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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:27:00 -
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I saw FisherTheWisher drop 40 kills with a scrambler pistol.
... wtf lol
Scrambler Pistol is underused and overpowered. Take a look at it ccp. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:29:00 -
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So if someone is getting good with a weapon suddenly their weapon is OP? |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:So if someone is getting good with a weapon suddenly their weapon is OP? If the player is already good, what draws the line as OP? This was a while ago. I don't even think it was a proto pistol. Maybe advanced, It was to early in the build.
I have killed a few people in proto gear with the pistol. It is a beast weapon if you have gun game. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:37:00 -
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I practiced with the scrambler pistol every now and then and I find it rather difficult to use. Without the proper skill book and the actual skills that come with experience, my pistol is best used as a melee weapon. I don't find it OP.
As for where the line is drawn for what is considered OP, that is subjective and thus varies in opinion from one merc to another. Therefore I am in no position to debate with you where that line is drawn. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:40:00 -
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450% dmg on a headshots op???
Nah assult rifle is 140% so not much of a diff at all.
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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:45:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:450% dmg on a headshots op???
Nah assult rifle is 140% so not much of a diff at all.
450%>140% seems like a big difference tbh. Maybe I am to drunk. My math is failing |
frfqq
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2012.11.01 04:01:00 -
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I think it's fine. It's a pretty good weapon but has a major drawback: low magazine size. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.11.01 04:10:00 -
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Cry more. Nova Knives are OP too, going by your logic. I saw a guy in a ProtoScout go 22-1 with them. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.11.01 05:40:00 -
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The line between OP or not is a bit fuzzy, but at the same time fairly it's easy to say "probably is" or "probably isn't". If a few players are skilled at using something and destroy with it, it's "probably isn't". If anyone can do it, and it doesn't require any skill to use (player skill, not SP here) then "probably is". I've been using pistols from the start of this build and they are not OP. I'm good with them and I get a ton of kills, but they're not something that just anyone can use and be good with. You're not going to see a wave of pistols with everyone using them. You didn't see any hardly in the last build because tiny clip size made them almost impossible to use. Now they're very usable, but are definitely not spray n' pray. They require a great deal of skill to use properly.
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Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.11.01 05:56:00 -
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If it kills me it should be nerfed nuff said! |
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xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2012.11.01 10:41:00 -
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The scrambler pistol is totally under used. People seem to opt for the SMG as a side arm preference.
I would use the side-arm a lot more if the wheel wasn't so laggy and switching in mid run didnt take 7 seconds. I think if the input lag was resolved then we would see a lot more side arm use.
I gave up trying to use R2 as it would miss the side-arm and go to the equipment slot.
if the controls were tighter and the R2 worked - like another FPS - I think side-arms would be popping up all over the place. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.11.01 10:55:00 -
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xAckie wrote:The scrambler pistol is totally under used. People seem to opt for the SMG as a side arm preference.
I would use the side-arm a lot more if the wheel wasn't so laggy and switching in mid run didnt take 7 seconds. I think if the input lag was resolved then we would see a lot more side arm use.
I gave up trying to use R2 as it would miss the side-arm and go to the equipment slot.
if the controls were tighter and the R2 worked - like another FPS - I think side-arms would be popping up all over the place.
You know that just tapping R2 swaps between your weapons right? |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:00:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:xAckie wrote:The scrambler pistol is totally under used. People seem to opt for the SMG as a side arm preference.
I would use the side-arm a lot more if the wheel wasn't so laggy and switching in mid run didnt take 7 seconds. I think if the input lag was resolved then we would see a lot more side arm use.
I gave up trying to use R2 as it would miss the side-arm and go to the equipment slot.
if the controls were tighter and the R2 worked - like another FPS - I think side-arms would be popping up all over the place. You know that just tapping R2 swaps between your weapons right?
yeah, but unless they changed it from a few build ago (and if they have the I am totally stupid) then it would often pass the side-arm and go to a nanohive or something (I presume again due to input lag). Not the best thing mid fight. Will try again this afternoon and see idiotic I have been by not using it... |
Villore Isu
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:04:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:xAckie wrote:The scrambler pistol is totally under used. People seem to opt for the SMG as a side arm preference.
