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ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.06 20:35:00 - [1] - Quote A change should be made to supply depots so that you cannot change your drop suite type on the battle field. This isn't to say that you couldn't change to load outs with identical Drop suit platforms but to prevent scouts form becoming heavies in the blink of an eye. For example: I was an assault suit being chased by an enemy with a shout gun. He took me to 1/2 armor as I ducked around a corner with an Supply Depot. In the few second it took him to close the gap I had changed from a militia Assault suit to a heavy with a HMG. Not to martyr this guy, but he could of beaten (or avoided me altogether) if he new what he was up against. Unfortunately, he wasn't alone so I pulled out my militia gear only to die 30 seconds later, free or charge. I've noticed that if I change Lode outs to an identical suite type that all shield and armor damage is unchanged. Instead of an instant change of hardware, supply depot's should provide a slow (10-15hp/s) but infinite armor and shield rep just like they do for vehicles now. Right now the Drop suit's are the most significant single investment for an infantry load out. I don't like to whine about fairness but I dont think it's right that a Merc can swap out good suits for welfare gear on the fly if the odds aren't in his favor. Right now this isn't to much of an issue yet, but this could change when we can call in instations anywhere on the battle field. Nothing is stoping me from useing this tactic, if developers wish to keep it then I will not limmet myself. I just think it takes away form the game is all. let me hear you thoughts.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.11.06 20:42:00 - [2] - Quote I'll admit, the suit I run with is completely modded up, nearly 200,000 ISK loss per suit for me, so I often use the supply depots to insta heal my suit. And honestly, as a heavy, if it weren't for that I'd die a lot more. My armor is like paper, 1000 HP goes by in 2 seconds.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:02:00 - [3] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: I'll admit, the suit I run with is completely modded up, nearly 200,000 ISK loss per suit for me, so I often use the supply depots to insta heal my suit. And honestly, as a heavy, if it weren't for that I'd die a lot more. My armor is like paper, 1000 HP goes by in 2 seconds. ya we aren't gods but we sure are a pain to bring down. esp with friendly support.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:10:00 - [4] - Quote This could get out of hand. Maybe a limit to switching suits out completely, like it takes as long to do as hack the supply depot. So, changing from scout to heavy would take 10seconds or so. This keeps utility but stops the tactic OP wanted to remove. Or OP's idea would work fine and be simpler to do. +1
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:12:00 - [5] - Quote This is one of the cool features of dust you can't take it away. How else are you supposed to switch to an AV Load out. Its tough enough to hit a vehicles but then to have to continue running around in your 150,000 plus AV suit without the ability to change would be horrible. Besides its a great way to recharge your armor on the heavy suit since no one runs repair kits now that they are given no points for repair.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:13:00 - [6] - Quote Ten-Sidhe wrote: This could get out of hand. Maybe a limit to switching suits out completely, like it takes as long to do as hack the supply depot. So, changing from scout to heavy would take 10seconds or so. This keeps utility but stops the tactic OP wanted to remove. Or OP's idea would work fine and be simpler to do. +1 Ya, i thought about your idea while i was writing this. I like it but i wanted to stay focused as opposed to spouting out ideas. +1 to you too.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:21:00 - [7] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: This is one of the cool features of dust you can't take it away. How else are you supposed to switch to an AV Load out. Its tough enough to hit a vehicles but then to have to continue running around in your 150,000 plus AV suit without the ability to change would be horrible. Besides its a great way to recharge your armor on the heavy suit since no one runs repair kits now that they are given no points for repair. I never said you couldn't switch to your guns or mods, just your suits. However, if you don't have an AV class on the suit that you spawned in with then your fresh out of luck. on the bright side there is no rule that says you can't change your load out in game if you can find a safe spot. As for repping I adressed that in the OP. try reading it.
Ghost-33 ShootBreakStab 108	Posted - 2012.11.06 21:49:00 - [8] - Quote I think it should stay as it is now. Switching suits over and over again (I do sometimes while forging derpshits) won't win battles. If it is such a problem during a match just do what I do, Blow up the supply depot. easy fix. Sure you may get surprised once but if you don't like that some guy swapped suits blow the darn thing up! EDIT: Really the only thing its there for is swapping suits or loadouts, if it couldn't do that they should just be removed from the game. We already have nanohives.
