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Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.13 19:57:00 -
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I guess everyone has totally forgot that the matches are to use rankings to keep the games equal between players? hi-sec? low-sec? none of this means anything to anyone? |
Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:10:00 -
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do we need every game to hold your hand when you play why not have a challenge? the skill system is fine the way it is all you really need it the matchmaking system to be brought back instead of the instant battle. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:35:00 -
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Salazar Skye-fire wrote:do we need every game to hold your hand when you play why not have a challenge? the skill system is fine the way it is all you really need it the matchmaking system to be brought back as well as the instant battle. I like it better this way. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:12:00 -
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INVAILD LOADOUT wrote:I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer
Welcome to DUST 514: CoD edition. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
110
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:30:00 -
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i guess this is the part where i say
"i told ya so"
Peace B |
Bigbonedunicorn
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:34:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:i guess this is the part where i say
"i told ya so"
Peace B
not yet. hold back. your time will come soon enough. |
Bigbonedunicorn
8
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:36:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:INVAILD LOADOUT wrote:I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer Hmm. Doesnt need to remove the system. Just needs to have a way to allow newer gamers to catch up. Such as a raised weekly cap based on the overall community SP. Or, just be patient. When starting a new game late, you're bound to have less equipment and skills than older players in any other FPS, or MMO. But quickly, you get to be as tough in ONE specialty as most people. Overtime, the difference between a new player and an ancient one will only be the amount of roles one can fully endorse. ^this There is no way to remove the advantage seasoned players have over new players in any game unless you remove all game progression (both in and out of game, which is impossible because the Devs can't stop players from learning how to play better as they play the game longer). Also remember that the current SP system (much like the current 0 WP Repair Tool hotfix) is a temporary one. The goal is to have a "pool" system. And while details on said system are admittedly lacking if you think of the pool system employed by the Star Craft II ladder you're likely on the right track. Besides, CCP has stated it should take about 2-3 weeks of play to reach Proto in a given thing. Meaning that after approximately 9.1 months you are topped out in a given area so anyone new only has to play for that same span and you're equals within that role. Time doesn't keep adding a liner progression to skills in D514, it branches out and starts adding other options on one character. But you can only run one dropsuit at a time no matter what character skills you have. It's also worth noting that my above timeline assumes that every mod and weapon on that suit is different and thus requires 3 weeks to train. While in reality it would be much faster because many mods share skills and frankly most fits which don't use synergistic mods (like more than one armor, shield, or damage mod for example) are likely to be fail fit anyway. So the actual 'cap time' to optimum will be lower than my listed estimate. 0.02 ISK Cross
i read the first line and i thought bullshit , stopped reading. unreal have been trying it out for years. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
675
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Posted - 2012.11.14 01:25:00 -
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INVAILD LOADOUT wrote:I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer
Wow great idea! And while we're on the subject, lets remove all guns from fps's, all zombies from resident evil titles, all fog and atmosphere from silent hill, all free roam from far cry, all batsuits from Batman, all cars and bikes from gta. YOU are a complete tool for suggesting something so idiotic. Eve has been going for almost 10 years, alot of people have been playing from day one, yet new players are still joining every day. You don't hear THEM complaining do you!? There are ways to skill up in eve without even coming across anyone who have been playing longer. There will be high sec, low sec and null sec in dust as there is on eve, pvp and pve, drones to fight against im order to assist with skilling up etc etc etc. Dust is eve like it or not! It says so on the title screen 'EVE dust 514', DON'T suggest to remove something that is a key part in this game. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2048
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Posted - 2012.11.14 02:23:00 -
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:THREAD DISREGARDED: |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.11.14 03:07:00 -
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Players who can't handle the intricacies of the skill system because it's too complicated just aren't smart enough, or patient enough, to figure it out.
Players who like the skill system, but complain about there being a cap or that they can't get themselves into the best of the best of everything in months for what is supposed to take years, have no patience.
Players who whine about the imbalance of new players VS old feel that they should be entitled to use the best of the best within a fraction of the time of those who earned it.