I would use the side-arm a lot more if the wheel wasn't so laggy and switching in mid run didnt take 7 seconds. I think if the input lag was resolved then we would see a lot more side arm use.
I gave up trying to use R2 as it would miss the side-arm and go to the equipment slot.
if the controls were tighter and the R2 worked - like another FPS - I think side-arms would be popping up all over the place. You know that just tapping R2 swaps between your weapons right? Shhhh, that was meant to be a secret! |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:07:00 -
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There are 3 god-damn sidearm weapons in this game. Ninjas use Nova Knives. Casuals use sub machine guns. Gentlemen use scrambler pistols.
It's not our fault GM Unicorn isn't your dad. Don't you dare take it out on my scrambler pistols. |
VK deathslaer
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
149
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:09:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:I saw FisherTheWisher drop 40 kills with a scrambler pistol.
... wtf lol
Scrambler Pistol is underused and overpowered. Take a look at it ccp.
trolls gonna troll |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:15:00 -
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FisherTheWisher was one of the best headshot Tier1 snipers on MAG I'm told. The pistol might be very powerful, but it seems to require practise, and I find it very inconsistent. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:23:00 -
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that s right..... lets nerf the only weapon that requires actual skills to be good at it .....
and fyi OP. if it was OP it wouldnt be underused. |
Adeptus Ezekiel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:29:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:that s right..... lets nerf the only weapon that requires actual skills to be good at it .....
and fyi OP. if it was OP it wouldnt be underused.
Its an effective weapon that requires a bit of skill to use. Personally if lag wasn't such an issue I would select one over a MP any time, but the way it is, 'spray and pray' is what works.
The way things are with lag and jerky controls, I find I can miss at close range with a shotgun more than I would care to admit to My chances with a scrambler pistol are just laughable.
Leave it as it is. |
Cat Powers III
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
17
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:42:00 -
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I am just starting to prefer the Scrambler over the SMG. I've only put one level into both of the mentioned sidearm skills so I've not used anything above basic though I have "salvaged" a boatload of some high meta level. Mainly I prefer the pistol with my Heavy because of the range, used it to scare or snipe some red dots in tight spots. One match I got two head shots about 30 seconds apart and felt like a hot shot. But my question is about this 450% damage to the head, where did we get this info? Also how much more zoom does the tactical offer from anyone with experience? |
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Grenwal Hiesenberg
Shadow Company HQ
225
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:43:00 -
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xAckie wrote: yeah, but unless they changed it from a few build ago (and if they have the I am totally stupid) then it would often pass the side-arm and go to a nanohive or something (I presume again due to input lag). Not the best thing mid fight. Will try again this afternoon and see idiotic I have been by not using it...
They did. It now cycles between primary and secondary weapons only, you have to hold it down to get to your equipment. |
Grenwal Hiesenberg
Shadow Company HQ
225
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:48:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I practiced with the scrambler pistol every now and then and I find it rather difficult to use. Without the proper skill book and the actual skills that come with experience, my pistol is best used as a melee weapon. I don't find it OP.
As for where the line is drawn for what is considered OP, that is subjective and thus varies in opinion from one merc to another. Therefore I am in no position to debate with you where that line is drawn. I concur, I have it as a secondary on most of my suits, put some SP into it and becomes a pretty great weapon. That being said, with so few rounds it's not really practical against an organised squad where members actually stay close to one another and communicate. |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.11.01 12:01:00 -
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Pistol is not overpowered. High damage, small magazine, low range. Working as intended. |
Cat Powers III
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
17
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Posted - 2012.11.01 12:04:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Pistol is not overpowered. High damage, small magazine, low range. Working as intended.
Is the range that low? Maybe I'm just really used to having a pistol with my HMG (and thus the dramatic difference). It's no super AR that machines me down from halfway across the map but the range seems nice to me (and accurate, I know I'm a horrible shot but the bullets go where I point). |
Fargen Icehole
SyNergy Gaming
67
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Posted - 2012.11.01 12:06:00 -
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Not sure if they should be touched....
