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Ieukoplast
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.20 11:03:00 -
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Not the beginning tier laser rifles, those are near useless, but the upper tier ones are horribly OP. Practically insta-kill with infinite range, even if behind cover (I somehow get killed even if I am behind 100% cover for several seconds).
Fix now CCP. No talent players are abusing this and getting away with kills they didn't earn. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.10.20 11:13:00 -
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I second this. Thought I don't see too many people with 'em, it's almost insta kill if they catch you off-guard. Which is true for most weapons, but I don't even get time to turn around and attempt something called gaming when it comes to lazer rifles.
If they're going to have such impressive range and damage, and accurate to boot, then they need a nerf on how long they can fire, give me a chance at a gun fight with them. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.20 11:31:00 -
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LAZORZZ!!!
Yea a little op but a tac AR can out range them and an they are horrible close range.
Also the advanced one cant overheat which is a bit dumb.
Needs looking at but for once CCP try not to destroy eveything you touch just take your time with it and do it little by little. |
Ars Kaykx
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.20 11:33:00 -
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Yep, tempted to agree.
I'm one of the offending proto-laser wielders. And yes, after a 3/4 second charge, it'll take down a heavy in a couple of seconds..... But, however!! It does still need to be kept on target, so if you have good gun game you DO have a chance, just not much of one (tip; don't bunny hop too much, the hang time will end with you chopped in half mid-air).
Get in close and your odds of survival increase dramatically, or 2/3-way the person (tactics & comms help).
At 80,458 ISK a pop, they should be powerfull, so stop insta-bitchin and get practicing.
Currently saving it for 'special occasions' anyways due to cost, so provided the economy play doesn't get ruined by shady funding practices flooding the marketplace, it should be left as it is so we can test-play counters to it (for a bit). If an infinite supply of them appears on the battlefield then yes tho, definately nerf it.
Happy hunting folks! |
Michael Cratar
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.20 11:33:00 -
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You need to get close to them. Lazorz are pretty much useless up close. People who jump from cover and try do do there little dances will die. |
Ars Kaykx
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
8
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Posted - 2012.10.20 11:37:00 -
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ps; Agreed on the overheat. It needs to be more severe. The Proto version can overheat (2 rnds of charge left), but it is still a bit redundant. Perhaps make the overheat last for significantly longer, and increase the cooldown rate so an overheat becomes more likely. That would suitably nerf it without losing the fun the spent SP should earn a player who's specced into it. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.10.20 11:43:00 -
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I'd say nerf how often it over heats, if it takes too long to recover from over-heat then anyone with any type of gear can just wait for an opening and charge.
But if it over-heats often enough, it'll only have that moment of insta kill before things get serious for him, Or her in light of guiltygirls post xD |
Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.10.20 11:52:00 -
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not a nerf but a cooldown/overheat time between shots just holding down the trigger forever. |
Gcember
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.20 11:58:00 -
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I must say that they are not too OP. The laser rifle takes out shields quickly but does not do too much damage on your armor. If you have decent shields and good armor it is not a problem to either escape from it or engage. ARs are actually more powerful than
laser rifles. |
Villore Isu
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:08:00 -
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Ieukoplast wrote:Not the beginning tier laser rifles, those are near useless, but the upper tier ones are horribly OP. Practically insta-kill with infinite range, even if behind cover (I somehow get killed even if I am behind 100% cover for several seconds).
Fix now CCP. No talent players are abusing this and getting away with kills they didn't earn.
LOL not even close, the range is actually slightly less than some ARs.
Have you considered that possibility that not all of you is behind cover? It really is quite hilarious to kill someone by shooting their one exposed foot. |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:10:00 -
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Villore Isu wrote:Ieukoplast wrote:Not the beginning tier laser rifles, those are near useless, but the upper tier ones are horribly OP. Practically insta-kill with infinite range, even if behind cover (I somehow get killed even if I am behind 100% cover for several seconds).
Fix now CCP. No talent players are abusing this and getting away with kills they didn't earn. LOL not even close, the range is actually slightly less than some ARs. Have you considered that possibility that not all of you is behind cover? It really is quite hilarious to kill someone by shooting their one exposed foot.
Good point, how do you explain lazers killing you while in cover?
And now that I know AR reaches further then Lazers... Time to get some distance and some single shooters. Die Lazer man Die. |
Villore Isu
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:20:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Villore Isu wrote:Ieukoplast wrote:Not the beginning tier laser rifles, those are near useless, but the upper tier ones are horribly OP. Practically insta-kill with infinite range, even if behind cover (I somehow get killed even if I am behind 100% cover for several seconds).
Fix now CCP. No talent players are abusing this and getting away with kills they didn't earn. LOL not even close, the range is actually slightly less than some ARs. Have you considered that possibility that not all of you is behind cover? It really is quite hilarious to kill someone by shooting their one exposed foot. Good point, how do you explain lazers killing you while in cover? And now that I know AR reaches further then Lazers... Time to get some distance and some single shooters. Die Lazer man Die.
LRs do their max damage at their max range, ARs do minimal damage at that range, so you'll still want to close the distance.
The cover thing can be explained either by lag or the fact that part of you is still exposed, eg. hiding behind a truck means I can still shoot your legs.