Players who complain about Dust not being just like their favorite console shooter.
In Eve we call them carebears and the tears here are just as sweet. |
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BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
110
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Posted - 2012.11.14 04:12:00 -
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c'mon man.
i said it in mag during the mag beta. they nerfed it as far as they could. i said it in retail. same thing.
i said it before this game even came out and that was based on experience in entropia, which basically, is the exact same skill system except entropia's actually hard. like make most of these kids explode into pieces hard.
now we actually have the game. here 514 is. it's actually on our ps3s. the easiest version. with no community. like none. math wise, there are SO few people here this is damn near nonexistent. which is cool, i understand completely what ccp has at stake so i can cosign the slow moves.
but it won't make a difference.
this dude proves it:
these kids can't play these games. they can play cod. that's it. nothing else. the bastards are milk fed veal now. just soft wobbly lil calves that tip over if the wind changes direction. new game comes out, these kids topple like a row of motorcyles.
he thinks the skill system is bad? what happens with a null sec differential AND clan support AND eve clan support? like old dude won't even be able to look at nullsec without losing money. i mean seriously... if he scrolls across the nullsec zone while he is in his quarters, he'll literally lose 1 kit.
how the hell can you request taking out the skill system that is one of the main points of the game, if not THE main point of the game?
it's bad enough these cats are facing pub rooms that are going consist of 1 tank rolling around smashing 16 snipers. but now the dude wants to skip the work and go straight to the joys of losing isk? well hell brah, why don't we just cut to the chase, shut the game down and put everyones name on the leaderboard in the number one position?
what's next? take the guns out of the game.
i knew it. this is the easiest the game is gonna get and they STILL can't play it.
Peace B
ps 1. and bo goes platinum to prove my point 2. im sure there would be a lot more folks rebutting my post, except they are all playing black ops |
Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.11.14 04:15:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:c'mon man.
i said it in mag during the mag beta. they nerfed it as far as they could. i said it in retail. same thing.
i said it before this game even came out and that was based on experience in entropia, which basically, is the exact same skill system except entropia's actually hard. like make most of these kids explode into pieces hard.
now we actually have the game. here 514 is. it's actually on our ps3s. the easiest version. with no community. like none. math wise, there are SO few people here this is damn near nonexistent. which is cool, i understand completely what ccp has at stake so i can cosign the slow moves.
but it won't make a difference.
this dude proves it:
these kids can't play these games. they can play cod. that's it. nothing else. the bastards are milk fed veal now. just soft wobbly lil calves that tip over if the wind changes direction. new game comes out, these kids topple like a row of motorcyles.
he thinks the skill system is bad? what happens with a null sec differential AND clan support AND eve clan support? like old dude won't even be able to look at nullsec without losing money. i mean seriously... if he scrolls across the nullsec zone while he is in his quarters, he'll literally lose 1 kit.
how the hell can you request taking out the skill system that is one of the main points of the game, if not THE main point of the game?
it's bad enough these cats are facing pub rooms that are going consist of 1 tank rolling around smashing 16 snipers. but now the dude wants to skip the work and go straight to the joys of losing isk? well hell brah, why don't we just cut to the chase, shut the game down and put everyones name on the leaderboard in the number one position?
what's next? take the guns out of the game.
i knew it. this is the easiest the game is gonna get and they STILL can't play it.
Peace B
ps 1. and bo goes platinum to prove my point 2. im sure there would be a lot more folks rebutting my post, except they are all playing black ops
I don't like that you are filthy Amarr, but.... yeah I agree with everything you said. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.11.14 05:21:00 -
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The current system is fine. It disburses skillpoints based on what you kill, so you get tons of rewards for killing a Proto user, and he gets jack **** for killing you. The skill system is here, should be here, and won't be removed. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.11.14 07:06:00 -
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INVAILD LOADOUT wrote:I know you want this game to be like Eve, but the current SKILL SYSTEM MAKES the game imbalanced for new players. I want people to play this game, but nobody will If there are guys who can dominate newer players because they have been playing longer
HTFU |
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