Good game.

Clone depletion.

SI had 126 clones left.

Hats off 2 wtf was a very good fight.

dont care about who brought what but the lag was unplayable. cant make a step forward and use the swarm to kill pesky flyers and tanks

When SI looses a corp battle or torny battle you wont see any QQ from us.

To be fair, you're the ones abusing Dropships, not other people. Of course you won't QQ.

Yes lag was quite bad both sides, i lost count on how many times my connection froze :(

well played WTF

To be fair, everyone can use dropships...

With that said, I hope this makes it clear for CCP that the turrets are way too strong.

I may have had 4 real infantry fights overall.
I watched scores and in the end. Half of the SI team with the main vehicles and it would have ended the same way. You could have played without trying to get any objectives and you would have clone depleted us anyway.

Conclusion : An interesting fight to show real flaws in the game at this stage. Vehicle turrets are way too powerfull imo.

Also, but i think it was for every player. What a massive amount of Lag

We dont QQ sha kahrn, we just state the obvious. If we wanted to win we should have played with 3 myron so GG to you.
yet it doesnt change the fact that we had planned counters for those overwhelming vehicles and even if we took down 2 or 3 of those dropships, they kept comin back and were almost untouchable compared to the damage they were inflicting.

It's a tournament beta. Should help tweak the game. That's why it is interesting to talk about it.

To be fair, you're the ones abusing Dropships, not other people. Of course you won't QQ.

Still solo foot squad jack boost 10:1 ... and second place. So dont tell only vehicles.

Anyway good fight.

Very much interested in the Rosters

Abusing? They are working as inteded.

Still solo foot squad jack boost 10:1 ... and second place. So dont tell only vehicles.

Anyway good fight.

Ya not to sound like a douche or get involved here, but you should of expected people to use dropships, of course people will flock to the OP thing thats how all video games work. Regardless this tournament was rushed and is already a joke so i wouldn't feel to bad on urselfs WTF. Hopefully CCP learns from this, all we can ask.

jack boost got lag help. nothing to be proud of. we still kill you in normal games

Ya not to sound like a douche or get involved here, but you should of expected people to use dropships, of course people will flock to the OP thing thats how all video games work. Regardless this tournament was rushed and is already a joke so i wouldn't feel to bad on urselfs WTF. Hopefully CCP learns from this, all we can ask.

Everyone can use a dropship, but at the moment, no one of us like this gaming style.

Well, GJ to SI, but it wasn't a GG...

We expected it. And had things planned but they were pretty much inefficient basically. At some point, almost every ones effort was focused on it. And even then it still had the upper hand. Not mentionning that the rest of SI was having a fun time while we were at it.

We couldnt just say "hey let's have a myron ourselves like that" in less than 2 weeks lol. I wont say everything we had as tourney still rolls but believe me when i say we had A LOT of things planned ^^

not sure about that. Are dropship intended to be almost untouchable death machines like they are at the moment ? I hope not tbh. What this match tells me is that dust is going to end up being a vehicle fest. And it's definitely not what i expect from it.

Also, we played a map favoring vehicles as it s pretty wide open.

We could have done better no doubt about it but it s way harder when you need almost half your team to counter one vehicle with two guys in it.

Ya i hear you man. We had the pleasure of playing STB the day DUST got all the money from Eve so we exp'd the never ending vehicle spam too, you take one out theres another to replace it and it forces you to use half ur team on AV. Like i said, all we can hope for is CCP to learn from this maybe, just maybe get some better balanced tournaments in the future. Cause yes for now, Vehicle spam will win you a corp battle no problem(not to mention whichever corps have stock piled assets up from the Eve->Dust money).

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Very good fight ?
Meode in its dropship turret did 25% of the work. Swarm launchers and FG woulnt hit it at all. Also, turrets pretty much OSing people ?
And two tanks did half the rest of the job.

I may have had 4 real infantry fights overall.
I watched scores and in the end. Half of the SI team with the main vehicles and it would have ended the same way. You could have played without trying to get any objectives and you would have clone depleted us anyway.

Conclusion : An interesting fight to show real flaws in the game at this stage. Vehicle turrets are way too powerfull imo.

Also, but i think it was for every player. What a massive amount of Lag

So you are telling me, you did not expect this to be a vehicile fest, when it was made by the makers of EVE, which is, a spaceship fest.

Please explain.

The problem is that the CCP reset isk but not vehicles and items obtained with this isk (eve) and it was clearly seen that the seraphim were supported above and victory is only played on it. ...

5 point

This was a kitten laggy game, also you use OP things to win. Turrets are just amazing.. You know what is the definition of a D R O P S H I P ??

This was a kitten laggy game, also you use OP things to win. Turrets are just amazing.. You know what is the definition of a D R O P S H I P ??

If you guys had to pick between the two; Turrets and Vehicles, what would you say was the bigger factor for victory / loss?

Better tactics and troop deployment.

So neither really.

I guess maybe I framed the question wrong. It seems like people are contending that turrets and vehicles were major issues in the battle. So what created more of a damper for victory; vehicles or turrets?

I would expect better tactics to win the battle, but there's always the "X" factor.

[quote=olssam 62]... I've earned 2mill a day roughly all week playing militia fits in preparation and not cared about my k/d. Possibly more...

I'm really surprised at how WTF appears to be poor losers in regards to the latest battle.

Both teams played in the same environment.
Both teams could have requisitioned the same available weapon systems.

Yet, all I hear are excuses.

Congrats on your win, SI.

I'm really surprised at how WTF appears to be poor losers in regards to the latest battle.

Both teams played in the same environment.
Both teams could have requisitioned the same available weapon systems.

Yet, all I hear are excuses.

