DUST Search - Oh the hate, I see it, I feel it. Let's shoot it.

Nickles Jester wrote:

Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:

Nickles Jester wrote:

Xavier Hastings wrote:

Let me respond with what I said on the Zion Forums:

Xavier Hastings (The Great) wrote:

No, think about it. Now think about it again. Not trying to be rude, but it would be a complete and total ***tstorm, and here is why:
We would have too much power.
The pilots couldn't do anything.
Abandon me? I take your ship.
Don't abandon me? I take your ship.
Don't do anything to me? I take your ship.
Call me in to take your ship back for you? I kill the guys, take your money and take your ship.
Need I go on?

I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it.

EVE lore will not allow for things like boarding party's i don't think.

I love Dust but it will always be the secondary game, EVE will always take priority and the main chair. There's no way around that.

I don't buy that, the great thing about two interlinked franchises that are constantly evolving and changing is that there is near infinite possibilities of what can happen between them. Even if Eve's lore won't allow for it that doesn't mean the lore won't or can't allow for it in the future. There are so many possibilities and the technology is good enough that neither franchise has to take the second chair, they can both ride first in their respective rights.

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Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:11:00 - [1] - Quote Was peeking into the EVE Forums recently, minding my own business really when I noticed all the hate or dislike for Dust 514. I'm not a Dust 514 Fanboy, as of yet, but I do like the direction it is going and I have quite a lot of fun playing it. So why all the hate? Maybe I was searching for it, I don't know. I hope CCP allows us to be able to go where we want, allow us to free roam. This would be an excellent way for us to show EVE Players that, while we maybe your cannon fodder on the planet, we can do a lot more too. Like, you turned your back on us, left us to die, die is used loosely, so we decided to come after you. Onto your ship, in space, kill you and take your ship, all for free. Give them a reason to be afraid of us. So, a ship worth Billions of ISK is not comparable to a Dropsuit with it's fittings that cost maybe 100K ISk, but still. You cheated me out of a contract because you wanted to keep the ISK, so you bombarded the planet with us on it. I'm not going to be bitter, nor angry really. What I want to do is show you, that I can be more than a grunt. I can get transport to your ship, I can board your ship, I can kill you and take your ship and hold it for ransom. Call it Piracy? Sure, if you want, but I am a Mercenary, and a Mercenary does what is necessary to survive. We aren't soldiers, which people forget, we are hired thugs to do a job that will be messy and dirty. So, if I have to put the fear of what ever god you worship into your heart, I will do it. For respect, for honor. Not for the money. Mercenaries, I, get paid to do your job. I get cheated out of that job, I will hunt you down. Again, most people don't understand what a Mercenary, Security Company, really is unless you've dealt with them. Loyal to their Company not to the Contractor unless they are getting paid. Mercenaries now a days are not held under the Geneva Conventions. Which allows them to do what a Soldier can not. By that standard, Mercenaries in New Eden probably work in the same way. The only difference really between a Mercenary and a Pirate are little. A pirate steals, plunders, and kills, all for the money they can steal. A Mercenary steals, plunders and kills because he's getting paid to do so. We are a Black Ops group that doesn't exist, that nobody will care about if we are killed. But here in New Eden, we can turn the tide by utilizing our skills as combatants to show EVE Players that we are not to be messed around with, and that we can and will do what ever is necessary in New Eden. We want to establish a presence in New Eden, a presence that will be looked at with leery eyes, and mixed emotions. A "you screw with us, we will screw with you." By giving them a reason to keep a watchful eye on us, never knowing if we will stab them in the back, that will give EVE Players a reason not to turn us into dust, pun not intended. For they know, that we can and will do what is necessary to make sure you never do it again. For the TL;DR crowd. We are killers, cut throat and brutal. We are not a Goodwill group handing out lollipops and apologizing if we fail a mission, or allow a mass murder of our Corps Mercs get killed and never work for the Contractor again. The Contractor would find the business end of a .45 cal 1911 (Scrambler if you prefer) if such a thing happened. It's the name of the game, and we need to play that game. Or we will be left in the Dust, pun intended that time.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:14:00 - [2] - Quote Did you happen to find my thread asking about EVE players opinions on Dust? It was quite the read.