Sytonis Auran Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:08:00 - [9] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: This is one of the cool features of dust you can't take it away. How else are you supposed to switch to an AV Load out. Its tough enough to hit a vehicles but then to have to continue running around in your 150,000 plus AV suit without the ability to change would be horrible. Besides its a great way to recharge your armor on the heavy suit since no one runs repair kits now that they are given no points for repair. I agree it is one of the cool features, if auto healing is necessary for hot-swapping to occur then so be it. I don't feel its game-breaking.
Regis Mk V Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 109	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:28:00 - [10] - Quote You do know changing suits causes you to lose the suit you currently have.

InukamiHai On The Brink 23	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:40:00 - [11] - Quote Regis Mk V wrote: You do know changing suits causes you to lose the suit you currently have. Id have to test that out and pay extreme attention to that Regis...I personally have noticed this: Start game with 50 logi suits, then for X reason need to change suit, heres how it shows when doing that: LOGI [49] MILITIA [--] switch to militia Do what i want to do (die most usually) Then have to change back/respawn, have this: LOGI[50] MILITIA[--] So....technically as far i can tell you DO store and keep the suit you were on prevoiusly...so long as you dont die, just like when finishing a match, you dont lose the suit you were using by the time is over (if you have 50 by the time ithe match starts- pick one, you have then 49 suits in storage, if you manage to not die / get injected every death trough the whole game, you "get back" the suit you were using that whole match).
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:40:00 - [12] - Quote Regis Mk V wrote: You do know changing suits causes you to lose the suit you currently have. It doesn't actually. Switch back to the previous suit, open the menu again, and you'll see that that suit has been replaced in your inventory. I was worried about that, myself, so I tested it a week ago.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:44:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Regis Mk V wrote: You do know changing suits causes you to lose the suit you currently have. It doesn't actually. Switch back to the previous suit, open the menu again, and you'll see that that suit has been replaced in your inventory. I was worried about that, myself, so I tested it a week ago. I've not yet seen that. I've lost the suits I've changed out of... or at least I thought I did.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:45:00 - [14] - Quote Why shouldn't I be able to switch in the middle of the battle?
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:46:00 - [15] - Quote Super Cargo wrote: Why shouldn't I be able to switch in the middle of the battle? Read the dam OP.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.11.07 00:55:00 - [16] - Quote ugg reset wrote: Super Cargo wrote: Why shouldn't I be able to switch in the middle of the battle? Read the dam OP. I did. I agree that it should take some time to swap, but I still don't understand why someone shouldn't be able to swap suits.
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.11.07 01:04:00 - [17] - Quote Regis Mk V wrote: You do know changing suits causes you to lose the suit you currently have. no it doesn't.... i tested it. This is how it works..... say you go to a supply depot and you have to fittings for selection. Selection A, and Selection B. Both selections have 20 suits. Say you click on Selection A, and leave the supply depot. If you come back to the supply depot without dying and activate it, youll notice that Selection A should have only 19 suits. Ok so this means it takes a suit away from you right? no. If that person then clicks on Selection B, leaves the supply depot, and then reactivates it to switch suits again, they'll notice that Selection A has 20 suits again, and Selection B would have only 19. in other words, the number represents the number of stored suits, (aka: suits that arn't being used on the field).....
Piercing Serenity Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 181	Posted - 2012.11.07 03:55:00 - [18] - Quote Imagine how much harder it'd be for a new player to get into the game without being able to pick the right suit for the job if you couldn't switch suits. Battles would go in waves - 14 of 16 players would come in as Anti - Infantry. The other team would put out two dropships and kill everyone because they can't respond. 8 of those people who were just killed just used up 20,000 ISK (As an example) switch to AV while all of those dropship pilots get out and kill the swarm launcher/forge gunners with AR's or snipers. Rinse and repeat. I think that if we make the supply depots a little weaker - weak enough that a team or two of three can destroy one - we can let players control the flow of battle naturally. This system is benefiting everyone equally, regardless of SP or Class. I personally think that it's fine and needed with the variety of obstacles a merc has to face at any given time.
