 add up Furthermore, the reward should always go to the front line solders, and and not the cowards hiding behind the scenes KDR>EVERYTHING SLAYER>SUPPORT Clearly you have not the fundamental experience of being owned by a fleet with logistics support in EVE. When it comes to defending their turf, with your attitude you will be eating it. The only people your KDR will out-shine a well supported group are those who are not likely to have a vested interested in the outcome of the match other than ISK and SP. The part where your going to fall down on your face is when you make the mistake of thinking you will be able to compete against the top alliances in the game. Additionally with an attitude like that to your fellow teammates is going to get you shunned out of your group faster than you think. Enjoy being on the top of the leader boards, honestly I don't care. Someone is always going to be better, but the true victory is when you waste all your time and effort pursuing a KDR, killing my infinite number of clones, and your carcass is left planet-side still thinking you won because you were "on top" yet my corporation walks away with the contract and the victory. I look forward to fighting against you, I may even enjoy dying, because in the end your still going to lose.
ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2012.11.16 01:12:00 - [9] - Quote Valmar Shadereaver wrote: regnum i dont think you understand KDR means nothing in the world of dust if you wanne die and lose your expensive suit's cause you dislike logibro's thats upto you nextime i see you in need of repair or ammo il just ingore you and il keep my 80% revive to myself aswel get one of the bluebery's pick you up whit30% so you go down again i a second cause realy you are the most unhelpfull ally to have in game you jump infornt of fire of ally's so you get kill's and then hide behind ally's like they are meatwall's take you to the war and youl end up shooting your alies in the back Sorry FANBOI but KDR means everything in the FPS world... The only people who say KDR does not matter are the players who cannot a good KDR. Furthermore, When did I tell you to speak? you're basically my errand boy on the battlefield. Let the real players talk, you know, the players who actually make a difference Lastly,You Logi's need to understand that you're the least important role on the Battlefield. I'd rather take 1 good slayer over 100 LOGI any day.
ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2012.11.16 01:17:00 - [10] - Quote Simon Havoc wrote: ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: I could not disagree more, always put the squad command on the SLAYER. You will not believe how fast those +10 add up Furthermore, the reward should always go to the front line solders, and and not the cowards hiding behind the scenes KDR>EVERYTHING SLAYER>SUPPORT Clearly you have not the fundamental experience of being owned by a fleet with logistics support in EVE. When it comes to defending their turf, with your attitude you will be eating it. The only people your KDR will out-shine a well supported group are those who are not likely to have a vested interested in the outcome of the match other than ISK and SP. The part where your going to fall down on your face is when you make the mistake of thinking you will be able to compete against the top alliances in the game. Additionally with an attitude like that to your fellow teammates is going to get you shunned out of your group faster than you think. Enjoy being on the top of the leader boards, honestly I don't care. Someone is always going to be better, but the true victory is when you waste all your time and effort pursuing a KDR, killing my infinite number of clones, and your carcass is left planet-side still thinking you won because you were "on top" yet my corporation walks away with the contract and the victory. I look forward to fighting against you, I may even enjoy dying, because in the end your still going to lose. Sorry...who are you again? Have we met? My KDR is beast and I won the DUSTER TOURNY Still waiting on that lose thing you were talking about

Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis 245	Posted - 2012.11.16 01:41:00 - [11] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I just wanted to share my love for the bros! I love you and keep up the good work. When occationally running a 100K+ isk setup its very nice indeed to have someone pick me up. This setup has insane shield regen and I can therefore not equip an armor regenerator on it, which you also help me fix. (Its quite funny cause I often run around with max shield and 0 in armor, how its possible to have 0 armor is another issue...) So I decided one match to put my squadleader frago thingy on the Logi bro of my squad. This was very nice for several reasons; - They light up on my map making it very easy to know were a possible pickup, ammo or armor regen is. - I get many points in the form of squad leader commission since the Logi get points for all kinds of stuff. - The ekstra points he will get works well as a reward for taking up the job as support and general everyday hero. Just my 0,02 ISK... That's actually a good piece of advice ... Thank you
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.16 02:00:00 - [12] - Quote Another good reason- whether randoms know they're a logi or not, they'll stay close to them to make their lives easier.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.16 02:11:00 - [13] - Quote ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: I won the DUSTER TOURNY Not true. It wasn't you, personally, alone, who earned the win. There were other players on the same battlefield fighting for the same goal, and I can guarantee that someone on your team was running logistics (as distinct from Logistics) in some form. I'll also guarantee that you had teammates risking their clones (and their KDR) to capture points.