Lavirac JR DUST University Ivy League 129	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:16:00 - [3] - Quote We don't have to take their ships, just board em and blow them the hell up! (While Podding them from the inside first) -If done correctly, dust can add a lot to Eve.
Governor Odius Doomheim 177	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:25:00 - [4] - Quote Boarding and capturing or destroying player ships is something that has been discussed before and I'm pretty sure the consensus is that there's no way to do it that's fun for either party involved. The potential impacts of DUST on EVE are a bit more subtle, but no less real. For example, if you want to get back at a player your corp can attack some planets in whatever system where he lives, shutting down local. Maybe cause problems for occupants similar to Incursion penalties. The bounty system will probably even be accessible to DUST players.
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:39:00 - [5] - Quote What it sounds like to me, is EVE wants to stack the deck in their favor, by hindering what we can do in Dust. Giving them the advantage, while leaving us high and dry. CCP, if you want us to be Mercenaries, give us the abilities that go with the name. And no I haven't, Cerebral, slap me the link, if you wouldn't mind. And Governor, yeah, that would probably be better in the long run, don't want the EVE Players to scream and rant and hate us more. But that's what makes me want to play this game more.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:43:00 - [6] - Quote Let me respond with what I said on the Zion Forums: Xavier Hastings (The Great) wrote: No, think about it. Now think about it again. Not trying to be rude, but it would be a complete and total ***tstorm, and here is why: We would have too much power. The pilots couldn't do anything. Abandon me? I take your ship. Don't abandon me? I take your ship. Don't do anything to me? I take your ship. Call me in to take your ship back for you? I kill the guys, take your money and take your ship. Need I go on?
Icy Beast 5	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:52:00 - [7] - Quote Orbital Artillery. It would be cool if you could follow the ship around on different planets and surround it with Orbital Artillery.
Foldenfly Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:53:00 - [8] - Quote Icy Beast wrote: Orbital Artillery. It would be cool if you could follow the ship around on different planets and surround it with Orbital Artillery. Look at the video under "Tutorials". From the looks of it, we will be getting access to Anti-Orbital cannons.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:57:00 - [9] - Quote Flagratus wrote: What it sounds like to me, is EVE wants to stack the deck in their favor, by hindering what we can do in Dust. Giving them the advantage, while leaving us high and dry. CCP, if you want us to be Mercenaries, give us the abilities that go with the name. And no I haven't, Cerebral, slap me the link, if you wouldn't mind. And Governor, yeah, that would probably be better in the long run, don't want the EVE Players to scream and rant and hate us more. But that's what makes me want to play this game more. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159857 The article's been written but don't know when the editorial team will publish it.
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:57:00 - [10] - Quote I understand exactly what you are saying and the point you are giving. And I am in no way saying Zion TCD has this belief, so don't no one affiliate what I'm saying to what Zion TCD or Zion Shad believes. But don't label us Mercenaries if we can't do something if we are screwed with. The way CCP has set it up, thanks to the EVE Players is, we can get screwed but we can't do anything back. We are not Mercenaries then, we are sheep, and should be named such if that is the case. Maybe the military is coming out, having dealt with their ways. There are a few good ones out their, but compared to real life version Security Companies, we are low life thugs, nothing more. We are not Mercenaries if we don't have the ability to be so.

