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Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:25:00 -
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no the nerf ended with the creodron now gtfo all of you this thread is over.
the end |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:30:00 -
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if this goes on we are going to throw rocks at each other. And the guys with the bigger rocks will win. |
Cortez The Killer
Immobile Infantry
187
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:39:00 -
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/me making an appearance in some troll post somewhere. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:47:00 -
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Lasers need a buff not a nerf, highly situational weapon ARs are much more reliable. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:25:00 -
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crazy space wrote:if we are taking prototype ProtoScout can run at 13.8m/sec while sprinting.
put a shotgun/ar, whatever. The point is unless you've seen this happen on the battlefield in organized vs. organized play, you can make judgements on this stuff yet.
Someone using a laser would have no chance verus someone that can bridge distance that fast. So when your in a squad stay down while your shotgun scout faster than a tank flanks the guy keeping you behind cover.
not to mention we don't even have cloaks to play with yet. Proto-cloaked laser scout anyone?
Wait, so let me get this straight- aavrage proto scout can run 100 meters over 2 seconds faster than Usian Bolt? Damn..... |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:45:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:crazy space wrote:if we are taking prototype ProtoScout can run at 13.8m/sec while sprinting.
put a shotgun/ar, whatever. The point is unless you've seen this happen on the battlefield in organized vs. organized play, you can make judgements on this stuff yet.
Someone using a laser would have no chance verus someone that can bridge distance that fast. So when your in a squad stay down while your shotgun scout faster than a tank flanks the guy keeping you behind cover.
not to mention we don't even have cloaks to play with yet. Proto-cloaked laser scout anyone? Wait, so let me get this straight- aavrage proto scout can run 100 meters over 2 seconds faster than Usian Bolt? Damn.....
Isn't the realistic gap between assault and scout awesome? |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.21 02:59:00 -
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This thread is stupid tbh. Try picking up a Duvolle, and lasers become laser pointers. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:02:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:crazy space wrote:if we are taking prototype ProtoScout can run at 13.8m/sec while sprinting.
put a shotgun/ar, whatever. The point is unless you've seen this happen on the battlefield in organized vs. organized play, you can make judgements on this stuff yet.
Someone using a laser would have no chance verus someone that can bridge distance that fast. So when your in a squad stay down while your shotgun scout faster than a tank flanks the guy keeping you behind cover.
not to mention we don't even have cloaks to play with yet. Proto-cloaked laser scout anyone? Wait, so let me get this straight- aavrage proto scout can run 100 meters over 2 seconds faster than Usian Bolt? Damn..... If this is serious, I will smash my head on the wall. |
aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
407
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:17:00 -
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OK i admit i use the laser rifles to kill campers but that's only because they deserved it.
BTW isn't this thread suppose to be in the feedback section. |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:38:00 -
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Pretty soon we wont even be playing for SP. Everything will be nerfed down to militia grade so running advanced gear will be pointless. |
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Miss Practice
30
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Posted - 2012.10.21 09:45:00 -
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I run a laser rifle on my logibro fit, i consider it a waste of points and wish i had invested instead in a AR. Neither here nor there, i cannot get those points back(this reset).
Alot of people have raised good points:
A) Range, lasers are better at a mid range location, but long game and short game is pitiful, every AR out ranges a laser. (Refer to the great Weapon Range guide posted on these very forums)
B) Heavies, these things melt heavies. fast.
C) the being able to hit you supposedly from nowhere, one of the advantages of a laser is that it is a pin point of dmg, if your foot is hanging out, the laser will melt your whole body. (I doubt it is something that is going to be changed)
But i think the main reason they are OP is because every single person and there mother is stacking shields. Newsflash: Lasers melt shields.
Luckily lasers are not very good until you get some decent points inveseted in them. At the end of the day the laser is a niche item, and you probably will not see many of them, they are highly effective when used with a squad, and i think it added a great deal of versatility, no one needs to start begging for the nerf hammer like so many on this forum are prone to do. |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
136
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Posted - 2012.10.22 02:23:00 -
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Miss Practice wrote:I run a laser rifle on my logibro fit, i consider it a waste of points and wish i had invested instead in a AR. Neither here nor there, i cannot get those points back(this reset).
Alot of people have raised good points:
A) Range, lasers are better at a mid range location, but long game and short game is pitiful, every AR out ranges a laser. (Refer to the great Weapon Range guide posted on these very forums)
B) Heavies, these things melt heavies. fast.
C) the being able to hit you supposedly from nowhere, one of the advantages of a laser is that it is a pin point of dmg, if your foot is hanging out, the laser will melt your whole body. (I doubt it is something that is going to be changed)
But i think the main reason they are OP is because every single person and there mother is stacking shields. Newsflash: Lasers melt shields.
