I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer

I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer

if they are intent on keeping the cap then it has to be doubled or tripled
its bs in its current form atm

removing the cap completely cyn creates a bigger gap than the weekly one tbqh

if they are intent on keeping the cap then it has to be doubled or tripled
its bs in its current form atm

removing the cap completely cyn creates a bigger gap than the weekly one tbqh

Hmm. Doesnt need to remove the system. Just needs to have a way to allow newer gamers to catch up. Such as a raised weekly cap based on the overall community SP.

Or, just be patient. When starting a new game late, you're bound to have less equipment and skills than older players in any other FPS, or MMO. But quickly, you get to be as tough in ONE specialty as most people. Overtime, the difference between a new player and an ancient one will only be the amount of roles one can fully endorse.

Players who have been around longer have better gear and unlocked abilities... now where have I seen a system like that before?

...oh yeah, I remember now...

ALMOST EVERY CURRENT GEN SHOOTER IN EXISTENCE.

Having a similar system in DUST will certainly kill it off. Totally.

The only weekly cap should be on the maximimum sp up to that calendar week.. So new players should be allowed to grind until they catch up, to the games maximum cap.

So a person two months behind could concievably catch up in a week or two of hard grinding. Cause they would not have any deminshing returns until they were caught up to the rest of us.


This would allow even the most dedicated to miss a few weeks here or there and still be able to catch back up.

Really, so every other shooter in existence has it totally wrong.

But dust is spot on....... lol. We'll see.

EDIT. Thanks for ignoring mail Taste.

I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer

The only weekly cap should be on the maximimum sp up to that calendar week.. So new players should be allowed to grind until they catch up, to the games maximum cap.

So a person two months behind could concievably catch up in a week or two of hard grinding. Cause they would not have any deminshing returns until they were caught up to the rest of us.


This would allow even the most dedicated to miss a few weeks here or there and still be able to catch back up.

I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer

As was suggested above, don't homogenise the players, balance the matches. New players fight other new players; vets with uber skills and proto gear fight other vets with similar skills and gear.

I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer

The skill system is what makes it great. There simply needs to be more ways of making an impact in games... but as of right now, the games are very vanilla. Team death match and capture the flag. Everything is centered around killing or playing king of the hill. While that is the most important thing in the end, you need alternatives for the newer players to do rather than being forced into standing toe to toe with a squad of prototype SYN\ Imperfects\SI etc like sheep (IN EVERY MATCH).

Hmm. Doesnt need to remove the system. Just needs to have a way to allow newer gamers to catch up. Such as a raised weekly cap based on the overall community SP.

Or, just be patient. When starting a new game late, you're bound to have less equipment and skills than older players in any other FPS, or MMO. But quickly, you get to be as tough in ONE specialty as most people. Overtime, the difference between a new player and an ancient one will only be the amount of roles one can fully endorse.

I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer

do we need every game to hold your hand when you play why not have a challenge? the skill system is fine the way it is all you really need it the matchmaking system to be brought back as well as the instant battle.

I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer

i guess this is the part where i say

"i told ya so"

Peace
B

^this

There is no way to remove the advantage seasoned players have over new players in any game unless you remove all game progression (both in and out of game, which is impossible because the Devs can't stop players from learning how to play better as they play the game longer).

Also remember that the current SP system (much like the current 0 WP Repair Tool hotfix) is a temporary one. The goal is to have a "pool" system. And while details on said system are admittedly lacking if you think of the pool system employed by the Star Craft II ladder you're likely on the right track.

Besides, CCP has stated it should take about 2-3 weeks of play to reach Proto in a given thing. Meaning that after approximately 9.1 months you are topped out in a given area so anyone new only has to play for that same span and you're equals within that role. Time doesn't keep adding a liner progression to skills in D514, it branches out and starts adding other options on one character. But you can only run one dropsuit at a time no matter what character skills you have.

It's also worth noting that my above timeline assumes that every mod and weapon on that suit is different and thus requires 3 weeks to train. While in reality it would be much faster because many mods share skills and frankly most fits which don't use synergistic mods (like more than one armor, shield, or damage mod for example) are likely to be fail fit anyway. So the actual 'cap time' to optimum will be lower than my listed estimate.

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I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer

c'mon man.

i said it in mag during the mag beta.
they nerfed it as far as they could.
i said it in retail. same thing.

i said it before this game even came out and that was based on experience in entropia, which basically, is the exact same skill system except entropia's actually hard. like make most of these kids explode into pieces hard.

now we actually have the game. here 514 is. it's actually on our ps3s.
the easiest version.
with no community.
like none. math wise, there are SO few people here this is damn near nonexistent. which is cool, i understand completely what ccp has at stake so i can cosign the slow moves.

but it won't make a difference.

this dude proves it:

these kids can't play these games.
they can play cod. that's it. nothing else. the bastards are milk fed veal now. just soft wobbly lil calves that tip over if the wind changes direction. new game comes out, these kids topple like a row of motorcyles.

he thinks the skill system is bad?
what happens with a null sec differential AND clan support AND eve clan support?
like old dude won't even be able to look at nullsec without losing money. i mean seriously...
if he scrolls across the nullsec zone while he is in his quarters, he'll literally lose 1 kit.

how the hell can you request taking out the skill system that is one of the main points of the game, if not THE main point of the game?

it's bad enough these cats are facing pub rooms that are going consist of 1 tank rolling around smashing 16 snipers.
but now the dude wants to skip the work and go straight to the joys of losing isk? well hell brah, why don't we just cut to the chase, shut the game down and put everyones name on the leaderboard in the number one position?

what's next?
take the guns out of the game.

i knew it.
this is the easiest the game is gonna get and they STILL can't play it.


Peace
B

ps
1. and bo goes platinum to prove my point
2. im sure there would be a lot more folks rebutting my post, except they are all playing black ops

I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer