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Governor Odius
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.10.14 03:37:00 -
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The way contracts work in EVE, you put out a price, the money is automatically debited from your wallet, and terms are set. When those terms are met the money is automatically placed in the wallet of the person who accepted the contract and fulfilled the terms. Capsuleers won't have the option to refuse to pay you after a contract is completed. If you take a contract to destroy some installation on a planet, you'll get your payment when you destroy the installation.
That said, contract scams are a thing in New Eden. Read the fine print. Make sure you know what you're agreeing to. |
Project Truth
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.10.14 07:21:00 -
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Nickles Jester wrote:Governor Odius wrote:Nickles Jester wrote: I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it.
Put up a contract to have someone defend your ship? They take your ship. Think of it this way. Imagine if EVE players could blow up your warbarge. It's just sitting there in orbit around some planet, after all. What if they just came along and blew it up? Every piece of equipment, all your suits and vehicles and weapons, all gone in an instant while you weren't even online. Does that sound like a fun way to play? Yes, yes it does. If someone is incompetent enough to leave their stuff unguarded floating around some planet they deserve to lose it. From reading this comment I get the impression that you assume dust players will just magically teleport to any planet they want without problem. That's not what it's going to be like, Mercs will have to be transported by ships, ships can be shot down. Also eve players can already do EXACTlY what you described to other eve players. It happens all the time, ships that are unattended get stolen or blown up. So it makes absolutely no sense that dust players shouldn't be able to do the same especially when EvE players can potentially royally screw dust players. I'm sorry but your free to your own opinion but your point is completely invalid. Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:For one there are ships that cost multiple billions of isk, if i lost it because of someone on Dust i'd be really angry and so would a lot of the EVE playerbase and they have a lot more leverage with CCP than dust does.
Besides, Lore wise, in EVE you live in your capsule and that's put inside the ship, you control the whole ship from your pod by using your mind.
Having someone board your ship in EVE could be pointless, they couldn't take it over as it's part of your brain and it would be empty with nobody on board. Lots of people lose billions of isk in ships in EVE every single week and they all get angry about it. That's not a valid excuse to not do it, if it was no one would lose ships ever. That's just fear talking fear of more depth and challenge and fear of more ways of losing your free fake stuff. Gee whiz if only it were possible to eject the pod and insert a new one or wait there could be. There is no valid reason why it can't be, would just be more teamwork between EvE players and Dust players but god forbid that because people are too afraid of having to adapt and deal with another way of possibly losing their hard earned free fake stuff. Also If only there was some interconnection of personal computers where people could build and view sort of sites that display information like players and corporation's game reputations so ya know which dust corp or which eve corp had a reputation of piracy or ripping people off. Oh wait there is it's the internet and its fraggin everywhere, gee that solves nearly every problem you guys have. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous you guys are so afraid it's funny, the fear blinding you to the real potential this has. There is nothing but potential and joy that can come from this. Like I said before CCP has the power and ability to make balanced defenses against being totally screwed by Dust players. They could easily have contract insurance, they can have ship defenses players can install. There is tons they can do to keep it fun and balanced. I'm sorry but there is absolutely no valid excuse/defense/reason for this not to be able to happen. It's just all irrational fear and nothing more.
WHO CARES ABOUT THE OPINION OF SOMEONE BELONGING TO A FAILED CORP BETAMAX IS DEAD LONG LIVE EON! |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2012.10.14 07:23:00 -
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Tyrus Four wrote:Oh no you didn't...
sucka try to play me, but you never paid me......
Never...
Oh no you didn't... |
gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2012.10.14 07:26:00 -
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Project Truth wrote:Nickles Jester wrote:Governor Odius wrote:Nickles Jester wrote: I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it.
Put up a contract to have someone defend your ship? They take your ship. Think of it this way. Imagine if EVE players could blow up your warbarge. It's just sitting there in orbit around some planet, after all. What if they just came along and blew it up? Every piece of equipment, all your suits and vehicles and weapons, all gone in an instant while you weren't even online. Does that sound like a fun way to play? Yes, yes it does. If someone is incompetent enough to leave their stuff unguarded floating around some planet they deserve to lose it. From reading this comment I get the impression that you assume dust players will just magically teleport to any planet they want without problem. That's not what it's going to be like, Mercs will have to be transported by ships, ships can be shot down. Also eve players can already do EXACTlY what you described to other eve players. It happens all the time, ships that are unattended get stolen or blown up. So it makes absolutely no sense that dust players shouldn't be able to do the same especially when EvE players can potentially royally screw dust players. I'm sorry but your free to your own opinion but your point is completely invalid. Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:For one there are ships that cost multiple billions of isk, if i lost it because of someone on Dust i'd be really angry and so would a lot of the EVE playerbase and they have a lot more leverage with CCP than dust does.
Besides, Lore wise, in EVE you live in your capsule and that's put inside the ship, you control the whole ship from your pod by using your mind.