Luckily lasers are not very good until you get some decent points inveseted in them. At the end of the day the laser is a niche item, and you probably will not see many of them, they are highly effective when used with a squad, and i think it added a great deal of versatility, no one needs to start begging for the nerf hammer like so many on this forum are prone to do.
Well put. I run with lasers and at short range i have more of a chance at melee than hurting them with my rifle. I have to setup spawn points outside objectives because spawning where the battle is will get me instakilled and I'm of no use.
It is a unique weapon only of real use in open or sparse cover areas and only if playing as a group. They handle mid to short and you try to debuff them at mid-long range. And if it helps... I'm sorry if melting your clone's face made u sad. |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.10.22 02:49:00 -
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I like the sound they make. The hell with the numbers. ZOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.10.22 14:39:00 -
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Ieukoplast wrote:Not the beginning tier laser rifles, those are near useless, but the upper tier ones are horribly OP. Practically insta-kill with infinite range, even if behind cover (I somehow get killed even if I am behind 100% cover for several seconds).
Fix now CCP. No talent players are abusing this and getting away with kills they didn't earn.
They dont need any nerf... You just have to know how to play against them that's it. Get near a proto laser dude at 20 meters and he's very likely to be useless.
Laser rifle are pretty spot on imo. Maybe need a slight buff of over-heating speed as with just 1 level i still very rarely get over-heated. |
Tinodi
Doomheim
39
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:17:00 -
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Loss Tovas wrote:Sota, you are hurting my feels on this one.
This weapon does not need a nerf. It is a mid-long range denial weapon. That is its purpose. I use it to counter snipe, for denial, and generally give anyone shield tanking a bad day. Even when I was using the basic laser rifle, if I got a lock on you it is game over. That isn't any different from any other weapon in the game. If the enemy can shoot you, you will die.
As for over heating, they over heat hard and it takes a good long time before that weapon can be used again. And if it over heated when you only had 4 rounds left? You have to wait for it to cool off before you can reload. Honestly, the solution to surviving a laser rifle is armor tanking, but guess what? Armor loses to ARs much harder than it does lasers. So, instead of crying nerf, I'd recommend better shielding and armor to increase survivability.
Actually, now that I think about it, this may be part of the reason there is crying going on. I can count on one hand the number of people I know who armor tank versus shield tank, and shield tanking is widely considered "better" at this point. Since lasers zap shields like nobody's business, it might make people think that they are crazier than they really are, when they just happened t be better at taking out the kind of tank that's popular now. Maybe give armor a little love (which I think it needs anyway, just a bit), and you see less laser whining. |
Tinodi
Doomheim
39
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:19:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:I like the sound they make. The hell with the numbers. ZOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR. This, lol.
I just like them because I'm a noob and it's easier to aim when I can see exactly where my kill-beam is going. :p That and no spread. But it ain't very forgiving... you keep falling off the target, the damage is terrible... |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:31:00 -
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Tinodi wrote:dent 308 wrote:I like the sound they make. The hell with the numbers. ZOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR. This, lol. I just like them because I'm a noob and it's easier to aim when I can see exactly where my kill-beam is going. :p That and no spread. But it ain't very forgiving... you keep falling off the target, the damage is terrible...
Playing with the laser for so many games has made me much better with the AR. I am much more deadly ADS on the stock rifle now. |
Tinodi
Doomheim
39
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:52:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Tinodi wrote:dent 308 wrote:I like the sound they make. The hell with the numbers. ZOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR. This, lol. I just like them because I'm a noob and it's easier to aim when I can see exactly where my kill-beam is going. :p That and no spread. But it ain't very forgiving... you keep falling off the target, the damage is terrible... Playing with the laser for so many games has made me much better with the AR. I am much more deadly ADS on the stock rifle now. I think my AR game is improving, too. It helps get a feel for where the killy-thingies go exactly. |
Tank Splitter
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:39:00 -
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Ieukoplast wrote: Practically insta-kill with infinite range, even if behind cover (I somehow get killed even if I am behind 100% cover for several seconds).
Fix now CCP. No talent players are abusing this and getting away with kills they didn't earn.
Sniper rifles do the same thing. QQ much? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.10.23 03:15:00 -
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Anyone who thinks they're overpowered hasn't spent the time trying out 30something different builds for the one capable of maintaining fire, keeping at distance, & not being a sitting duck. LRs are a bit like nunchucks too: you'll do more damage to yourself learning to use them, than you will to your opponents. I was inclined to think they were overpowered when I finally got my hands on that glorious Viziam & teamed it up with some dmg mods for a 17/3 scored ambush match. Then I saw my isk bill for the restock. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.10.23 04:35:00 -
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My initial reaction to seeing that this thread exists is disgust. |
Drommy Hood
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
242
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Posted - 2012.10.23 09:59:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Sounds good- I'm a strong believer in what I call the "magikarp system"- the worse something is while you get it to it's top potential strength, the better it should be once it IS at it's top potential strength.
Hehe magikarp |
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