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WHz DS9899
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.10.28 03:03:00 -
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Now if I remember correctly, CCP said that there will be maps that get up to 50 sq. km. That's one huge ass map, and I want something to be small and fast to cross a map that big. The first thing that comes to mind is Hover Bikes, one because it fits, and two because they are so awesome! If we do get these, then they sould come in 3 forms:
Light: as the name implies, it would be the lighest, and least armored, but has the fastest speed. at proto level, it should outrun a dropship. It would come with one Super light vehicle weapon (look it up, as I discuessed it before.), and three vehicle equipment slots (same as the super light). this one would also be almost dead quiet quiet, and can only hold one person.
Standard: this would be the regular Hover Bike. It would have medium armor, and shields, and at advanced level, ourtrun a LAV, and at proto level, barely keep up with a Dropship. It would get 2 weapon and 2 equipment slots. The standard Hover Bike would be as loud as the LAV, and can hold two people.
Heavy: This one is the one you would want to use to charge into battle. It is the slowest, barely keeping up with a LAV up to advanced. and outrunning them at proto; but they have the most armor. A Heavy Hover Bike Would have 3 weapon and 1 equipment slots. It would be 3/4's loud as a dropship, and two people. The heavy bike gets one unique feature- it could be able to "drag" a support drop by a cable
The people sitting on the back of the Standard and Heavy bikes should be able to shoot their guns while on the bike. |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
197
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Posted - 2012.10.28 03:06:00 -
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why are you so insistent on light standard and heavy version of everything? |
Angrim Khan
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.10.28 03:09:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:Now if I remember correctly, CCP said that there will be maps that get up to 50 sq. km. That's one huge ass map, and I want something to be small and fast to cross a map that big. The first thing that comes to mind is Hover Bikes, one because it fits, and two because they are so awesome! If we do get these, then they sould come in 3 forms: Light: as the name implies, it would be the lighest, and least armored, but has the fastest speed. at proto level, it should outrun a dropship. It would come with one Super light vehicle weapon (look it up, as I discuessed it before.), and three vehicle equipment slots (same as the super light). this one would also be almost dead quiet quiet, and can only hold one person. Standard: this would be the regular Hover Bike. It would have medium armor, and shields, and at advanced level, ourtrun a LAV, and at proto level, barely keep up with a Dropship. It would get 2 weapon and 2 equipment slots. The standard Hover Bike would be as loud as the LAV, and can hold two people. Heavy: This one is the one you would want to use to charge into battle. It is the slowest, barely keeping up with a LAV up to advanced. and outrunning them at proto; but they have the most armor. A Heavy Hover Bike Would have 3 weapon and 1 equipment slots. It would be 3/4's loud as a dropship, and two people. The heavy bike gets one unique feature- it could be able to "drag" a support drop by a cable The people sitting on the back of the Standard and Heavy bikes should be able to shoot their guns while on the bike.
Sounds almost like you are after some sort of 'hover tank' for the heavy at least. My personal image of a however bike is more like ones out of 'starwars' (cheesy I know), fast transport with no armour and perhaps a few forward facing machine guns.
On the other hand, following your idea of the 'heavy' hover bike, a light 'hover tank' a la the alien ones in Halo (used as light transports iirc) would be incredible. A couple of forward facing guns and a light turret of sorts. Able to carry a squad in addition. Basically a ground hugging dropship? Basic idea sounds really good though. Would be massive fun and extremely useful. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.28 03:21:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:why are you so insistent on light standard and heavy version of everything?
That's like asking why do people like different guns. verity, upsides & downsides, and balance. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.10.28 03:38:00 -
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I wish all the ground vehicles were hover vehicles. Feels really outdated that all the ground vehicles are basically just regular tanks and humvees. |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
197
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Posted - 2012.10.28 03:50:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:Ops Fox wrote:why are you so insistent on light standard and heavy version of everything? That's like asking why do people like different guns. verity, upsides & downsides, and balance.
arnt the normal racial difference(amarr, mimitar, gallente and caldari) enough, or the simple tier variation, or natural difference between ones with different slots and gears layout enough, or 8 vehicles on release enough?
get my point now 1 or 2 variation of slots and stats, 4 racial variation, 4 tier variations and 8 vehicles comes to around 192 different vehicles to choose from and you want to increase it by more? not to point out the obvious but even if CCP decides to throw having varition out the door thats still 128 different vehicles for you to choose from to have each one have light standard and heavy version would be insane.