BUT, they ARE a little OP. I see the Crimson's point.
Just think about it. In many other FPS, a typical pistol can 3-4shot you, and has under 10 rounds. The typical AR or LMG in said FPS can usually 4-6 shot you. Pistol is only slightly stronger, and has much less ammo capacity in the mag/drum/etc. This makes it a good BACKUP weapon. (what you would expect a sidearm to be)
In this game, the pistol has similar ammo capacity as other FPS, BUT, it does double and almost TRIPLE the damage that ARs and LMGs do. (depending on pistol) This takes it out of the realm of being a back up weapon, and makes it a viable main weapon.
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Jak Teston
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.11.01 12:16:00 -
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If anyone thinks the scramblers are OP then please go ahead and make a pistol only dropsuit (why yes, you can fit a scrambler in both weapon slots) and dominate until CCP realizes they need to fix it. Don't write fancy posts on the forum, demonstrate it in action.
FYI: I'm using the scramblers as primary weapons in game and I don't come out nearly as good as with a militia AR. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
169
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Posted - 2012.11.01 12:24:00 -
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>pistols suddenly OP
lol... |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2012.11.01 14:48:00 -
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I dont think they are OP but they are definitely a good weapon choice. I was surprised when I picked up a militia pistol and found that I could easily take and completely annihilate enemies. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.11.01 15:40:00 -
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I don't want to see pistols ruined... |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
425
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Posted - 2012.11.01 15:56:00 -
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The ONLY thing I'd do to pistols, is SLIGHTLY increase the damage drop at medium-far range. If anything. |
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Grenwal Hiesenberg
Shadow Company HQ
225
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:12:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:The ONLY thing I'd do to pistols, is SLIGHTLY increase the damage drop at medium-far range. If anything. +1, it shouldn't be comparable to ranged weapons until you spec into the sharp shooter skill. |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:42:00 -
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FisherTheWisher is normally good at any FPS he plays. Common fact. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.01 17:10:00 -
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Fargen Icehole wrote:Not sure if they should be touched....
BUT, they ARE a little OP. I see the Crimson's point.
Just think about it. In many other FPS, a typical pistol can 3-4shot you, and has under 10 rounds. The typical AR or LMG in said FPS can usually 4-6 shot you. Pistol is only slightly stronger, and has much less ammo capacity in the mag/drum/etc. This makes it a good BACKUP weapon. (what you would expect a sidearm to be)
In this game, the pistol has similar ammo capacity as other FPS, BUT, it does double and almost TRIPLE the damage that ARs and LMGs do. (depending on pistol) This takes it out of the realm of being a back up weapon, and makes it a viable main weapon.
I'm gonna have to agree to disagree.
As I pointed out earlier, as well we several others here in this thread, the pistol not only requires more SP to be deadly in any way it also requires actual player skill that comes with experience to make the most of it. It's like my Nova Knife only it has range. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.11.01 21:10:00 -
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Also consider that the scrambler appears to be a solid projectile weapon. Much like a .357 magnum, .45 hot load, or a .50 hand cannon, it has very short range and heavy damage. The current 5.56, or .227 can't match these real life heavy handguns on sheer flesh destruction capabilities though they do out range them by leaps and bounds. Seems CCP is going for the more realistic approach in this case and I don't see that a a necessarily bad thing. |
Hollow M Ling
Doomheim
30
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Posted - 2012.11.01 21:53:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote:FisherTheWisher is normally good at any FPS he plays. Common fact. He will kill almost everything.....with a stick. |
Pranekt Tyrvoth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
177
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Posted - 2012.11.01 22:12:00 -
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Lord Tyrvoth acknowledges Mr. Fisher as good competition, and believes that the Scrambler pistol is NOT OP. It's just nice to see someone use it proficiently for a change. |
Obama DAT
Doomheim
389
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Posted - 2012.11.01 22:33:00 -
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Having played against Fisher in MAG. I can tell you that no matter what weapon he or she uses it will be OP in his or her hands. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.11.01 22:38:00 -
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Pistols in 1v1 close range, I would say they have the advantage if they're in good hands. However, the small clip puts you at a bigger disadvantage against multiple enemies. |
Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:04:00 -
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lolz theres noting wrong with pistols just stop crying that ppl with INFINITLY better skills then you can AIM, i know this is a hard concept to understand but it exist.