VADOL II Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 49	Posted - 2012.11.07 04:01:00 - [19] - Quote As a Logi, I use Supply Depots to replenish my NanoHives and Droplinks, makes using those RHives much less worrisome. I can drop them whenever, and even random choke points in the hopes someone will walk over it and net me points, and still be able to refill them for when I really need them.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.11.07 04:06:00 - [20] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Imagine how much harder it'd be for a new player to get into the game without being able to pick the right suit for the job if you couldn't switch suits. Battles would go in waves - 14 of 16 players would come in as Anti - Infantry. The other team would put out two dropships and kill everyone because they can't respond. 8 of those people who were just killed just used up 20,000 ISK (As an example) switch to AV while all of those dropship pilots get out and kill the swarm launcher/forge gunners with AR's or snipers. Rinse and repeat. I think that if we make the supply depots a little weaker - weak enough that a team or two of three can destroy one - we can let players control the flow of battle naturally. This system is benefiting everyone equally, regardless of SP or Class. I personally think that it's fine and needed with the variety of obstacles a merc has to face at any given time. It was fun playing against you earlier today. You caught me in my AV gear,so I had to hunt you down, was good times

Raze galder Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2012.11.07 05:37:00 - [21] - Quote Ugg i can see where u are coming from but your request is kinda stupid some people use them like u did for a quick health regen but the reason they are there is so people can adapt to the ever changing battlefield. So ur saying u would deny the ability to do that say someone roles in a scout suit plants some uplinks changes to av to destroy a tank then changes to there hmg to help clear out a group of enemies if they had it the way u say then they are unable to do that unless they die and in other games this is the way it works but that is because they don't have a supply depot to swap loadouts.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.11.07 05:52:00 - [22] - Quote Working as intended.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.07 05:55:00 - [23] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Working as intended. meh, you shouldn't just be able to immediately switch fits without any sort of loading time though.
Wako 75 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 76	Posted - 2012.11.07 05:58:00 - [24] - Quote fix make it cost wp or isk lol more wp
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.07 06:03:00 - [25] - Quote Wako 75 wrote: fix make it cost wp or isk lol more wp They are suits you already payed for, there shouldn't be any penalty to changing your fit. Just make it take time to change.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 810	Posted - 2012.11.07 09:27:00 - [26] - Quote Simple fix is to have the player have to go through a "hack" to change suits. That way to switch out you have to really commit to switching and remain vulnerable during the process.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.11.07 09:38:00 - [27] - Quote Honestly, this supply depot thing doesnt bother me much. It's even one of the nicest aspects of DUST. THe dynamic to switch roles at all time if you got a supply depot near you. Regarding the insta-heal of suits. In EVE, a ship entering a station with 0 shield, and leaving the station immeditaly will have its full shield restored. Armor on the other hand remains as it was. In Dust, it's not stupid to think that swapping from a damaged TII assault, to a scout, then to the original TII assault gives you a brand new suit as you wouldnt take back the damaged one. But you would have to repair that suit to use it later on. Now, maybe this could be integrated into the gameplay ? Add a ISK cost to swapping between suits, cost depending on how damaged the suit you're giving back is ? Would discourage any abuse. Thoughts ?
Lion Redstar ZionTCD Legacy Rising 66	Posted - 2012.11.07 11:13:00 - [28] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Honestly, this supply depot thing doesnt bother me much. It's even one of the nicest aspects of DUST. THe dynamic to switch roles at all time if you got a supply depot near you. Regarding the insta-heal of suits. In EVE, a ship entering a station with 0 shield, and leaving the station immeditaly will have its full shield restored. Armor on the other hand remains as it was. In Dust, it's not stupid to think that swapping from a damaged TII assault, to a scout, then to the original TII assault gives you a brand new suit as you wouldnt take back the damaged one. But you would have to repair that suit to use it later on. Now, maybe this could be integrated into the gameplay ? Add a ISK cost to swapping between suits, cost depending on how damaged the suit you're giving back is ? Would discourage any abuse. Thoughts ? I'm totally with you.
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 192	Posted - 2012.11.07 11:33:00 - [29] - Quote Laurent, in EvE I presume it's possible to swap ships if you made it to a station?. If so then I think this mechanic is working as intended, although it is a bit crappy. I don't like it personally, but I'm just trying to look at things from an EvE perspective . As others have said we already own the suits so it's just like hopping back to the station and swapping to a new ship then flying off out again. If it's an issue then I guess we have to blow up the depot or make sure the guy doesn't get there.
Lion Redstar ZionTCD Legacy Rising 66	Posted - 2012.11.07 12:26:00 - [30] - Quote In EVE we also have POS hangars outside the station where we can swap ships. Or even carriers or other capital ships have ship hangars that allow us to swap ships and resupply while in space.



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