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Angrim Khan
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.10.28 03:51:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I wish all the ground vehicles were hover vehicles. Feels really outdated that all the ground vehicles are basically just regular tanks and humvees.
Particularly when they handle so poorly over the terrain.
Futuristic? More like WW2 standard. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.10.28 05:59:00 -
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A scout can out run wwii tanks, can't out run a hav.
Having wheels is like being in ancient time, cars by the the 1980's would fly...oh wait it's not the 1950s. Tracks and wheels will probably do there job in EvE's time as well as today, and have a pro/con compared to the hover devices used along side. My guess would be traks could support a heavier load for a heavy tank.
The medium assault vehicle implied by medium vehicle icon on loading screen could be a hover tank.
I also like the idea of hover bike as default vehicle instead of lav, unarmed but sidecar lets passenger fire his equipped weapon.
The 50km map comment in fanfest video was about what they could do, not what was planned(5km maps, still big map that needs transport. Same size as fallout 3's map). If there is a large amount of air/fast vehicles in game and maps are small for it they can make 50km maps without changing any code. Perhaps when we get air battles in gas planets?
If they add hover vehicles I suggest looking at the pirate expansion of borderlands for control scheme, the sand skiff is just so fun to drive. They need to make it hover just above merc heads, way to easy to run things over with it. Or maybe a hover vehicle could do damage about equal to melee attack and changes stance to pass over rather then kill, so knelling enemies can't be hit. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.28 08:21:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:Now if I remember correctly, CCP said that there will be maps that get up to 50 sq. km. That's one huge ass map, and I want something to be small and fast to cross a map that big.
This is what LAVs and drop ships will be for. |
Raze galder
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.10.28 12:44:00 -
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Starhawk did a great version of a hover bike it could only hold one person though but was fairly quick u could jump in it shoot from a standstill and could use it to get to places with out people seeing a jeep coming down the road. |
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WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.28 19:48:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:Now if I remember correctly, CCP said that there will be maps that get up to 50 sq. km. That's one huge ass map, and I want something to be small and fast to cross a map that big. This is what LAVs and drop ships will be for.
You don't know how to read a sentsnce fully, now do you? Now, I will repeat the sentence, but highlight: Now if I remember correctly, CCP said that there will be maps that get up to 50 sq. km. That's one huge ass map, and I want something to be small and fast to cross a map that big |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.28 23:11:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:Now if I remember correctly, CCP said that there will be maps that get up to 50 sq. km. That's one huge ass map, and I want something to be small and fast to cross a map that big. This is what LAVs and drop ships will be for. You don't know how to read a sentsnce fully, now do you? Now, I will repeat the sentence, but highlight: Now if I remember correctly, CCP said that there will be maps that get up to 50 sq. km. That's one huge ass map, and I want something to be small and fast to cross a map that big
You need to work on your comprehension now don't you? (If this made me sound like an idiot, just think how it made you sound when you did similar.)
No. I read it fully and understood. Just stating that there's already something meant for what you're saying you want the hover bikes for... Transport. Doesn't matter to me what armed and size variants you want. Your first point was transport. All else was irrelevant as far as I was concerned. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.31 00:25:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:Now if I remember correctly, CCP said that there will be maps that get up to 50 sq. km. That's one huge ass map, and I want something to be small and fast to cross a map that big. This is what LAVs and drop ships will be for. You don't know how to read a sentsnce fully, now do you? Now, I will repeat the sentence, but highlight: Now if I remember correctly, CCP said that there will be maps that get up to 50 sq. km. That's one huge ass map, and I want something to be small and fast to cross a map that big You need to work on your comprehension now don't you? (If this made me sound like an idiot, just think how it made you sound when you did similar.) No. I read it fully and understood. Just stating that there's already something meant for what you're saying you want the hover bikes for... Transport. Doesn't matter to me what armed and size variants you want. Your first point was transport. All else was irrelevant as far as I was concerned.
Actually, you didn't understand at all, or you didn't read it. Like I said, I wanted something fast and small. Dropships are too big and LAV's are sore thumbs that are easy targets. The Hover Bikes are neither. |
Washlee
UnReaL.
