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Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:11:00 - [1] - Quote Was peeking into the EVE Forums recently, minding my own business really when I noticed all the hate or dislike for Dust 514. I'm not a Dust 514 Fanboy, as of yet, but I do like the direction it is going and I have quite a lot of fun playing it. So why all the hate? Maybe I was searching for it, I don't know. I hope CCP allows us to be able to go where we want, allow us to free roam. This would be an excellent way for us to show EVE Players that, while we maybe your cannon fodder on the planet, we can do a lot more too. Like, you turned your back on us, left us to die, die is used loosely, so we decided to come after you. Onto your ship, in space, kill you and take your ship, all for free. Give them a reason to be afraid of us. So, a ship worth Billions of ISK is not comparable to a Dropsuit with it's fittings that cost maybe 100K ISk, but still. You cheated me out of a contract because you wanted to keep the ISK, so you bombarded the planet with us on it. I'm not going to be bitter, nor angry really. What I want to do is show you, that I can be more than a grunt. I can get transport to your ship, I can board your ship, I can kill you and take your ship and hold it for ransom. Call it Piracy? Sure, if you want, but I am a Mercenary, and a Mercenary does what is necessary to survive. We aren't soldiers, which people forget, we are hired thugs to do a job that will be messy and dirty. So, if I have to put the fear of what ever god you worship into your heart, I will do it. For respect, for honor. Not for the money. Mercenaries, I, get paid to do your job. I get cheated out of that job, I will hunt you down. Again, most people don't understand what a Mercenary, Security Company, really is unless you've dealt with them. Loyal to their Company not to the Contractor unless they are getting paid. Mercenaries now a days are not held under the Geneva Conventions. Which allows them to do what a Soldier can not. By that standard, Mercenaries in New Eden probably work in the same way. The only difference really between a Mercenary and a Pirate are little. A pirate steals, plunders, and kills, all for the money they can steal. A Mercenary steals, plunders and kills because he's getting paid to do so. We are a Black Ops group that doesn't exist, that nobody will care about if we are killed. But here in New Eden, we can turn the tide by utilizing our skills as combatants to show EVE Players that we are not to be messed around with, and that we can and will do what ever is necessary in New Eden. We want to establish a presence in New Eden, a presence that will be looked at with leery eyes, and mixed emotions. A "you screw with us, we will screw with you." By giving them a reason to keep a watchful eye on us, never knowing if we will stab them in the back, that will give EVE Players a reason not to turn us into dust, pun not intended. For they know, that we can and will do what is necessary to make sure you never do it again. For the TL;DR crowd. We are killers, cut throat and brutal. We are not a Goodwill group handing out lollipops and apologizing if we fail a mission, or allow a mass murder of our Corps Mercs get killed and never work for the Contractor again. The Contractor would find the business end of a .45 cal 1911 (Scrambler if you prefer) if such a thing happened. It's the name of the game, and we need to play that game. Or we will be left in the Dust, pun intended that time.
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:39:00 - [2] - Quote What it sounds like to me, is EVE wants to stack the deck in their favor, by hindering what we can do in Dust. Giving them the advantage, while leaving us high and dry. CCP, if you want us to be Mercenaries, give us the abilities that go with the name. And no I haven't, Cerebral, slap me the link, if you wouldn't mind. And Governor, yeah, that would probably be better in the long run, don't want the EVE Players to scream and rant and hate us more. But that's what makes me want to play this game more.
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:57:00 - [3] - Quote I understand exactly what you are saying and the point you are giving. And I am in no way saying Zion TCD has this belief, so don't no one affiliate what I'm saying to what Zion TCD or Zion Shad believes. But don't label us Mercenaries if we can't do something if we are screwed with. The way CCP has set it up, thanks to the EVE Players is, we can get screwed but we can't do anything back. We are not Mercenaries then, we are sheep, and should be named such if that is the case. Maybe the military is coming out, having dealt with their ways. There are a few good ones out their, but compared to real life version Security Companies, we are low life thugs, nothing more. We are not Mercenaries if we don't have the ability to be so.
