DUST Search - Oh the hate, I see it, I feel it. Let's shoot it.

Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:

Nickles Jester wrote:

Xavier Hastings wrote:

Let me respond with what I said on the Zion Forums:

Xavier Hastings (The Great) wrote:

No, think about it. Now think about it again. Not trying to be rude, but it would be a complete and total ***tstorm, and here is why:
We would have too much power.
The pilots couldn't do anything.
Abandon me? I take your ship.
Don't abandon me? I take your ship.
Don't do anything to me? I take your ship.
Call me in to take your ship back for you? I kill the guys, take your money and take your ship.
Need I go on?

I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it.

EVE lore will not allow for things like boarding party's i don't think.

I love Dust but it will always be the secondary game, EVE will always take priority and the main chair. There's no way around that.


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Nickles Jester BetaMax. 43	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:58:00 - [1] - Quote Xavier Hastings wrote: Let me respond with what I said on the Zion Forums: Xavier Hastings (The Great) wrote: No, think about it. Now think about it again. Not trying to be rude, but it would be a complete and total ***tstorm, and here is why: We would have too much power. The pilots couldn't do anything. Abandon me? I take your ship. Don't abandon me? I take your ship. Don't do anything to me? I take your ship. Call me in to take your ship back for you? I kill the guys, take your money and take your ship. Need I go on? I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it.
Nickles Jester BetaMax. 43	Posted - 2012.10.13 00:05:00 - [2] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Nickles Jester wrote: Xavier Hastings wrote: Let me respond with what I said on the Zion Forums: Xavier Hastings (The Great) wrote: No, think about it. Now think about it again. Not trying to be rude, but it would be a complete and total ***tstorm, and here is why: We would have too much power. The pilots couldn't do anything. Abandon me? I take your ship. Don't abandon me? I take your ship. Don't do anything to me? I take your ship. Call me in to take your ship back for you? I kill the guys, take your money and take your ship. Need I go on? I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it. EVE lore will not allow for things like boarding party's i don't think. I love Dust but it will always be the secondary game, EVE will always take priority and the main chair. There's no way around that. I don't buy that, the great thing about two interlinked franchises that are constantly evolving and changing is that there is near infinite possibilities of what can happen between them. Even if Eve's lore won't allow for it that doesn't mean the lore won't or can't allow for it in the future. There are so many possibilities and the technology is good enough that neither franchise has to take the second chair, they can both ride first in their respective rights.
Nickles Jester BetaMax. 43	Posted - 2012.10.13 02:27:00 - [3] - Quote Governor Odius wrote: Nickles Jester wrote: I disagree with this point. EvE players can simply do what EvE players are meant to do and that is put up contracts. Don't want your ship raided by the mercs you just back stabbed? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. Don't want to be pirated and hijacked by mercs from dust? Simple contract more mercs to defend your ship. It's easy as that. Flagratus is 100% right and we should be able to do all of that. There is no valid reason why we can't when they can easily make balanced defenses against it. Put up a contract to have someone defend your ship? They take your ship. Think of it this way. Imagine if EVE players could blow up your warbarge. It's just sitting there in orbit around some planet, after all. What if they just came along and blew it up? Every piece of equipment, all your suits and vehicles and weapons, all gone in an instant while you weren't even online. Does that sound like a fun way to play? Yes, yes it does. If someone is incompetent enough to leave their stuff unguarded floating around some planet they deserve to lose it. From reading this comment I get the impression that you assume dust players will just magically teleport to any planet they want without problem. That's not what it's going to be like, Mercs will have to be transported by ships, ships can be shot down. Also eve players can already do EXACTlY what you described to other eve players. It happens all the time, ships that are unattended get stolen or blown up. So it makes absolutely no sense that dust players shouldn't be able to do the same especially when EvE players can potentially royally screw dust players. I'm sorry but your free to your own opinion but your point is completely invalid. Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: For one there are ships that cost multiple billions of isk, if i lost it because of someone on Dust i'd be really angry and so would a lot of the EVE playerbase and they have a lot more leverage with CCP than dust does. Besides, Lore wise, in EVE you live in your capsule and that's put inside the ship, you control the whole ship from your pod by using your mind. Having someone board your ship in EVE could be pointless, they couldn't take it over as it's part of your brain and it would be empty with nobody on board. Lots of people lose billions of isk in ships in EVE every single week and they all get angry about it. That's not a valid excuse to not do it, if it was no one would lose ships ever. That's just fear talking fear of more depth and challenge and fear of more ways of losing your free fake stuff. Gee whiz if only it were possible to eject the pod and insert a new one or wait there could be. There is no valid reason why it can't be, would just be more teamwork between EvE players and Dust players but god forbid that because people are too afraid of having to adapt and deal with another way of possibly losing their hard earned free fake stuff. Also If only there was some interconnection of personal computers where people could build and view sort of sites that display information like players and corporation's game reputations so ya know which dust corp or which eve corp had a reputation of piracy or ripping people off. Oh wait there is it's the internet and its fraggin everywhere, gee that solves nearly every problem you guys have. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous you guys are so afraid it's funny, the fear blinding you to the real potential this has. There is nothing but potential and joy that can come from this. Like I said before CCP has the power and ability to make balanced defenses against being totally screwed by Dust players. They could easily have contract insurance, they can have ship defenses players can install. There is tons they can do to keep it fun and balanced. I'm sorry but there is absolutely no valid excuse/defense/reason for this not to be able to happen. It's just all irrational fear and nothing more.