zeek1227 zeek1227 Blitzkrieg Co. 144	Posted - 2012.11.16 03:13:00 - [14] - Quote ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: Valmar Shadereaver wrote: regnum i dont think you understand KDR means nothing in the world of dust if you wanne die and lose your expensive suit's cause you dislike logibro's thats upto you nextime i see you in need of repair or ammo il just ingore you and il keep my 80% revive to myself aswel get one of the bluebery's pick you up whit30% so you go down again i a second cause realy you are the most unhelpfull ally to have in game you jump infornt of fire of ally's so you get kill's and then hide behind ally's like they are meatwall's take you to the war and youl end up shooting your alies in the back Sorry FANBOI but KDR means everything in the FPS world... The only people who say KDR does not matter are the players who cannot a good KDR. Furthermore, When did I tell you to speak? you're basically my errand boy on the battlefield. Let the real players talk, you know, the players who actually make a difference Lastly,You Logi's need to understand that you're the least important role on the Battlefield. I'd rather take 1 good slayer over 100 LOGI any day. I feel like I lost some brain cells. Do you realize that no matter how many people you kill maybe even if u kill millions of my team if I hold the objectives we will win? I think u might be looking for cod forum buddy
BoomBoom Firepower 0	Posted - 2012.11.16 03:36:00 - [15] - Quote zeek1227 zeek1227 wrote: ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: Valmar Shadereaver wrote: regnum i dont think you understand KDR means nothing in the world of dust if you wanne die and lose your expensive suit's cause you dislike logibro's thats upto you nextime i see you in need of repair or ammo il just ingore you and il keep my 80% revive to myself aswel get one of the bluebery's pick you up whit30% so you go down again i a second cause realy you are the most unhelpfull ally to have in game you jump infornt of fire of ally's so you get kill's and then hide behind ally's like they are meatwall's take you to the war and youl end up shooting your alies in the back Sorry FANBOI but KDR means everything in the FPS world... The only people who say KDR does not matter are the players who cannot a good KDR. Furthermore, When did I tell you to speak? you're basically my errand boy on the battlefield. Let the real players talk, you know, the players who actually make a difference Lastly,You Logi's need to understand that you're the least important role on the Battlefield. I'd rather take 1 good slayer over 100 LOGI any day. I feel like I lost some brain cells. Do you realize that no matter how many people you kill maybe even if u kill millions of my team if I hold the objectives we will win? I think u might be looking for cod forum buddy I figured it was a joke...
Galthur CrimeWave Syndicate 22	Posted - 2012.11.16 05:00:00 - [16] - Quote I don't agree, your profiting off of others teamplay and when you do that it doesn't benefit logis at all
Free Healing L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.16 06:25:00 - [17] - Quote Galthur wrote: I don't agree, your profiting off of others teamplay and when you do that it doesn't benefit logis at all When someone has a DEFEND order placed on them they, and those around them, get +20% WP for every action they normally get WP for. This is a Huge benefit for anyone. Not only that but, one of the points KingBarbar is making, is that Logibro's tend to stick to the Squad more than any other Type of Dropsuit with the only exception (maybe) being the new Crusader Dropsuits when they're released. This means that those around the Logibro will get the same +20% increase to WP gain as the Logibro does. On another note if the Logibro gets a lot of points it contributes to the ability to call in Orbital Support from the Warbarge. Which helps your Team win. And that's what DUST 514 is really going to be about. The WIN. The WIN trumps anything. Even KDR. Keep the faith.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.11.16 06:34:00 - [18] - Quote ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: I could not disagree more, always put the squad command on the SLAYER. You will not believe how fast those +10 add up Furthermore, the reward should always go to the front line solders, and and not the cowards hiding behind the scenes KDR>EVERYTHING SLAYER>SUPPORT from what i seen the people with high KDR are the cowards, sitting behind the red line with their tanks and snipers. while i keep a tank at bay capping points and only managing 4 kills i still am pulling vip of my team and winning.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.11.16 06:42:00 - [19] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: I could not disagree more, always put the squad command on the SLAYER. You will not believe how fast those +10 add up Furthermore, the reward should always go to the front line solders, and and not the cowards hiding behind the scenes KDR>EVERYTHING SLAYER>SUPPORT from what i seen the people with high KDR are the cowards, sitting behind the red line with their tanks and snipers. while i keep a tank at bay capping points and only managing 4 kills i still am pulling vip of my team and winning. I agree with you entirely. KDR means nothing in a team game. Just because someone dies heaps defending a key strategical point doesn't mean they suck.... It means they're willing to sacrifice things for the win. When it comes down to it the win is the most important thing and running away so you can protect a KDR is not going to help anyone. Reg, once games get longer and the maps get bigger, how are you going to slay people with no bullets? It will take you ages to get to the nearest supply depot to refill your ammo. Logi's will become a vital part of them game, it's just that right now they have no real room to shine.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:10:00 - [20] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Necrodermis wrote: ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: I could not disagree more, always put the squad command on the SLAYER. You will not believe how fast those +10 add up Furthermore, the reward should always go to the front line solders, and and not the cowards hiding behind the scenes KDR>EVERYTHING SLAYER>SUPPORT from what i seen the people with high KDR are the cowards, sitting behind the red line with their tanks and snipers. while i keep a tank at bay capping points and only managing 4 kills i still am pulling vip of my team and winning. I agree with you entirely. KDR means nothing in a team game. Just because someone dies heaps defending a key strategical point doesn't mean they suck.... It means they're willing to sacrifice things for the win. When it comes down to it the win is the most important thing and running away so you can protect a KDR is not going to help anyone. Reg, once games get longer and the maps get bigger, how are you going to slay people with no bullets? It will take you ages to get to the nearest supply depot to refill your ammo. Logi's will become a vital part of them game, it's just that right now they have no real room to shine. Do you know whats better then sacrificing yourself and letting the enemy cap the objective? How about killing the enemy without dying so you can keep the objective? This an FPS, you would be ignorant to believe KDR has nothing to do with this game.

Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:18:00 - [21] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Do you know whats better then sacrificing yourself and letting the enemy cap the objective? How about killing the enemy without dying so you can keep the objective? This an FPS, you would be ignorant to believe KDR has nothing to do with this game. from what i am seeing this is an RTS, only the pathetic ants on the ground don't see it like that. KDR has an impact if done correctly, sitting back and just capping at a large group of people inside an area they already captured isn't helping. firing a tank's infinity ranged rockets into a point like a mad man also doesn't contribute. if you can run and gun inside of buildings capture points suppress incoming troops and tanks you won't get as high of a KDR as the numb nuts that sit on a mountain wasting effective members for the team but you are contributing way more.
Free Healing L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:26:00 - [22] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Necrodermis wrote: ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: I could not disagree more, always put the squad command on the SLAYER. You will not believe how fast those +10 add up Furthermore, the reward should always go to the front line solders, and and not the cowards hiding behind the scenes KDR>EVERYTHING SLAYER>SUPPORT from what i seen the people with high KDR are the cowards, sitting behind the red line with their tanks and snipers. while i keep a tank at bay capping points and only managing 4 kills i still am pulling vip of my team and winning. I agree with you entirely. KDR means nothing in a team game. Just because someone dies heaps defending a key strategical point doesn't mean they suck.... It means they're willing to sacrifice things for the win. When it comes down to it the win is the most important thing and running away so you can protect a KDR is not going to help anyone. Reg, once games get longer and the maps get bigger, how are you going to slay people with no bullets? It will take you ages to get to the nearest supply depot to refill your ammo. Logi's will become a vital part of them game, it's just that right now they have no real room to shine. Do you know whats better then sacrificing yourself and letting the enemy cap the objective? How about killing the enemy without dying so you can keep the objective? This an FPS, you would be ignorant to believe KDR has nothing to do with this game. I don't know if that is his point Zan, Personally when I say that KDR doesn't matter is because i believe it's an inaccurate representation of player skill. There are elements in this game where your death can be an inevitable matter. Just because a player has a High KDR doesn't mean he was the most useful player in the game. Conversely, it doesn't mean that a player with a low KDR is the worst player out there. Now i don't believe that KDR is useless. I for one am happy when i see my KDR go up. But i don't judge people based on their KDR. If a Heavy moves up on an Objective and the only one defending it is a Logibro. The Logibro has two options. Fight or Flight. Peronally, I would risk the Objective to sneak around and wait for the enemy to start taking it or waiting for back-up instead of risking myself to death just so i can "maybe" take down that heavy before he turns his HMG in my direction. Keep the faith.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:35:00 - [23] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Necrodermis wrote: ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote: I could not disagree more, always put the squad command on the SLAYER. You will not believe how fast those +10 add up Furthermore, the reward should always go to the front line solders, and and not the cowards hiding behind the scenes KDR>EVERYTHING SLAYER>SUPPORT from what i seen the people with high KDR are the cowards, sitting behind the red line with their tanks and snipers. while i keep a tank at bay capping points and only managing 4 kills i still am pulling vip of my team and winning. I agree with you entirely. KDR means nothing in a team game. Just because someone dies heaps defending a key strategical point doesn't mean they suck.... It means they're willing to sacrifice things for the win. When it comes down to it the win is the most important thing and running away so you can protect a KDR is not going to help anyone. Reg, once games get longer and the maps get bigger, how are you going to slay people with no bullets? It will take you ages to get to the nearest supply depot to refill your ammo. Logi's will become a vital part of them game, it's just that right now they have no real room to shine. Do you know whats better then sacrificing yourself and letting the enemy cap the objective? How about killing the enemy without dying so you can keep the objective? This an FPS, you would be ignorant to believe KDR has nothing to do with this game. And you would be ignorant to believe KDR has everything to do with this game. Guess what? No matter how good you are, you can't stop 30 players by yourself, ( I'm talking about once the game is larger) but you can slow them down and give your team time to arrive and defend it. Guys that run away to preserve their KDR may help their team in some ways, but not as many as they could. I'm not saying having a