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.13 09:36:00 - [4] - Quote Look. All I did was give a representation of what a real Mercenary is. Take it, or leave it. From what I'm seeing, we have a long way to go before we even accomplish even a sweat of what a real Merc is. CCP, I know EVE Online is your baby, so much that you cater to them when they have the merest of arguments that don't even mean anything. I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Hell, that is great. You've allowed a MMO to become, pretty much, player driven. That in it self is, awesome. I commend you for that. Yet, look at it. If you hinder us Mercs, we will be nothing more than a CoD, BF, or MAG Clone. By allowing us to retaliate, if necessary, you've gone far beyond what was expected and dreamed of. I am aware of the fact the EVE Players will *****, moan and groan. That is what you wanted right? A playing field that balances. Hell, to be honest I wouldn't trust half of you with a BB Gun, if what I see from the videos is really the developers. But what does a former Grunt know about combat, right? That's beside the point though. I got the feeling you named us Mercenaries because it sounded, neat, and different. Which is probably the more likely scenario. Don't hinder us because the EVE Players are going to scream bloody murder if we destroying a ship, a colony or a mining facility. We are Mercenaries, treat us like one, give us the options to be like them other than a pew pew match. When I first saw the video footage of Dust 514 back in '09, I was like, "this game is going to go beyond what any other has tried to accomplish." I still hold true to that. So I guess what I'm saying is, don't just treat us like the red headed step child. But, and correct me if I am wrong, that what I'm spouting is what you are trying to accomplish, great, lets do it. If not, then what is the point? If I can't take down a pilot, or whatever you call them, because he dicked us over in a planetary siege then why am I even trying? Hell, real Mercs are tougher and have more fire power than we do, and we are a game, based in the future, in a science fictional universe.
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.14 03:24:00 - [5] - Quote If we could just get some form of revenge on a contract gone bad, that would appease the demons. I mean, we should take a ship at gun point, we should be allowed to kill its pilot, and we should be allowed to sell it for profit or as ransom. But if we can just get the ability to tear apart a world, or station, or a facility owned by said contractor, that screwed us over, that will have to suffice I guess. At least it would be something. If we can't even get that, EVE Players can continuously say they'll pay and not. And keep killing us over and over, and then we're so broke we can't even afford a simple Militia Dropsuit.
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.14 19:35:00 - [6] - Quote Governor Odius wrote: The way contracts work in EVE, you put out a price, the money is automatically debited from your wallet, and terms are set. When those terms are met the money is automatically placed in the wallet of the person who accepted the contract and fulfilled the terms. Capsuleers won't have the option to refuse to pay you after a contract is completed. If you take a contract to destroy some installation on a planet, you'll get your payment when you destroy the installation. That said, contract scams are a thing in New Eden. Read the fine print. Make sure you know what you're agreeing to. But the question is, and maybe it's been said somewhere, will that be implemented here into Dust as well? But that still doesn't help the fact that during the attack of said installation, they can still glass the planet with us on it before the job is complete. If the contract for the operation is say, 10 million ISK, they can make that up in less than 30 minutes, just to watch our clones burn for the fun of it. I'm not trying to sound bitchy or whatever you wish to call it, I'm trying to be practical here and give Dust players what the outcome can be, and how much we can get screwed with nothing to do about it. We will be gimped, and not in the fashionable way, with the leather suit and zipper mask. Unless CCP can confirm that we will have the ability to retaliate.
Flagratus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2012.10.14 20:44:00 - [7] - Quote http://youtu.be/gRyXDlZKwgA That will explain what I'm trying to explain, here. A change of plan. Sure, the contractor was killed, but why give EVE Players all the fun? And all the advantage. EDIT No offense taken Xavier. Just showing what can and probably will happen. I'm looking at it through a military stand point. We have the capabilities to do it, we have the armament to handle the feat. EDIT 2 Unless in the contract it stipulates that "Any Contractor nullifies said Contract if he fires upon the Contracted by any means." This would allow the Mercs who were killed to be given the money they were offered even if they did not complete said job. It wouldn't compensate them for the 100s of million of ISK that was lost though, i.e. Dropships, Dropsuits and their fittings, HAVs, LAVs anything deployed during the mission. I don't see the overpowered point though. What can a bunch of Mercs really do to a gigantic city sized ship? Swoop in with our MCC and get blown to the sky before we even doing anything. One down. The EVE Players could hire NPC Drones to protect them from invading forces. This thought comes from your point that the Mercs protecting said ship don't just turn on the Contractor. By utilizing NPCs you've made sure that Mercs can't do that. Make the NPCs more powerful to destroy, giving the Pilot time to escape or blow the ship, or surrender if the Mercs make it. Two down. Also if one wants to retaliate, it at first must be approved by Concord, or the Pirates of their controlling sectors. This makes sure that no one can just do it willy nilly. It must first be proven that what was done, happened. Three down. There should also not be a way for a Merc Corp to sell the ship. Ransom, yes. But not for the full price. Maybe for a set price based on what was lost during the conflict when the time occurred of the Mercs demise. Four down. Maybe, maybe not. Your thoughts? (I'm just enjoying the argument for arguments sake.)

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