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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:27:00 -
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I saw FisherTheWisher drop 40 kills with a scrambler pistol.
... wtf lol
Scrambler Pistol is underused and overpowered. Take a look at it ccp. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:29:00 -
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So if someone is getting good with a weapon suddenly their weapon is OP? |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:So if someone is getting good with a weapon suddenly their weapon is OP?
If the player is already good, what draws the line as OP? This was a while ago. I don't even think it was a proto pistol. Maybe advanced, It was to early in the build.
I have killed a few people in proto gear with the pistol. It is a beast weapon if you have gun game. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:37:00 -
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I practiced with the scrambler pistol every now and then and I find it rather difficult to use. Without the proper skill book and the actual skills that come with experience, my pistol is best used as a melee weapon. I don't find it OP.
As for where the line is drawn for what is considered OP, that is subjective and thus varies in opinion from one merc to another. Therefore I am in no position to debate with you where that line is drawn. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:40:00 -
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450% dmg on a headshots op???
Nah assult rifle is 140% so not much of a diff at all.
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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:45:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:450% dmg on a headshots op???
Nah assult rifle is 140% so not much of a diff at all.
450%>140% seems like a big difference tbh. Maybe I am to drunk. My math is failing |
frfqq
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2012.11.01 04:01:00 -
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I think it's fine. It's a pretty good weapon but has a major drawback: low magazine size. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.11.01 04:10:00 -
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Cry more. Nova Knives are OP too, going by your logic. I saw a guy in a ProtoScout go 22-1 with them. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2012.11.01 05:40:00 -
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The line between OP or not is a bit fuzzy, but at the same time fairly it's easy to say "probably is" or "probably isn't". If a few players are skilled at using something and destroy with it, it's "probably isn't". If anyone can do it, and it doesn't require any skill to use (player skill, not SP here) then "probably is". I've been using pistols from the start of this build and they are not OP. I'm good with them and I get a ton of kills, but they're not something that just anyone can use and be good with. You're not going to see a wave of pistols with everyone using them. You didn't see any hardly in the last build because tiny clip size made them almost impossible to use. Now they're very usable, but are definitely not spray n' pray. They require a great deal of skill to use properly.
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Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2012.11.01 05:56:00 -
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If it kills me it should be nerfed nuff said! |
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xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2012.11.01 10:41:00 -
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The scrambler pistol is totally under used. People seem to opt for the SMG as a side arm preference.
I would use the side-arm a lot more if the wheel wasn't so laggy and switching in mid run didnt take 7 seconds. I think if the input lag was resolved then we would see a lot more side arm use.
I gave up trying to use R2 as it would miss the side-arm and go to the equipment slot.
if the controls were tighter and the R2 worked - like another FPS - I think side-arms would be popping up all over the place. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.11.01 10:55:00 -
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xAckie wrote:The scrambler pistol is totally under used. People seem to opt for the SMG as a side arm preference.
I would use the side-arm a lot more if the wheel wasn't so laggy and switching in mid run didnt take 7 seconds. I think if the input lag was resolved then we would see a lot more side arm use.
I gave up trying to use R2 as it would miss the side-arm and go to the equipment slot.
if the controls were tighter and the R2 worked - like another FPS - I think side-arms would be popping up all over the place.
You know that just tapping R2 swaps between your weapons right? |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:00:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:xAckie wrote:The scrambler pistol is totally under used. People seem to opt for the SMG as a side arm preference.
I would use the side-arm a lot more if the wheel wasn't so laggy and switching in mid run didnt take 7 seconds. I think if the input lag was resolved then we would see a lot more side arm use.
I gave up trying to use R2 as it would miss the side-arm and go to the equipment slot.
if the controls were tighter and the R2 worked - like another FPS - I think side-arms would be popping up all over the place. You know that just tapping R2 swaps between your weapons right?
yeah, but unless they changed it from a few build ago (and if they have the I am totally stupid) then it would often pass the side-arm and go to a nanohive or something (I presume again due to input lag). Not the best thing mid fight. Will try again this afternoon and see idiotic I have been by not using it... |
Villore Isu
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:04:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:xAckie wrote:The scrambler pistol is totally under used. People seem to opt for the SMG as a side arm preference.
I would use the side-arm a lot more if the wheel wasn't so laggy and switching in mid run didnt take 7 seconds. I think if the input lag was resolved then we would see a lot more side arm use.
I gave up trying to use R2 as it would miss the side-arm and go to the equipment slot.
if the controls were tighter and the R2 worked - like another FPS - I think side-arms would be popping up all over the place. You know that just tapping R2 swaps between your weapons right?
Shhhh, that was meant to be a secret!  |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:07:00 -
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There are 3 god-damn sidearm weapons in this game. Ninjas use Nova Knives. Casuals use sub machine guns. Gentlemen use scrambler pistols.