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Schazla
WarRavens
159
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:29:00 -
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Ieukoplast wrote:Not the beginning tier laser rifles, those are near useless, but the upper tier ones are horribly OP. Practically insta-kill with infinite range, even if behind cover (I somehow get killed even if I am behind 100% cover for several seconds).
Fix now CCP. No talent players are abusing this and getting away with kills they didn't earn.
True! |
Skold Hagradsson
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:33:00 -
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If you look at the efficiencies of the AR and laser rifle they are almost opposite.
Most AR's can't out damage one at extreme range, but AR has huge advantage up close ( 0-40m)
Also when laser rifles do overheat they take down your shields as well as leaving you waving your hand for a few seconds.
Don't agree that they are op. but if you are stupid enough to engage them at range you might come to that conclusion.
As to your deaths behind cover, as already said, I suspect your not all behind cover.
Your solution to the issue you have is to pull your yellow livered ass out from the 'cover' you have been trembling behind 'for several seconds' and assault the mofo with the badass torch. |
Tinodi
Doomheim
39
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:31:00 -
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Complains about laser rifles being OP... compares to AR's. Just lol.
I suspect it's just AR users used to blowing everyone away losing to lasers at range. You need to move in closer.
As to getting killed behind cover, I very much doubt this is a laser issue. Probably you either aren't totally covered, and/or it's related to the hitbox problems. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:57:00 -
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lasers are fine. it annoys me more when some 1 kills me with a pay 2 win AR instantly. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:11:00 -
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Sounds good- I'm a strong believer in what I call the "magikarp system"- the worse something is while you get it to it's top potential strength, the better it should be once it IS at it's top potential strength. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:20:00 -
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People who kill more than they die need a nerf. They are horribly OP and it isn't fair. When they have 1 more kill than death their weapons should just stop firing until everyone else has a chance to catch up. Along with everything else in this game. And then the nerf needs a nerf.
One thing about this beta is it has shown me why most games today suck. Players won't have it any other way. It is what we've asked for.
If you just stay right there at the laser's maximim effective range you will get fried. Either run away or charge the guy. Or, do the next best thing. Get killed? Make a forum post. That will solve all your problems. |
Tinodi
Doomheim
39
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:22:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Sounds good- I'm a strong believer in what I call the "magikarp system"- the worse something is while you get it to it's top potential strength, the better it should be once it IS at it's top potential strength.
Like for system name. |
Wintars Boar
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
64
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:29:00 -
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Aighun wrote:People who kill more than they die need a nerf. They are horribly OP and it isn't fair. When they have 1 more kill than death their weapons should just stop firing until everyone else has a chance to catch up. Along with everything else in this game. And then the nerf needs a nerf.
Lolz |
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Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:52:00 -
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Lasers are a dedicated mid-long range weapon. If they're giving you trouble get up in their face. |
crazy space
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:37:00 -
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so last week it was "lasers are terrible why would anyone use them"
And now it's "OMG LASERS OP"
Will you guys listen to yourself? stop asking for nerfs or buffs when without even a single patch the game balance is still changing everyday!
if anything this is more proof we need a beta event with bonus sp for testing more equipment |
crazy space
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:41:00 -
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if we are taking prototype ProtoScout can run at 13.8m/sec while sprinting.
put a shotgun/ar, whatever. The point is unless you've seen this happen on the battlefield in organized vs. organized play, you can make judgements on this stuff yet.
Someone using a laser would have no chance verus someone that can bridge distance that fast. So when your in a squad stay down while your shotgun scout faster than a tank flanks the guy keeping you behind cover.
not to mention we don't even have cloaks to play with yet. Proto-cloaked laser scout anyone? |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
326
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:43:00 -
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Prototype lazers vs Militia shields. Who wins? |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
169
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:01:00 -
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Full release of game will be called "Dust 514: Nerf Wars". |
Loss Tovas
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
236
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:54:00 -
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Sota, you are hurting my feels on this one.
This weapon does not need a nerf. It is a mid-long range denial weapon. That is its purpose. I use it to counter snipe, for denial, and generally give anyone shield tanking a bad day. Even when I was using the basic laser rifle, if I got a lock on you it is game over. That isn't any different from any other weapon in the game. If the enemy can shoot you, you will die.
As for over heating, they over heat hard and it takes a good long time before that weapon can be used again. And if it over heated when you only had 4 rounds left? You have to wait for it to cool off before you can reload. Honestly, the solution to surviving a laser rifle is armor tanking, but guess what? Armor loses to ARs much harder than it does lasers. So, instead of crying nerf, I'd recommend better shielding and armor to increase survivability.
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Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:58:00 -
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omg op stfu.. i dont even LAZOR nor does most any1 else but u suck bro. go cry about a dropships or something |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:07:00 -
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it's a situational weapon as is the mass driver. if u want to nerf something cry nerf vs an organized squad- a solo laser guy is a joke |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:16:00 -
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heheheh dont nerf lazorz then . I'm going to melt some face
Tbh the whole nerf wars is just too much for me I just dont give a dam anymore . Just roll with it all and adapt and die. |
Andius Fidelitas
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:19:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Sounds good- I'm a strong believer in what I call the "magikarp system"- the worse something is while you get it to it's top potential strength, the better it should be once it IS at it's top potential strength.
A paranthesis on the discussion, but I love this expression, the magikarp system. Gonna have to quote you on that one. XD |
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