131
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:10:00 -
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I like the hover bike deal but heavy hover bike no thats in my mind stupid and pointless. The Hover bike should have 1 set of blasters ( Or choice of weapons) |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:41:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:Actually, you didn't understand at all, or you didn't read it. Like I said, I wanted something fast and small. Dropships are too big and LAV's are sore thumbs that are easy targets. The Hover Bikes are neither.
Like a dog with a bone aren't you?
It doesn't matter if it's fast and small. Your primary point was rapid transport and that's what LAV's are for as far as rapid overland transport is concerned.
I doubt very seriously that CCP is going to put in another form of ground transport when you can already call in a free LAV. And if they did implement it correctly, you'd end up with at most a lightly armed transport, that moves slightly faster than a LAV, with all the toughness of unmounted infantry, that can be locked onto with SWARMs.
If I thought it was something CCP might do, I'd be +1ing you and asking for the addition of a heat lance, blade vanes, and cluster caltrops. |
Deranged Disaster
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
65
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Posted - 2012.10.31 07:12:00 -
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Hover bikes sound like a good idea, but like some other people stated I don't think it would be nessecary to add anything else on them, a basic hoverbike without any guns or anything would be good.Being able to outrun swarm launchers would be great too, since they should have low armor. |
S-0-A
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.10.31 14:02:00 -
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Good idea, hover bikes in this game would suit very well as its meant to be very futuristic, and i think the light hover bike should just have 1 light machine gun attached on the front of the bike to shoot and can only take down mercs, and the medium hover bike should have 1 mini gun attached to take down mercs and enemy bikes, and the heavy hover bike should have 1 mini gun and 1 rocket launcher attached to the front and that should be able to take down mercs, bikes, and with the launcher it should be able to take down the car with a couple of shots. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:58:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:Actually, you didn't understand at all, or you didn't read it. Like I said, I wanted something fast and small. Dropships are too big and LAV's are sore thumbs that are easy targets. The Hover Bikes are neither. Like a dog with a bone aren't you? It doesn't matter if it's fast and small. Your primary point was rapid transport and that's what LAV's are for as far as rapid overland transport is concerned. I doubt very seriously that CCP is going to put in another form of ground transport when you can already call in a free LAV. And if they did implement it correctly, you'd end up with at most a lightly armed transport, that moves slightly faster than a LAV, with all the toughness of unmounted infantry, that can be locked onto with SWARMs. If I thought it was something CCP might do, I'd be +1ing you and asking for the addition of a heat lance, blade vanes, and cluster caltrops.
you seem not to get the point. The hover bike wiould be a more solo vehicle. and it wouldn't be justfor transport; there for drive-by combat (just so you won't be confused, it's when you go back and forth, or go past an area and try to kill as many enmies as possible.). There also could be for logi bros trying to get from point a to b faster than they do now with a LAV (or even with the LLV that's supposed to be coming.). |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:45:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:Actually, you didn't understand at all, or you didn't read it. Like I said, I wanted something fast and small. Dropships are too big and LAV's are sore thumbs that are easy targets. The Hover Bikes are neither. Like a dog with a bone aren't you? It doesn't matter if it's fast and small. Your primary point was rapid transport and that's what LAV's are for as far as rapid overland transport is concerned. I doubt very seriously that CCP is going to put in another form of ground transport when you can already call in a free LAV. And if they did implement it correctly, you'd end up with at most a lightly armed transport, that moves slightly faster than a LAV, with all the toughness of unmounted infantry, that can be locked onto with SWARMs. If I thought it was something CCP might do, I'd be +1ing you and asking for the addition of a heat lance, blade vanes, and cluster caltrops. you seem not to get the point. The hover bike wiould be a more solo vehicle. and it wouldn't be justfor transport; there for drive-by combat (just so you won't be confused, it's when you go back and forth, or go past an area and try to kill as many enmies as possible.). There also could be for logi bros trying to get from point a to b faster than they do now with a LAV (or even with the LLV that's supposed to be coming.).