pistols are fine the way they are they are a very overlooked weapon and perfectly balance the gunplay on the map. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:38:00 -
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Hmmm... now I think I've heard every weapon be called OP, except for nova knives.
Scrambler pistols are only that good in great situations- like when everything is fighting in close quarters, and favoring shields over armor.
Also, scrambler pistols are one of the few "skill" weapons left. |
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Christ0pher Blair
Deep Space Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:20:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:I saw FisherTheWisher drop 40 kills with a scrambler pistol.
... wtf lol
Scrambler Pistol is underused and overpowered. Take a look at it ccp.
These are not the droids you're looking for. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:25:00 -
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to me the pistol and all side arms have decreased damage as the range increases.
you are still hitting them but it does practically no damage.
really obnoxious when you are shooting someone from behind and you are just out of optimal range and you blow on their back with bullets and they turn around with their AR and just rip you apart in a tenth of a second. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:04:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Hmmm... now I think I've heard every weapon be called OP, except for nova knives.
Give it time. Once enough people have read my diaries I'm pretty sure there will be at least one ninja knifer who does 20-0 with just the knife. Then the forum whiners can cry QQ and say "IT"S OP!!!!!!" |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote: Give it time. Once enough people have read my diaries I'm pretty sure there will be at least one ninja knifer who does 20-0 with just the knife. Then the forum whiners can cry QQ and say "IT"S OP!!!!!!"
if profile skills actually worked i can see that happening. right now profile is far from an actual useful skill. all someone has to do is hop in a vehicle and look around and they will see you. or if a sniper looks around at the specks on the map they will be spotted for everyone to kill. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:39:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: Give it time. Once enough people have read my diaries I'm pretty sure there will be at least one ninja knifer who does 20-0 with just the knife. Then the forum whiners can cry QQ and say "IT"S OP!!!!!!"
if profile skills actually worked i can see that happening. right now profile is far from an actual useful skill. all someone has to do is hop in a vehicle and look around and they will see you. or if a sniper looks around at the specks on the map they will be spotted for everyone to kill.
That's why I posted a comment on my diary asking CCP to look into the shadow rendering issue. Even though I could have posted it on the feedback thread, my diaries were actually grabbing CCP's attention so it made sense to post it there. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.11.02 07:34:00 -
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People took this thread seriously.
Any weapon is OP in the right players hands. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:54:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:People took this thread seriously. Any weapon is OP in the right players hands.
In that case, all weapons are UP in my hands. LOL |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2012.11.02 23:03:00 -
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they changed it last build R2 just swaps weapons now |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.11.02 23:46:00 -
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Longshot Ravenwood wrote:There are 3 god-damn sidearm weapons in this game. Ninjas use Nova Knives. Casuals use sub machine guns. Gentlemen use scrambler pistols. It's not our fault GM Unicorn isn't your dad. Don't you dare take it out on my scrambler pistols.
Awesome this makes me a ninja gentleman I kinda like that. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.11.03 01:16:00 -
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It all depends on skill (both skills you buy with SP and true player skill)
Today I got quite a bit of kills with a militia scrambler pistol- but I had to have scrambler pistol operation III, sidearm sharpshooter IV, plus I really took my time to aim instead of trying to spray and pray like most people. Actually 2-shotted someone- gotta love the headshot damage. |
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crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.11.03 02:46:00 -
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the best is going dual pistol so you don't have to reload |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.11.03 02:50:00 -
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crazy space wrote:the best is going dual pistol so you don't have to reload I remember doing that last build, burst and assault combo was fun |
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