Nickles Jester BetaMax. 43	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:58:00 - [11] - Quote Xavier Hastings wrote: Let me respond with what I said on the Zion Forums: Xavier Hastings (The Great) wrote: No, think about it. Now think about it again. Not trying to be rude, but it would be a complete and total ***tstorm, and here is why: We would have too much power. The pilots couldn't do anything. Abandon me? I take your ship. Don't abandon me? I take your ship. Don't do anything to me? I take your ship. Call me in to take your ship back for you? I kill the guys, take your money and take your ship. Need I go on? I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.13 00:00:00 - [12] - Quote Nickles Jester wrote: Xavier Hastings wrote: Let me respond with what I said on the Zion Forums: Xavier Hastings (The Great) wrote: No, think about it. Now think about it again. Not trying to be rude, but it would be a complete and total ***tstorm, and here is why: We would have too much power. The pilots couldn't do anything. Abandon me? I take your ship. Don't abandon me? I take your ship. Don't do anything to me? I take your ship. Call me in to take your ship back for you? I kill the guys, take your money and take your ship. Need I go on? I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it. EVE lore will not allow for things like boarding party's i don't think. I love Dust but it will always be the secondary game, EVE will always take priority and the main chair. There's no way around that.
Nickles Jester BetaMax. 43	Posted - 2012.10.13 00:05:00 - [13] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Nickles Jester wrote: Xavier Hastings wrote: Let me respond with what I said on the Zion Forums: Xavier Hastings (The Great) wrote: No, think about it. Now think about it again. Not trying to be rude, but it would be a complete and total ***tstorm, and here is why: We would have too much power. The pilots couldn't do anything. Abandon me? I take your ship. Don't abandon me? I take your ship. Don't do anything to me? I take your ship. Call me in to take your ship back for you? I kill the guys, take your money and take your ship. Need I go on? I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it. EVE lore will not allow for things like boarding party's i don't think. I love Dust but it will always be the secondary game, EVE will always take priority and the main chair. There's no way around that. I don't buy that, the great thing about two interlinked franchises that are constantly evolving and changing is that there is near infinite possibilities of what can happen between them. Even if Eve's lore won't allow for it that doesn't mean the lore won't or can't allow for it in the future. There are so many possibilities and the technology is good enough that neither franchise has to take the second chair, they can both ride first in their respective rights.
Sylwester Dziewiecki Doomheim 83	Posted - 2012.10.13 00:08:00 - [14] - Quote Flagratus wrote: So why all the hate? Each large patch for EVE online leaves behind a tiny bug's(things that could work better). CCP rarely fix them immediately. It happens that some are skipped for years. People who log on every day constantly pay attention to them. They will not play DUST when it comes out. They will not use content that DUST brings. Those EVE players are more pissed off on CCP than on DUST players, because if CCP has assigned more people to EVE instead of DUST, the game would become closer to the ideal. ..and that is why pilots do not like soldiers(for now).
Governor Odius Doomheim 177	Posted - 2012.10.13 00:17:00 - [15] - Quote Nickles Jester wrote: I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it. Put up a contract to have someone defend your ship? They take your ship. Think of it this way. Imagine if EVE players could blow up your warbarge. It's just sitting there in orbit around some planet, after all. What if they just came along and blew it up? Every piece of equipment, all your suits and vehicles and weapons, all gone in an instant while you weren't even online. Does that sound like a fun way to play?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.10.13 00:21:00 - [16] - Quote Nickles Jester wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Nickles Jester wrote: Xavier Hastings wrote: Let me respond with what I said on the Zion Forums: Xavier Hastings (The Great) wrote: No, think about it. Now think about it again. Not trying to be rude, but it would be a complete and total ***tstorm, and here is why: We would have too much power. The pilots couldn't do anything. Abandon me? I take your ship. Don't abandon me? I take your ship. Don't do anything to me? I take your ship. Call me in to take your ship back for you? I kill the guys, take your money and take your ship. Need I go on? I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it. EVE lore will not allow for things like boarding party's i don't think. I love Dust but it will always be the secondary game, EVE will always take priority and the main chair. There's no way around that. I don't buy that, the great thing about two interlinked franchises that are constantly evolving and changing is that there is near infinite possibilities of what can happen between them. Even if Eve's lore won't allow for it that doesn't mean the lore won't or can't allow for it in the future. There are so many possibilities and the technology is good enough that neither franchise has to take the second chair, they can both ride first in their respective rights. For one there are ships that cost multiple billions of isk, if i lost it because of someone on Dust i'd be really angry and so would a lot of the EVE playerbase and they have a lot more leverage with CCP than dust does. Besides, Lore wise, in EVE you live in your capsule and that's put inside the ship, you control the whole ship from your pod by using your mind. Having someone board your ship in EVE could be pointless, they couldn't take it over as it's part of your brain and it would be empty with nobody on board.
Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.10.13 01:34:00 - [17] - Quote i wonder if they know that controlling planets makes it easier for your side to fight in space, and that theres a good change that we will be taking on PoS, whihc leads to the possibilities of blitzkrieg while EVE players wont need us we would be giving advantages if a planet is controlled by your team. not to mention taking a single system in EVE takes days with that reinforce timer we dusties could bypass that and speed up the process of taking system.
Lead Squall Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 54	Posted - 2012.10.13 02:18:00 - [18] - Quote From what I understand the only direct interaction between eve and dust are shots fired between orbit and planet. I can deal with that, because, as it's been said, there are plenty of indirect ways to affect each other: a new bounty system that actually works, contracts, market (both buying and selling), system control. These things will work both ways and involve interested partes in both games. Personally, I can't wait for bounties to be placed on a dust corporation.
Nickles Jester BetaMax. 43	Posted - 2012.10.13 02:27:00 - [19] - Quote Governor Odius wrote: Nickles Jester wrote: I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it. Put up a contract to have someone defend your ship? They take your ship. Think of it this way. Imagine if EVE players could blow up your warbarge. It's just sitting there in orbit around some planet, after all. What if they just came along and blew it up? Every piece of equipment, all your suits and vehicles and weapons, all gone in an instant while you weren't even online. Does that sound like a fun way to play? Yes, yes it does. If someone is incompetent enough to leave their stuff unguarded floating around some planet they deserve to lose it. From reading this comment I get the impression that you assume dust players will just magically teleport to any planet they want without problem. That's not what it's going to be like, Mercs will have to be transported by ships, ships can be shot down. Also eve players can already do EXACTlY what you described to other eve players. It happens all the time, ships that are unattended get stolen or blown up. So it makes absolutely no sense that dust players shouldn't be able to do the same especially when EvE players can potentially royally screw dust players. I'm sorry but your free to your own opinion but your point is completely invalid. Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: For one there are ships that cost multiple billions of isk, if i lost it because of someone on Dust i'd be really angry and so would a lot of the EVE playerbase and they have a lot more leverage with CCP than dust does. Besides, Lore wise, in EVE you live in your capsule and that's put inside the ship, you control the whole ship from your pod by using your mind. Having someone board your ship in EVE could be pointless, they couldn't take it over as it's part of your brain and it would be empty with nobody on board. Lots of people lose billions of isk in ships in EVE every single week and they all get angry about it. That's not a valid excuse to not do it, if it was no one would lose ships ever. That's just fear talking fear of more depth and challenge and fear of more ways of losing your free fake stuff. Gee whiz if only it were possible to eject the pod and insert a new one or wait there could be. There is no valid reason why it can't be, would just be more teamwork between EvE players and Dust players but god forbid that because people are too afraid of having to adapt and deal with another way of possibly losing their hard earned free fake stuff. Also If only there was some interconnection of personal computers where people could build and view sort of sites that display information like players and corporation's game reputations so ya know which dust corp or which eve corp had a reputation of piracy or ripping people off. Oh wait there is it's the internet and its fraggin everywhere, gee that solves nearly every problem you guys have. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous you guys are so afraid it's funny, the fear blinding you to the real potential this has. There is nothing but potential and joy that can come from this. Like I said before CCP has the power and ability to make balanced defenses against being totally screwed by Dust players. They could easily have contract insurance, they can have ship defenses players can install. There is tons they can do to keep it fun and balanced. I'm sorry but there is absolutely no valid excuse/defense/reason for this not to be able to happen. It's just all irrational fear and nothing more.
Wintars Boar ZionTCD Legacy Rising 64	Posted - 2012.10.13 02:32:00 - [20] - Quote From what I've seen and heard, the first things we'll be likely to board will be POSs (player owned structures). So we could eventually help blow up or take over the billion isk station they built and then it's defenses could aid friendly podders in fighting off those players, but I agree, I doubt we'll be able to destroy a players ship outright. We are playing on maps with orbital cannons on them that someday will let us blast rounds up into space at said ships, so that's something.