1. You can stop being a #unt just because someone disagrees with you.
2. My point still stands. It's unnecessary. I never said it wouldn't be fun. I never said it wasn't a good idea. I merely stated that CCP actually giving us hoverbikes, when we already have LAVs, is highly improbable. After all, I did say "If I thought it was something CCP might do, I'd be +1ing you and asking for the addition of a heat lance, blade vanes, and cluster caltrops." |
Edu Ashbourne
Doomheim
54
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Posted - 2012.11.05 07:10:00 -
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I don't really go for this "We can get by with just this, so why add anything else?" attitude. Way too many games suffer from oversimplification these days and I say give Dust more stuff!
I like the idea of more personal vehicles anyway. They tend to get overlooked for the larger 'driver and gunner' stuff, simply because they support cooperative play. I guess with a bike you could have a passenger ride in the back but that should be it.
Only trouble I can think of with smaller vehicles is deployment. It's going to look silly when a massive carrier decloaks in to deliver your tiny bicycle. Maybe instead it delivers a container with multiple bikes? Would be handy at the start of a match we everybody needs to move out of the base.
Or forego the carrier altogether and deploy in a new way? Drops similar to how players are spawned on the field or something. Faster and lower risk then carriers but limited to 'man size' items. |
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WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:24:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:Actually, you didn't understand at all, or you didn't read it. Like I said, I wanted something fast and small. Dropships are too big and LAV's are sore thumbs that are easy targets. The Hover Bikes are neither. Like a dog with a bone aren't you? It doesn't matter if it's fast and small. Your primary point was rapid transport and that's what LAV's are for as far as rapid overland transport is concerned. I doubt very seriously that CCP is going to put in another form of ground transport when you can already call in a free LAV. And if they did implement it correctly, you'd end up with at most a lightly armed transport, that moves slightly faster than a LAV, with all the toughness of unmounted infantry, that can be locked onto with SWARMs. If I thought it was something CCP might do, I'd be +1ing you and asking for the addition of a heat lance, blade vanes, and cluster caltrops. you seem not to get the point. The hover bike wiould be a more solo vehicle. and it wouldn't be justfor transport; there for drive-by combat (just so you won't be confused, it's when you go back and forth, or go past an area and try to kill as many enmies as possible.). There also could be for logi bros trying to get from point a to b faster than they do now with a LAV (or even with the LLV that's supposed to be coming.). 1. You can stop being a #unt just because someone disagrees with you. 2. My point still stands. It's unnecessary. I never said it wouldn't be fun. I never said it wasn't a good idea. I merely stated that CCP actually giving us hoverbikes, when we already have LAVs, is highly improbable. After all, I did say "If I thought it was something CCP might do, I'd be +1ing you and asking for the addition of a heat lance, blade vanes, and cluster caltrops."
But the LAV's and hover bikes would have a different role, because of size and crew. Since their smaller and faster, they're more of a "stealth" vehicle that most other vehicles like tanks won't even bother with you. And I'm not being a "#unt". You are not reading and thinking about it, and instead wanting to argue saying that it would be usless, when in fact these could win or lose a game. Just think about it. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:28:00 -
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Edu Ashbourne wrote:I don't really go for this "We can get by with just this, so why add anything else?" attitude. Way too many games suffer from oversimplification these days and I say give Dust more stuff!
I like the idea of more personal vehicles anyway. They tend to get overlooked for the larger 'driver and gunner' stuff, simply because they support cooperative play. I guess with a bike you could have a passenger ride in the back but that should be it.
Only trouble I can think of with smaller vehicles is deployment. It's going to look silly when a massive carrier decloaks in to deliver your tiny bicycle. Maybe instead it delivers a container with multiple bikes? Would be handy at the start of a match we everybody needs to move out of the base.
Or forego the carrier altogether and deploy in a new way? Drops similar to how players are spawned on the field or something. Faster and lower risk then carriers but limited to 'man size' items.
Good point.... It could drop in from a crate (like on those huge ass barges IRL) and would carry 2 bikes always. |
xMarauder
Doomheim
139
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:21:00 -
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Very interesting idea. Except I can't really picture a heavy hover bike.
Also since these are hover bikes... They won't be able to run a heavy over right? Last thing I want is to be run over by a hover bike It's ridiculous enough LAVs don't get damaged from running a heavy over... |
Onar Kion
Dark Horizon Industries
26
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:42:00 -
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I have to say I don't want a personal hover bike that is armed, you'll get endless circle strafing against infantry. It would look stupid and silly. You would see majority of the time on them doing circles. Or come in at 80 mph, slide side ways shoot, then go back going straight.
