Another great idea would be to make it harder for a sniper to get easy kills.. what do i mean by this? well one thing is make them pay for their camping sucsess. make a skill for 1.actual scope sight. 2.range of the bullets. 3.accuracy and power of the bullet.
why? because its to easy for these guys to sit in a mountain where you cant reach them at all or even climb without getting picked off by another sniper. you cant reach them with an assault rifle or anything but a sniper and if u suck at sniping like me then you pretty much screwed.

so why not make them earn there 20 plus kills by making skills for each advantage the sniper rifle has? the sight of how far they can shoot alone is madly op. A regular starter rifle can shoot across an entire map..

so let me drop an example of what the devs should consider just an idea gentlemen

Skils:

Sniper Scope Range:

Sniper Bullet Drop or Accuracy:

& Sniper rifle Bullet Damage:

or sniper rifle Scope Visibility.

make them earn these kills im sick of getting killed by snipers that camp somewhere unreachable and get easy kills on ppl while in a circle of 5 people im trying to kill.

Did a sniper upset you?
There are skill trees for damage, scope sway, and bullet range. Have you tried sniping? It's an art form, you might like it :D

Another great idea would be to make it harder for a sniper to get easy kills.. what do i mean by this? well one thing is make them pay for their camping sucsess. make a skill for 1.actual scope sight. 2.range of the bullets. 3.accuracy and power of the bullet.
why? because its to easy for these guys to sit in a mountain where you cant reach them at all or even climb without getting picked off by another sniper. you cant reach them with an assault rifle or anything but a sniper and if u suck at sniping like me then you pretty much screwed.

so why not make them earn there 20 plus kills by making skills for each advantage the sniper rifle has? the sight of how far they can shoot alone is madly op. A regular starter rifle can shoot across an entire map..

so let me drop an example of what the devs should consider just an idea gentlemen

Skils:

Sniper Scope Range:

Sniper Bullet Drop or Accuracy:

& Sniper rifle Bullet Damage:

or sniper rifle Scope Visibility.

make them earn these kills im sick of getting killed by snipers that camp somewhere unreachable and get easy kills on ppl while in a circle of 5 people im trying to kill.

Lol at bs of a sniper

Trying my sniper charm didn't fool you I see, ah well it was worth a 'shot'

well it seems easy to snipers but lets all be honest here. snipers alone can ruin the art of this game. i think there should be more detail to the sniper because honestly when i down on the battlefield fighting 3 to 4 guys at a time and most people know im good at this it is unfair that while taking out 3 to 4 guys i get 1 shotted by a sniper in an unreachable place..

or in tdm when the entire team is sniping the other half in vehicals running people over..
i dont need to rage most people in this game know my skill and know im a good competiter im just trying to get the odds evened

More like worth a recoiless spam

I don't get it. Why can't there be a variety of things you have to watch for? Learn to fight in cover. Watch where the snipers are, or have your squad call out sniper locations, or develop tactics other than Ar vs Ar. Snipers aren't broken and it's a valid tactic, so learn to compensate

well it seems easy to snipers but lets all be honest here. snipers alone can ruin the art of this game. i think there should be more detail to the sniper because honestly when i down on the battlefield fighting 3 to 4 guys at a time and most people know im good at this it is unfair that while taking out 3 to 4 guys i get 1 shotted by a sniper in an unreachable place..

or in tdm when the entire team is sniping the other half in vehicals running people over..
i dont need to rage most people in this game know my skill and know im a good competiter im just trying to get the odds evened

In all honesty sniping is a hell'uva lot easier in this build. Even I can snipe now and that's a major problem. They need to return the skill required to snipe because now everyone (including me) can snipe with complete ease now.

everything is easier this build
strafe got nerfed so aiming in general has been made easier for ppl

Being a heavy isn't easier.

I would like the old sway back, thus less people in my team are ****** snipers... I like challenge but playing alone vs enemy team, just because your teammates decided it is a good idea to scatter around the map and camp on some hills, is really frustrating.

As someone who generally enjoys sniping, I would have to say that CCP definitely need to return the sniper sway back as it is just too easy to line up a chest shot and double tap my way to victory. Also needs to have some sway even when crouched, cause this 100% steadiness is just not conducive to good game play. Sure, it's fun to get all these nearly free kills, but even I gotta say it's just too easy.

But your suggestions are just bad.

Increase the sway, and return the between shot sway, and we'll be good. Don't make it any more complicated than we need too.

Making this stuff skill-related would merely delay the issue. Assuming there is indeed an issue here.

Also, dropships are very powerful at taking out snipers.

I'm just gonna go ahead and say that this kind of stuff is what's going to destroy this game. Increase the skills reaquired to snipe, add sway to crouching, increase the recoil after a shot, etc... No, that's a bad idea. What CCP needs to do is fix this crap with snipers being behind cover where you can't shoot them but they can shoot you. That's it, nothing more. They fix that and then we see where we are. What in the holy hell is going on around here? All I see is "nerf this, nerf that" and almost no threads about "Hey, this needs a boost". Holy crap, the only threads about something needing a boost is because everybody cried like a little girl and got it nerfed and now whatever it is sucks.

Here's what happens when I play DUST. I log in, get in to a battle and then I try to kill you. I try to kill you over and over over. I will try to kill you until you throw the controller through the TV and call the cat a bitchass *****. Just because I succeed does not mean something needs a nerf. Damnit...there has really been some OP stuff but has anybody stopped to think and realize that CCP has nerfed almost every single thing in this game. Eventually we're going to be running around trying to kill each other with nothing but harsh language.

