DUST Search - Are there any benefits of the Type II Assault dropsuit?

Buzzwords wrote:

against most weapons, it's just plain better. sure you lose armor, but you gain MORE shields than you lost in armor, for a net gain in total health.

not to mention shields recharge without needing a module.

it also has a small CPU/PG advantage over the type-I

it also moves slightly faster.

so unless everybody on the other team is using laser rifles and scrambler pistols, the type-II is better than the type-I (laser weapons are supposed to deal more damage to shields than other types, but we have no idea by how much. so the type-II might be better even THEN.)

if you're really dieing faster then the only thing i can think of is: do you have mechanics at like 5 but shield management at like 0? seeing as these are % based EHP buffs, the type-I stands to gain more from mechanics as it has higher base armor. that being said i'm not sure, off the top of my head, that the difference is large enough even comparing 5 to 0 for the type-I to ever actually have more total hitpoints.

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Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:21:00 - [1] - Quote It has way more shield,but has f**kall for armor,and I've found that I'm actually taking less shots to get killed on with it.So what's the point of actually having it? does anyone see any benefits from using it?
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:28:00 - [2] - Quote It has a higher movement rate and sprint speed, and also is a shield type, which automatically makes it better than any others, due to CCP logic.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:32:00 - [3] - Quote Shield repairs faster, and doesn't require you to spend a module slot. If CCP ever release a Type-II BPO pack like the Type-I weekend offer I'd buy it immediately. It all depends on your playstyle, and when you're avoiding direct frontal confrontations the shield tank is preferable.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:50:00 - [4] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Shield repairs faster, and doesn't require you to spend a module slot. If CCP ever release a Type-II BPO pack like the Type-I weekend offer I'd buy it immediately. It all depends on your playstyle, and when you're avoiding direct frontal confrontations the shield tank is preferable. Still seems that higher tier weapons just rip though that shield in no time,and without any armor,you don't really have any survivability at that point.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:53:00 - [5] - Quote against most weapons, it's just plain better. sure you lose armor, but you gain MORE shields than you lost in armor, for a net gain in total health. not to mention shields recharge without needing a module. it also has a small CPU/PG advantage over the type-I it also moves slightly faster. so unless everybody on the other team is using laser rifles and scrambler pistols, the type-II is better than the type-I (laser weapons are supposed to deal more damage to shields than other types, but we have no idea by how much. so the type-II might be better even THEN.) if you're really dieing faster then the only thing i can think of is: do you have mechanics at like 5 but shield management at like 0? seeing as these are % based EHP buffs, the type-I stands to gain more from mechanics as it has higher base armor. that being said i'm not sure, off the top of my head, that the difference is large enough even comparing 5 to 0 for the type-I to ever actually have more total hitpoints.
Quickgloves SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 327	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:56:00 - [6] - Quote 1 extra module if u fit it right ie = to proto suit meet me in private ill walk u through building it last build my kdr in assualt 2 was 7.8 30- 3 matches regular
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:04:00 - [7] - Quote Buzzwords wrote: against most weapons, it's just plain better. sure you lose armor, but you gain MORE shields than you lost in armor, for a net gain in total health. not to mention shields recharge without needing a module. it also has a small CPU/PG advantage over the type-I it also moves slightly faster. so unless everybody on the other team is using laser rifles and scrambler pistols, the type-II is better than the type-I (laser weapons are supposed to deal more damage to shields than other types, but we have no idea by how much. so the type-II might be better even THEN.) if you're really dieing faster then the only thing i can think of is: do you have mechanics at like 5 but shield management at like 0? seeing as these are % based EHP buffs, the type-I stands to gain more from mechanics as it has higher base armor. that being said i'm not sure, off the top of my head, that the difference is large enough even comparing 5 to 0 for the type-I to ever actually have more total hitpoints. Mechanics level is at 5,and my shield management is at level 3. IDK,I'm just not seeing the benefits right now,and I have an enhanced shield regulator and a militia shield extender.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:15:00 - [8] - Quote ungodly fits that is your benefit. you cannot beter it in real play. dont fit it like you would an eve ship , mix and match. same goes for your skill build.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:16:00 - [9] - Quote Armor is more or less worthless compared to shields. And it's not really just CCP being silly, I understand where that comes from since this takes place in the EVE universe. In EVE (these are just generalizations or course) shield focused ships hit hard and are high offense low defense. Armor tanked ships tend to do less DPS and are low offense high defense. You can see this in the original version of the heavies and there were many tears. So the type ii assault is vastly superior to the type i due to the increased shields. Leveling the HP across all the suit variations completely removed the usefulness of armor and I believe it is a serious balance issue that needs to be addressed. Currently a heavily shielded assault suit with an AR is so vastly superior to anything else it's more or less mandatory.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:19:00 - [10] - Quote Quickgloves wrote: 1 extra module if u fit it right ie = to proto suit meet me in private ill walk u through building it last build my kdr in assualt 2 was 7.8 30- 3 matches regular not sure what you just said, but i think you think the same as me.

Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:19:00 - [11] - Quote going off memory here so correct me if my numbers are wrong but: type-I is 175 base armor, 125 base shields. for 300EHP type-II is 105 base armor, 225 base shields. for 330EHP (believe armor is 105, used to be 125 but that was super OP.) so bone stock this gives us a 30 point EHP bonus in favor of the type-II so lets plug your skills into this, 15% to shields 25% to armor. with your skills, type-I gets 218.75 armor, 143.75 shields. totaling 362.5 EHP with your skill, type-II gets 131.25 armor, 258.75 shields. totaling 390 EHP so skill modded the type-II EHP advantage drops by 2.5 points.. but it's still ahead by 27.5 EHP. and will only catch up if you finish off your shield management skill. i didn't account for modules because the skills don't effect the modules. you'd just add their amount to those numbers, and the difference would remain the same. and of course none of this takes into account the type-II having small bonus' in fitting and mobility. all i can think of is you just got out leveled and unlucky. if everybody ELSE upgrades faster than you. you can get your ass kicked and it can feel like you got downgraded, even though you upgraded. but don't let me tell you how to play. EDIT: also bear in mind i don't actually know what the game does with those half points of health. it might round them up, or drop them completely, which would throw the results off a point or 2. but only by a point or 2.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:30:00 - [12] - Quote screw number play the fuckign game. stb guy is right best value build was type 2 with gek.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:34:00 - [13] - Quote Type-II has more overall durability, more CPU/PG, and an extra low slot.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:39:00 - [14] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Type-II has more overall durability, more CPU/PG, and an extra low slot. Absolutely. More PG/CPU=probably better. Extra slot = definitely better. Except maybe for that advanced heavy suit, still not too sure about that one.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:40:00 - [15] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Type-II has more overall durability, more CPU/PG, and an extra low slot. so an awesome build, beter than proto for the money. now if you asked me to build a proto i'd build and play you a better one.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:41:00 - [16] - Quote Ok,I just played a match,and literally took only two shots before I died with the type II suit.Same match with the type I,and was able to take a few more shots. I'll never use the type II again.The survivability just isn't there for me.I know that he number support that the type II is better,but on the battlefield,it just isn't,and that's the only numbers that really count for me.As they say,the game isn't played on paper.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:42:00 - [17] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Type-II has more overall durability, more CPU/PG, and an extra low slot. Type II doesn't have more CPU,only more PG,which I rarely run low on.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:43:00 - [18] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Ok,I just played a match,and literally took only two shots before I died with the type II suit.Same match with the type I,and was able to take a few more shots. I'll never use the type II again.The survivability just isn't there for me.I know that he number support that the type II is better,but on the battlefield,it just isn't,and that's the only numbers that really count for me.As they say,the game isn't played on paper. You're doing it wrong. I don't mean to be a ****, I mean that you are doing something wrong. More shield skills and better shield upgrades. Type ii is better when you fit it right. EDIT:Extra low slot could mean more CPU. Just saying.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:45:00 - [19] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Ok,I just played a match,and literally took only two shots before I died with the type II suit.Same match with the type I,and was able to take a few more shots. I'll never use the type II again.The survivability just isn't there for me.I know that he number support that the type II is better,but on the battlefield,it just isn't,and that's the only numbers that really count for me.As they say,the game isn't played on paper. thats whats key your gamplay might not be like mine
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:53:00 - [20] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Ok,I just played a match,and literally took only two shots before I died with the type II suit.Same match with the type I,and was able to take a few more shots. I'll never use the type II again.The survivability just isn't there for me.I know that he number support that the type II is better,but on the battlefield,it just isn't,and that's the only numbers that really count for me.As they say,the game isn't played on paper. You're doing it wrong. I don't mean to be a ****, I mean that you are doing something wrong. More shield skills and better shield upgrades. Type ii is better when you fit it right. EDIT:Extra low slot could mean more CPU. Just saying. screw that why waste the slot. use what your given. or find.

Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.20 16:11:00 - [21] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Ok,I just played a match,and literally took only two shots before I died with the type II suit.Same match with the type I,and was able to take a few more shots. I'll never use the type II again.The survivability just isn't there for me.I know that he number support that the type II is better,but on the battlefield,it just isn't,and that's the only numbers that really count for me.As they say,the game isn't played on paper. You're doing it wrong. I don't mean to be a ****, I mean that you are doing something wrong. More shield skills and better shield upgrades. Type ii is better when you fit it right. EDIT:Extra low slot could mean more CPU. Just saying. Shield extender, enhanced shield regulator,Shield management level 3,and shield operation level 4.Don't know what else there is to do. I deleted that fit,and won't use it again.seems that too many weapons are meant to cut through your shield faster,and without any armor,you are toast when your shield is depleted. I'll just save up for the Type A like I've been intending to do anyway.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 16:19:00 - [22] - Quote stop thinking defence and think offence. that what that suit is for. maybe wrong didnt decide yet. or maybe a mid offence
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.20 16:27:00 - [23] - Quote Lonewolf514 wrote: stop thinking defence and think offence. that what that suit is for. maybe wrong didnt decide yet. or maybe a mid offence Thinking defense,but playing offense.I'm not sitting back waiting,I'm running in,and that suit can't take it,plain and simple. TBH,I don't notice the speed difference either,so like I said before,I'll never use it again as I see it having no real advantage over the type I,which I seem to play better with.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 16:30:00 - [24] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Lonewolf514 wrote: stop thinking defence and think offence. that what that suit is for. maybe wrong didnt decide yet. or maybe a mid offence Thinking defense,but playing offense.I'm not sitting back waiting,I'm running in,and that suit can't take it,plain and simple. TBH,I don't notice the speed difference either,so like I said before,I'll never use it again as I see it having no real advantage over the type I,which I seem to play better with. thats the **** devs not you. paid to do nothing.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.20 17:40:00 - [25] - Quote There is more to type-II suits than just shield/armor HP as noted above. Eve/Dust follows the concept of 'Full Metal Alchemist' which refers to equivalent exchange. If you wish to gain something, you must give up something else of equal value and vice versa.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:04:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: There is more to type-II suits than just shield/armor HP as noted above. Eve/Dust follows the concept of 'Full Metal Alchemist' which refers to equivalent exchange. If you wish to gain something, you must give up something else of equal value and vice versa. Well, that's more than a bit vague.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:34:00 - [27] - Quote Well, you did ask which was better and I still maintain that the type ii is better, generally. Might not fit your playstyle. If anyone tells you that you have to switch and blah blah blah tell 'em look at your KDR. I switched to type ii last build before i swore off AR's and I died a lot at first. A whole lot. But then I got my style down and a fit I liked. I loved the type ii and did better than ever with it. If you're winning with the type i then wear it. I guess my only real advice would be use what you like, but if you feel like you just can't go any further with it, then the type ii is a very good suit and might work better for you then. I shouldn't have told you that you were doing it wrong, earlier. That was my bad. All that matters is that at the end of the day you're still vertical and they aren't.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:52:00 - [28] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Well, you did ask which was better and I still maintain that the type ii is better, generally. Might not fit your playstyle. If anyone tells you that you have to switch and blah blah blah tell 'em look at your KDR. I switched to type ii last build before i swore off AR's and I died a lot at first. A whole lot. But then I got my style down and a fit I liked. I loved the type ii and did better than ever with it. If you're winning with the type i then wear it. I guess my only real advice would be use what you like, but if you feel like you just can't go any further with it, then the type ii is a very good suit and might work better for you then. I shouldn't have told you that you were doing it wrong, earlier. That was my bad. All that matters is that at the end of the day you're still vertical and they aren't. I wasn't asking which one is better per se,because from my experience,the Type I is better for me.I was wondering what advantages the Type II had over the Type I,other than shield.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.10.21 00:18:00 - [29] - Quote Third, if the type 1 works better than the type 2 for you then use the type 1. That's what makes this game great......there is no right or wrong. Dropsuits are customizable to your playstyle. I don't know anyone in my corp that has my exact dropsuits. Its almost like a fingerprint. I know a 2.48 KDR player with a militia dropsuit. It is all about what works for you and your playstyle. Personally, I don't like the type 1 because my shield gets depleted waaay too fast and then now I just have armor left.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2012.10.21 00:33:00 - [30] - Quote Then the advantages are shield and extra slot. And it has more roman numerals in the name so you know it's even more awesomer.



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