Vanu in Planetside 2 has a hover tank.
If there is hover does that mean we can have a EMP explosive that shorts it out and makes it drop for a bit?
I say more team work, if the map is huge, get on a dropship, and deploy from it work together. One you deploy the dropships satellite to give you cover fire. No personal vehicles so everyone can lone wolf it.
Dust needs a APC and a Dropship. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.11.07 05:32:00 -
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xMarauder wrote:Very interesting idea. Except I can't really picture a heavy hover bike.
Also since these are hover bikes... They won't be able to run a heavy over right? Last thing I want is to be run over by a hover bike It's ridiculous enough LAVs don't get damaged from running a heavy over...
Yes and no. Whst I mean by that is that if youhit someone, unless your in the Heavy, you would take more damage depending on what they are (we could even put in the chance of falling off the bike?) |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.11.07 05:36:00 -
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Onar Kion wrote:I have to say I don't want a personal hover bike that is armed, you'll get endless circle strafing against infantry. It would look stupid and silly. You would see majority of the time on them doing circles. Or come in at 80 mph, slide side ways shoot, then go back going straight.
Vanu in Planetside 2 has a hover tank.
If there is hover does that mean we can have a EMP explosive that shorts it out and makes it drop for a bit?
I say more team work, if the map is huge, get on a dropship, and deploy from it work together. One you deploy the dropships satellite to give you cover fire. No personal vehicles so everyone can lone wolf it.
Dust needs a APC and a Dropship.
Well, I'm what's called a team lone wolf. I still help my team, but I also like to sneak around by myself. Sadly, I can't in this game because there's no well thought out stealth aspects in the game YET. WHen there is, this should be one of them. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.11.07 05:44:00 -
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UPDATE: for the people who don'tget some of the things, let me explain:
Prime objective: The Hover Bike's main obj. is to be a gap bewteen infintry & vehicles. The guns are for self defence, and can only shoot the way the bike is pointing. It's not just a transport either; they can be used for battle (that's what theheavy HB is for).
Heavy HB: this one is a slow, heavy armored one. Think of it as a Warhorse.
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STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.11.07 06:30:00 -
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HHB: terrible idea in any context.
This isn't your run of the mill solo shoot em up, this is supposed to be a game where teamwork is necessary, not a laughable trial |
Zat Earthshatter
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2012.11.07 07:29:00 -
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I like the concept of the hover bike, but I find issue with your "heavy" bike. If you're knowingly entering "heavy" combat in a small vehicle, it should be an LAV - I dare you to out-shoot a 360 degree turret in a bike. In my opinion, they should be a sort of "horse" for scouts that need to to fight as guerrillas, attacking and quickly disappearing in a cloud of dust. That means a fast bike without weapons, as you don't need mounted weapons if you know how to use hit-and-run tactics. |
Onar Kion
Dark Horizon Industries
26
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:56:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:Onar Kion wrote:I have to say I don't want a personal hover bike that is armed, you'll get endless circle strafing against infantry. It would look stupid and silly. You would see majority of the time on them doing circles. Or come in at 80 mph, slide side ways shoot, then go back going straight.
Vanu in Planetside 2 has a hover tank.
If there is hover does that mean we can have a EMP explosive that shorts it out and makes it drop for a bit?
I say more team work, if the map is huge, get on a dropship, and deploy from it work together. One you deploy the dropships satellite to give you cover fire. No personal vehicles so everyone can lone wolf it.
Dust needs a APC and a Dropship. Well, I'm what's called a team lone wolf. I still help my team, but I also like to sneak around by myself. Sadly, I can't in this game because there's no well thought out stealth aspects in the game YET. WHen there is, this should be one of them.
I want team work over a bunch of single players out for themselves. If you want to lone wolf but help the team ok, but you don't need a hover bike for this. Ask your dropship pilot to fly over a area you want to set your ambush at, then jump out. Then set up your position.
As it is now, so many matchs I am in you see solo LAV guy driving around.
But sadly I feel FPS are going to the lowest common type of player. The run and gun. I'd like a slower shooter, were tactic's when battles, not super fast meat shields that can take hundreds of rounds. And the only tactic is swarm. |
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