Right now there is one single problem with snipers, and that is the glitchy cover BS. I can't even snipe them with a perfect shot lined up, or they're actually behind the cover and I have no shot at all and yet they kill me. Get that fixed and then come back and talk to me about snipers needing a nerf. We're only playing on what, 3 maps right now? Don't you think there's going to be some that are great for sniping and some that are total crap? We're gonna get this game nerfed in to Cow Clicker if we don't watch out.

You dying is not a game issue, it's just you. Because I'm trying to kill you. TO KILL YOU. And yet you get mad when you die? Guess what, I die constantly. I don't have some insane KDR. Some matches I go 3/7. This is a game, which means someone has to win by someone else losing. There are some valid points in this thread, but I'm getting tired ot all this nerf crap and this thread gets my rant, deal with it.

TL:DR - Read it or STFU.

I'm just gonna go ahead and say that this kind of stuff is what's going to destroy this game. Increase the skills reaquired to snipe, add sway to crouching, increase the recoil after a shot, etc... No, that's a bad idea. What CCP needs to do is fix this crap with snipers being behind cover where you can't shoot them but they can shoot you. That's it, nothing more. They fix that and then we see where we are. What in the holy hell is going on around here? All I see is "nerf this, nerf that" and almost no threads about "Hey, this needs a boost". Holy crap, the only threads about something needing a boost is because everybody cried like a little girl and got it nerfed and now whatever it is sucks.

Here's what happens when I play DUST. I log in, get in to a battle and then I try to kill you. I try to kill you over and over over. I will try to kill you until you throw the controller through the TV and call the cat a bitchass *****. Just because I succeed does not mean something needs a nerf. Damnit...there has really been some OP stuff but has anybody stopped to think and realize that CCP has nerfed almost every single thing in this game. Eventually we're going to be running around trying to kill each other with nothing but harsh language.

Right now there is one single problem with snipers, and that is the glitchy cover BS. I can't even snipe them with a perfect shot lined up, or they're actually behind the cover and I have no shot at all and yet they kill me. Get that fixed and then come back and talk to me about snipers needing a nerf. We're only playing on what, 3 maps right now? Don't you think there's going to be some that are great for sniping and some that are total crap? We're gonna get this game nerfed in to Cow Clicker if we don't watch out.

You dying is not a game issue, it's just you. Because I'm trying to kill you. TO KILL YOU. And yet you get mad when you die? Guess what, I die constantly. I don't have some insane KDR. Some matches I go 3/7. This is a game, which means someone has to win by someone else losing. There are some valid points in this thread, but I'm getting tired ot all this nerf crap and this thread gets my rant, deal with it.

TL:DR - Read it or STFU.

Do you honestly believe that fixing a bug and making sniping easier will fix the problem.

On the subject of sway, crouched sway is unnessary crouching is enough of a penalty in it own right. But shot sway would reduct tac sniper abuse.

I'm a sniper and I've got to say sniping is NOT that easy if your trying to pick off people that know what there doing. Assault rifles in my opinion have way to much range.

How to avoid a sniper:

1. Stick to cover
2. Never run directly towards the sniper
3. If you see a sniper, try your best to flank him
4. You only get 1 hit killed if a headshot is involved, so don't do number 2.
5. Use an LAV to get to the sniper if he's up a hill.
6. Never stay still, your just asking for a headshot.

1. Lot of places have no cover. You can't stick in cover while moving from objective to objective, except for that one map where it's a big industrial facility.

2. You will be lucky if you even know where the sniper is shooting from.

3. If you see the sniper, he's liable to be a tiny dot off in the distance. His team is also probably between you and him. If you can take out the enemy team such that flanking the sniper becomes an option, you've already won.

4. Scouts often die in one hit to the body as well.

5. Good luck.

6. Moving targets aren't much harder to hit.


The problem is not the people snipers are shooting. The problem is the sniper rifles themselves. Sniping is easy. It's easy and it's safe unlike any other way of playing Dust. If you disagree, I'd recommend you see what it's like being regular AR infantry.

If you want to return sway to snipers that are crouched and stationary, then you need to put it into the sites of AR users, especially ones that are moving.


I can be MOVING with my AR and have pinpoint accuracy while scoped... Same as snipers that have to be crouched.

At the speeds the railgun based sniper rifles fire projectiles, bullet drop would be less then the dispersion of a real sniper rifle. The travel time could be added so shots on moving targets need lead, max range shot is about a 1/4 second of travel.

Adding kick between shots so you have to re-aim between shots would go along way. Maybe make that change and see if more is needed, rather then a bunch of changes at once.

sniper stuff

Wa wa wa

Lost my long winded reply...so in summary:

nothing about this game is realistic considering we run around in robotic suits

if we're going to knock snipers back to 21st century (bullet drop, weapon stablization, etc.) let's make sure it's done on all weapons...we're call the game MW3 Eve-Edition

I only go 30-1 when no one bothers to counter sniper me, 90% of my sniper deaths are from other snipers or tanks. Snipers (and everyone else) are ridiculously easy to spot anywhere on the map.

If we nerf the sniper let's make sure we a.) add prone position, b.) add bipod attachment and c.) fix the damn hit detection bug that causes 35% of my shots to be duds (these are all for the sake of realism of course).