Congrats on your win, SI.

ignorance is bliss.... keep on trolling

Irony much?

does not work on the interwebs...

So once more... This was on 5 pt map? New one with C center and spire? Or old one with Biomass/Comms?

So once more... This was on 5 pt map? New one with C center and spire? Or old one with Biomass/Comms?

I've said it since the beginning the drop ships should not have rocket launchers. Instead they should be using a rapid fire weapon a more powerful HMG perhaps? Same with the tanks.

I guess maybe I framed the question wrong. It seems like people are contending that turrets and vehicles were major issues in the battle. So what created more of a damper for victory; vehicles or turrets?

I would expect better tactics to win the battle, but there's always the "X" factor.

Those dropships are like never ending precision strikes.

At the very least, they need to at least place a cooldown on those blasters in the dropships.

Seriously good players will always stick to that what works the best and because this game has a lot of vehicles which are very strong they will use that. if you don't stay on a competitive lvl of gear you will get defeated.

To be fair, everyone can use dropships...

With that said, I hope this makes it clear for CCP that the turrets are way too strong.

All is fair in love and war.... Don't in anyway discount our gun game it's there.

SI played some terrific matches today using what the game provided, and depending on who we face our tactics will change, but in this case Sha's decisions were right on and our players did a terrific job analyzing the battle field then using the tools given to us to control it. Bashing in anyway after the battle is something that should never happen, I'm sure players had strengths on the other teams that were not utilized due to the direction of the battle, but once again its a "WAR game" and if people are confused with the concept :

War is an organized, armed, and, often, a prolonged conflict that is carried on between states, nations, or other parties typified by extreme aggression, social disruption, and usually high mortality.[1][2] War should be understood as an actual, intentional and widespread armed conflict between political communities, and therefore is defined as a form of political violence.[1][3] The set of techniques used by a group to carry out war is known as warfare.


Armies will always use the best tactics and weapons in their arsenal to win said battles it is part of the techniques that make up "Warfare ".

Great job to everyone who participated, and to those that won or lost with dignity!

well duh, CCP shouldn't of been balancing this beta based on non Team vs.Team matches in the 1st place.

CCP should have added corp support LONG AGO... then they would have massive amounts of data in regards to how these maps are REALLY going to be played, how gear and vehicles are REALLY going to be exploited and how the economy is REALLY going to flow...

For a game that the entire concept is centered directly on CORP (clan) meta game and tactics on large scale maps in an even larger universe....

I wonder why they have waited so long to actually start beta testing the CORPS ...

This current beta build and this tourney are a good start in the right direction by CCP in my opinion...

Getting back to the core roots of the very concept of DUST 514...


The Mercenary Corps

But I can't take out of my mind this question : why the game was so stable against GAC (a EU Corp) on a EU server ? It felt like a game. Against you, it was a war against lag and game playability. It wasn't a game at all, because with the same forces than you on our side, we won't have a any chance either...

After first two matches CCP resets servers.
If this helps.. good.

That's true...

Well, I really don't blame SI. And obviously, I didn't see before this morning that you could fit small missile turret prototype on a milicia dropship with so few SPs (WTF?????)... Add a gunner with passives turrets skills, and it's really OS all the time. Well, I'm working on my piloting...

But trust me when I tell you that I aimed a tank with a Forge, HUD was red, standing on the road in front of him (he was aiming C, not me) and bullets just went through !!!

So tell me how was it possible to Sir Meode to make 40+ kills with a dropship everytime in mouvement with same lags that I'd got ???????

dedicated vehicle users putting all SP gains into one area thats how

Just the point "Turret Prototype" on "Milicia, lvl1 dropship". This is unbalance...

Just the point "Turret Prototype" on "Milicia, lvl1 dropship". This is unbalance...

pretty sure u can fit a prototype AR on a militia dropsuit
i dont see the difference tbh
hes gonna have less options elsewhere fitting wise

Thing is though, that proto gun on militia assault suit will eat up over half your cpu. It doesnt eat half your cpu on the dropship.
dropship can fly in circles with no tank mods needed and avoid getting shot. Militia suit with proto gun has no tank and dies by ground shrapnel flying up into his eye when a missile from dropship lands 10m by him

Well swarms are broken thats for sure but lets not forget we lost 4-7 dropships in that one game to forgegun fire.

Forgeguns eat anything in skilled hands and while I would like to cry nerf the sniper forgegun I simply cant while swarms remain so bwrokenz.

I do hope one is not suggesting foul play.

Absolutely not Sha, I just want to say that I'll accept fairly defeat in a good environnement...

You're for sure in the favorite group to win the tournament, but i'd like to play a game against you as we played against GAC, and I'll be checking this evening too against MAPHIA (if they show up)

I guess maybe I framed the question wrong. It seems like people are contending that turrets and vehicles were major issues in the battle. So what created more of a damper for victory; vehicles or turrets?

I would expect better tactics to win the battle, but there's always the "X" factor.

I want an infantry battle against my SI friends. Just to see your gun game one time... Are you ok?
Also WTF is working too on an easy way to win

Be prepared to see my little ass in the fly...

and be prepared to see forgeguns on the ground. And i highly doubt that you can get that amount of SP to get your dropship on the same lvl as mine. Oh and by the way i got a SSD no freezing while flying so good luck you will need it to proper fly a dropship with a normal HDD.

Dropships and tanks are way too easy to get into SP wise if you ask me. Personally I hate tanks and am fast becoming a dropship hater also.
Not even going into how little they cost considering thier performance.

Would be nice to see some district bunkers underground or in massive facilitys that the infantry can fight it out in without getting missiled to hell and back.

Also yea nerf small missiles and buff small rail and blasters.


I know I tend2 troll but this isnt one of those posts.