Tyrus Four 128	Posted - 2012.10.13 02:41:00 - [21] - Quote Oh no you didn't... sucka try to play me, but you never paid me......
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.10.13 03:59:00 - [22] - Quote You can't board, and capture EVe player controlled ships
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.10.13 04:23:00 - [23] - Quote It's human nature. EVE players are used to the way things work now and despite all the calls to "harden up and adapt" they really don't want to. It makes a great insult to throw at each other, but who really wants to be forced to adjust to something big? It's just not a comfortable thing. Change is scary. They have also been an only child for so long that they are quite jealous of the new baby. Attention lavished on the new baby is seen as stolen from the first child's rightful due. Then of course there is the whole tribal platform war. "We" are heir to the only worthy platform and all others are unwashed barbarians unfit for civilized company. Any student of human nature could have predicted thier reaction. The best way to deal with it is to not make a big deal of it. Eventually the older child will get used to his new sibling and as it grows up he my even find that he enjoys having a brother to play with.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.10.13 04:59:00 - [24] - Quote Flagratus wrote: The way CCP has set it up, thanks to the EVE Players is, we can get screwed but we can't do anything back. Nobody knows just what CCP plans to set up. But they are on record saying there will be ample opportunity for mutual and reciprocal "overscrewing" I believe was the technical term. Look, even in the lore CCP have very subtly pitted the immortal clone soldiers against the profligate capsuleers. Capsuleers have been at the top of the food chain for a while. Naturally they are going to react to any perceived threat to their dissipated and decadent existence.
Shiro Mokuzan GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 106	Posted - 2012.10.13 08:11:00 - [25] - Quote Governor Odius wrote: Nickles Jester wrote: I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it. Put up a contract to have someone defend your ship? They take your ship. Think of it this way. Imagine if EVE players could blow up your warbarge. It's just sitting there in orbit around some planet, after all. What if they just came along and blew it up? Every piece of equipment, all your suits and vehicles and weapons, all gone in an instant while you weren't even online. Does that sound like a fun way to play? Uh, I'm pretty sure they will be able to blow up player-owned war barges.
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.10.13 08:31:00 - [26] - Quote Point of ship boarding of player owned ships not working is that the actual owner has no direct control of what happen to those who board it. Hence never going to happen; losing a ship when you have something do with it personally (because of stupidity or undocking from the station with it in the first place) is a completely different deal. For more on the issue just look at all "the QQ I was killed by snipers/tanks/explosives/nades/what ever"- threads on these forums; different issues but reasons for QQ are exactly the same which is dying without being able to do anything about it when it happens.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.10.13 09:10:00 - [27] - Quote Flagratus wrote: Was peeking into the EVE Forums recently, minding my own business really when I noticed all the hate or dislike for Dust 514. If you reorder your opening lines you'll find the answer to your opening question Example Quote: Was peeking into the EVE Forums, when I noticed all the hate. I frequently notice that as well when I peek in there. Suggest an optional UI feature (within the suggestions/feedback forum area) and get personal attacks/flames before thread has reached page two 0.02 ISK Cross
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.13 09:36:00 - [28] - Quote Look. All I did was give a representation of what a real Mercenary is. Take it, or leave it. From what I'm seeing, we have a long way to go before we even accomplish even a sweat of what a real Merc is. CCP, I know EVE Online is your baby, so much that you cater to them when they have the merest of arguments that don't even mean anything. I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Hell, that is great. You've allowed a MMO to become, pretty much, player driven. That in it self is, awesome. I commend you for that. Yet, look at it. If you hinder us Mercs, we will be nothing more than a CoD, BF, or MAG Clone. By allowing us to retaliate, if necessary, you've gone far beyond what was expected and dreamed of. I am aware of the fact the EVE Players will *****, moan and groan. That is what you wanted right? A playing field that balances. Hell, to be honest I wouldn't trust half of you with a BB Gun, if what I see from the videos is really the developers. But what does a former Grunt know about combat, right? That's beside the point though. I got the feeling you named us Mercenaries because it sounded, neat, and different. Which is probably the more likely scenario. Don't hinder us because the EVE Players are going to scream bloody murder if we destroying a ship, a colony or a mining facility. We are Mercenaries, treat us like one, give us the options to be like them other than a pew pew match. When I first saw the video footage of Dust 514 back in '09, I was like, "this game is going to go beyond what any other has tried to accomplish." I still hold true to that. So I guess what I'm saying is, don't just treat us like the red headed step child. But, and correct me if I am wrong, that what I'm spouting is what you are trying to accomplish, great, lets do it. If not, then what is the point? If I can't take down a pilot, or whatever you call them, because he dicked us over in a planetary siege then why am I even trying? Hell, real Mercs are tougher and have more fire power than we do, and we are a game, based in the future, in a science fictional universe.
D3aTH D3alER54 The Southern Legion 130	Posted - 2012.10.13 10:26:00 - [29] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Flagratus wrote: What it sounds like to me, is EVE wants to stack the deck in their favor, by hindering what we can do in Dust. Giving them the advantage, while leaving us high and dry. CCP, if you want us to be Mercenaries, give us the abilities that go with the name. And no I haven't, Cerebral, slap me the link, if you wouldn't mind. And Governor, yeah, that would probably be better in the long run, don't want the EVE Players to scream and rant and hate us more. But that's what makes me want to play this game more. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159857 The article's been written but don't know when the editorial team will publish it. Alot of stuck up people on EvE, you're good compared to them Cerebral.
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.14 03:24:00 - [30] - Quote If we could just get some form of revenge on a contract gone bad, that would appease the demons. I mean, we should take a ship at gun point, we should be allowed to kill its pilot, and we should be allowed to sell it for profit or as ransom. But if we can just get the ability to tear apart a world, or station, or a facility owned by said contractor, that screwed us over, that will have to suffice I guess. At least it would be something. If we can't even get that, EVE Players can continuously say they'll pay and not. And keep killing us over and over, and then we're so broke we can't even afford a simple Militia Dropsuit.



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