Having someone board your ship in EVE could be pointless, they couldn't take it over as it's part of your brain and it would be empty with nobody on board. Lots of people lose billions of isk in ships in EVE every single week and they all get angry about it. That's not a valid excuse to not do it, if it was no one would lose ships ever. That's just fear talking fear of more depth and challenge and fear of more ways of losing your free fake stuff. Gee whiz if only it were possible to eject the pod and insert a new one or wait there could be. There is no valid reason why it can't be, would just be more teamwork between EvE players and Dust players but god forbid that because people are too afraid of having to adapt and deal with another way of possibly losing their hard earned free fake stuff. Also If only there was some interconnection of personal computers where people could build and view sort of sites that display information like players and corporation's game reputations so ya know which dust corp or which eve corp had a reputation of piracy or ripping people off. Oh wait there is it's the internet and its fraggin everywhere, gee that solves nearly every problem you guys have. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous you guys are so afraid it's funny, the fear blinding you to the real potential this has. There is nothing but potential and joy that can come from this. Like I said before CCP has the power and ability to make balanced defenses against being totally screwed by Dust players. They could easily have contract insurance, they can have ship defenses players can install. There is tons they can do to keep it fun and balanced. I'm sorry but there is absolutely no valid excuse/defense/reason for this not to be able to happen. It's just all irrational fear and nothing more. WHO CARES ABOUT THE OPINION OF SOMEONE BELONGING TO A FAILED CORP BETAMAX IS DEAD LONG LIVE EON! who is this eon you speak of |
Flagratus
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
69
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Posted - 2012.10.14 19:35:00 -
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Governor Odius wrote:The way contracts work in EVE, you put out a price, the money is automatically debited from your wallet, and terms are set. When those terms are met the money is automatically placed in the wallet of the person who accepted the contract and fulfilled the terms. Capsuleers won't have the option to refuse to pay you after a contract is completed. If you take a contract to destroy some installation on a planet, you'll get your payment when you destroy the installation.
That said, contract scams are a thing in New Eden. Read the fine print. Make sure you know what you're agreeing to.
But the question is, and maybe it's been said somewhere, will that be implemented here into Dust as well?
But that still doesn't help the fact that during the attack of said installation, they can still glass the planet with us on it before the job is complete. If the contract for the operation is say, 10 million ISK, they can make that up in less than 30 minutes, just to watch our clones burn for the fun of it.
I'm not trying to sound bitchy or whatever you wish to call it, I'm trying to be practical here and give Dust players what the outcome can be, and how much we can get screwed with nothing to do about it.
We will be gimped, and not in the fashionable way, with the leather suit and zipper mask. Unless CCP can confirm that we will have the ability to retaliate. |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
243
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Posted - 2012.10.14 20:33:00 -
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Flagratus wrote:If we could just get some form of revenge on a contract gone bad, that would appease the demons. I mean, we should take a ship at gun point, we should be allowed to kill its pilot, and we should be allowed to sell it for profit or as ransom.
But if we can just get the ability to tear apart a world, or station, or a facility owned by said contractor, that screwed us over, that will have to suffice I guess. At least it would be something.
If we can't even get that, EVE Players can continuously say they'll pay and not. And keep killing us over and over, and then we're so broke we can't even afford a simple Militia Dropsuit. Again we would be too overpowered. And this is coming from a Dust player; I don't own EVE.
The pilots couldn't do anything. They would just watch their ship get taken over for no apparent reason.
"But Xavier, then can hire other Mercs!"
Well, that is all fine and dandy, but what will probably happen is that I will kill all the Mercs holding the ship, take your money, then capture your ship. In fact, it would be better for me to take your ship, so I could sell it for a fortune of ISK.
Unless CCP can balance it in some way, I say this is a terrible idea, no offense.
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Flagratus
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
69
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Posted - 2012.10.14 20:44:00 -
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http://youtu.be/gRyXDlZKwgA
That will explain what I'm trying to explain, here.
A change of plan. Sure, the contractor was killed, but why give EVE Players all the fun?
And all the advantage.
*EDIT* No offense taken Xavier. Just showing what can and probably will happen.
I'm looking at it through a military stand point. We have the capabilities to do it, we have the armament to handle the feat.
*EDIT 2* Unless in the contract it stipulates that "Any Contractor nullifies said Contract if he fires upon the Contracted by any means." This would allow the Mercs who were killed to be given the money they were offered even if they did not complete said job. It wouldn't compensate them for the 100s of million of ISK that was lost though, i.e. Dropships, Dropsuits and their fittings, HAVs, LAVs anything deployed during the mission.
I don't see the overpowered point though.
What can a bunch of Mercs really do to a gigantic city sized ship? Swoop in with our MCC and get blown to the sky before we even doing anything. One down.
The EVE Players could hire NPC Drones to protect them from invading forces. This thought comes from your point that the Mercs protecting said ship don't just turn on the Contractor. By utilizing NPCs you've made sure that Mercs can't do that. Make the NPCs more powerful to destroy, giving the Pilot time to escape or blow the ship, or surrender if the Mercs make it. Two down.
Also if one wants to retaliate, it at first must be approved by Concord, or the Pirates of their controlling sectors. This makes sure that no one can just do it willy nilly. It must first be proven that what was done, happened. Three down.
There should also not be a way for a Merc Corp to sell the ship. Ransom, yes. But not for the full price. Maybe for a set price based on what was lost during the conflict when the time occurred of the Mercs demise. Four down.
Maybe, maybe not. Your thoughts? (I'm just enjoying the argument for arguments sake.) |
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