good KDR= instant bad team player what I'm saying is that a KDR doesn't necessarily give a good indication of the amount of effort that someone may put into helping their team. Also my post said " Just because someone dies heaps defending a key strategical point doesn't mean they suck......" I never said anything about an objective being capped because, key points aren't limited to objectives, or at least they won't be once the game releases. Having control of a tall mountain in the middle of the map will give your team an advantage. If the enemy pushes the attack on it and you die defending it, spawn in again, kill 4-5 more people, die, spawn in again and take down another 4-5 people and preventing others from pushing up by suppressing them, then you have helped your team. Sometimes, your job will be a distraction or a damage sponge, and if it gets you killed tough that's the way this game works and the players that recognise this will have more success in large scale deployments. In short, a good KDR doesn't indicate player skill, as you may have done something else that is just as important. Yes a good KDR is a great thing to have, but you shouldn't judge players from it.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:35:00 - [24] - Quote Free Healing wrote: I don't know if that is his point Zan, Of course that is his point, do you honestly believe when Regnum talks about KDR he means padding it with a vehicle or camping in the red line
Free Healing L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:41:00 - [25] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Free Healing wrote: I don't know if that is his point Zan, Of course that is his point, do you honestly believe when Regnum talks about KDR he means padding it with a vehicle or camping in the red line I'm honestly don't know what to believe when Regnum talks. I only know him through the forums and very few matches recently of which I have seen him in those fancy new Gurista Sagas you guys have. Now Regnum may be a talented "Slayer" as he put it but that doesn't mean that the other players in the game have less to offer on the battlefield than he does. If he honestly believes that he can go 1 vs. 100 against Logibro's without any kind of advantage other than player skill then he must be much better than what I've seen in my recent matches against him. Keep the faith.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:43:00 - [26] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Free Healing wrote: I don't know if that is his point Zan, Of course that is his point, do you honestly believe when Regnum talks about KDR he means padding it with a vehicle or camping in the red line Then I guess it's a good thing I wasn't talking about Regnum, except for the part where I tried to explain to him that logi's will become far more useful once the game gets larger.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 442	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:52:00 - [27] - Quote Galthur wrote: I don't agree, your profiting off of others teamplay and when you do that it doesn't benefit logis at all Thats just silly. The Logibro I put the marker on is the one getting the most ekstra points out of this, you do know that he'll get 20% ekstra WP for everything he does? As I wrote; to reward them for their good and selfless work. How you can flip my "give your love to your Logibro" positive thread of appresiation over to me being some sort of whatnot exploiting the teamplay of others is another matter. Get gud at reading and comprehending scrub.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 442	Posted - 2012.11.16 08:44:00 - [28] - Quote Yes and thanks for making this into yet another KDR debate. As always; KDR will be the most important stat or meassure of a players skill. This is still a FPS, you can't do much when you're dead. That people pushes objectives and go for the win is naturally a prerequisite for this statement to be true.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.11.16 08:46:00 - [29] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Yes and thanks for making this into yet another KDR debate. As always; KDR will be the most important stat or meassure of a players skill. This is still a FPS, you can't do much when you're dead. That people pushes objectives and go for the win is naturally a prerequisite for this statement to be true. im going to have fun blowing your ships away from planets
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 442	Posted - 2012.11.16 11:51:00 - [30] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: KingBabar wrote: Yes and thanks for making this into yet another KDR debate. As always; KDR will be the most important stat or meassure of a players skill. This is still a FPS, you can't do much when you're dead. That people pushes objectives and go for the win is naturally a prerequisite for this statement to be true. im going to have fun blowing your ships away from planets That may be all well and true, however, its beside the point. When it comes to me having a teammate with me "in the trenches", who do I want? The guy with gun game or just another EVEtard that is at best only usable as a 3 second disstracting canonfodder? And by all means, name another stat or meassure that can be quantyfied that is a better meassure of player skill.



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