It's not our fault GM Unicorn isn't your dad. Don't you dare take it out on my scrambler pistols. |
VK deathslaer
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
149
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:09:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:I saw FisherTheWisher drop 40 kills with a scrambler pistol.
... wtf lol
Scrambler Pistol is underused and overpowered. Take a look at it ccp.
trolls gonna troll |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:15:00 -
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FisherTheWisher was one of the best headshot Tier1 snipers on MAG I'm told. The pistol might be very powerful, but it seems to require practise, and I find it very inconsistent. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:23:00 -
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that s right..... lets nerf the only weapon that requires actual skills to be good at it .....
and fyi OP. if it was OP it wouldnt be underused. |
Adeptus Ezekiel
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:29:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:that s right..... lets nerf the only weapon that requires actual skills to be good at it .....
and fyi OP. if it was OP it wouldnt be underused.
Its an effective weapon that requires a bit of skill to use. Personally if lag wasn't such an issue I would select one over a MP any time, but the way it is, 'spray and pray' is what works.
The way things are with lag and jerky controls, I find I can miss at close range with a shotgun more than I would care to admit to  My chances with a scrambler pistol are just laughable.
Leave it as it is. |
Cat Powers III
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
17
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:42:00 -
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I am just starting to prefer the Scrambler over the SMG. I've only put one level into both of the mentioned sidearm skills so I've not used anything above basic though I have "salvaged" a boatload of some high meta level. Mainly I prefer the pistol with my Heavy because of the range, used it to scare or snipe some red dots in tight spots. One match I got two head shots about 30 seconds apart and felt like a hot shot. But my question is about this 450% damage to the head, where did we get this info? Also how much more zoom does the tactical offer from anyone with experience? |
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Grenwal Hiesenberg
Shadow Company HQ
225
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:43:00 -
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xAckie wrote:
yeah, but unless they changed it from a few build ago (and if they have the I am totally stupid) then it would often pass the side-arm and go to a nanohive or something (I presume again due to input lag). Not the best thing mid fight. Will try again this afternoon and see idiotic I have been by not using it...
They did. It now cycles between primary and secondary weapons only, you have to hold it down to get to your equipment. |
Grenwal Hiesenberg
Shadow Company HQ
225
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Posted - 2012.11.01 11:48:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I practiced with the scrambler pistol every now and then and I find it rather difficult to use. Without the proper skill book and the actual skills that come with experience, my pistol is best used as a melee weapon. I don't find it OP.
As for where the line is drawn for what is considered OP, that is subjective and thus varies in opinion from one merc to another. Therefore I am in no position to debate with you where that line is drawn.
I concur, I have it as a secondary on most of my suits, put some SP into it and becomes a pretty great weapon. That being said, with so few rounds it's not really practical against an organised squad where members actually stay close to one another and communicate. |
dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.11.01 12:01:00 -
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Pistol is not overpowered. High damage, small magazine, low range.
Working as intended. |
Cat Powers III
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
17
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Posted - 2012.11.01 12:04:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Pistol is not overpowered. High damage, small magazine, low range.
Working as intended.
Is the range that low? Maybe I'm just really used to having a pistol with my HMG (and thus the dramatic difference). It's no super AR that machines me down from halfway across the map but the range seems nice to me (and accurate, I know I'm a horrible shot but the bullets go where I point). |
Fargen Icehole
SyNergy Gaming
67
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Posted - 2012.11.01 12:06:00 -
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Not sure if they should be touched....
BUT, they ARE a little OP. I see the Crimson's point.
Just think about it. In many other FPS, a typical pistol can 3-4shot you, and has under 10 rounds. The typical AR or LMG in said FPS can usually 4-6 shot you. Pistol is only slightly stronger, and has much less ammo capacity in the mag/drum/etc. This makes it a good BACKUP weapon. (what you would expect a sidearm to be)
In this game, the pistol has similar ammo capacity as other FPS, BUT, it does double and almost TRIPLE the damage that ARs and LMGs do. (depending on pistol) This takes it out of the realm of being a back up weapon, and makes it a viable main weapon.
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Jak Teston
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.11.01 12:16:00 -
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If anyone thinks the scramblers are OP then please go ahead and make a pistol only dropsuit (why yes, you can fit a scrambler in both weapon slots) and dominate until CCP realizes they need to fix it. Don't write fancy posts on the forum, demonstrate it in action.
FYI: I'm using the scramblers as primary weapons in game and I don't come out nearly as good as with a militia AR. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
169
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Posted - 2012.11.01 12:24:00 -
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>pistols suddenly OP
lol... |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2012.11.01 14:48:00 -
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I dont think they are OP but they are definitely a good weapon choice. I was surprised when I picked up a militia pistol and found that I could easily take and completely annihilate enemies. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.11.01 15:40:00 -
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I don't want to see pistols ruined... |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
425
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Posted - 2012.11.01 15:56:00 -
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The ONLY thing I'd do to pistols, is SLIGHTLY increase the damage drop at medium-far range. If anything. |
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