you dont understand the core of the issue. the hit detection issue was solved. the speed changes were done additionally. scouts suits can be hit almost as easy as heavy suits now which makes scout suit obsolete.

if you compare the speed "advantage" of the scout suit with the assault suit (which currently is the most common) you will see that the speed difference is small when sprinting/running next to each other BUT the difference in shields, armor and fittings on the other hand is HUGE. an assault suit can easily be fit for speed and still be more durable than the scout suit.

having lower strafe speed is fine but the speed adavantage of scout suits is it too low for the drawbacks.

Kingbabar, like many of us before, you're pointing at the real issue.

1) Is the strafe nerf what allowed CCP to fix the hit detection in wich case it would make sense as it was the #1 issue everyone complained about. Yet we could interrogate ourselves on how in hell they couldnt find any solution to that matter other than killing straffing speed

2) On the other hand, if Hit detection was solved without needing any movement speed modification, then why the sudden change of dynamic in the game ? Why not fix HD, test with the precursor speed settings and see how people feel ?

IF, and i insist on the IF, hit detection was solved independantly, straf nerf wasnt needed. As chaotic quick left-right straffing in CQC would have most likely mean death now. And it would have maintain the dodging abilities and the tracking target skill needed intact.

Unfortunately, we can't now for sure between 1) and 2). Still, i sure pray for a return to precursor straffing and movement speed so i can finally see the specificity of the suits again on that matter.

Even with higher sprint speed a scout would be insane to take on a hmg. CCP made it very very clear that if a scout gets close to a hvy it should be game on. This is not the case and your fix wont make this so.

Still + 1 because this is a very important topic and your right about playstyles.

The side to side strafing was stupid yes but now we dont even have circle strafing. Why not give it back its high strafe speed but make it a little slower to change back and strafe the other way?

TBH I dont really know all I know is its ruined the game for alot of peeps and nowdays camping will get you everywhere.

Even with higher sprint speed a scout would be insane to take on a hmg. CCP made it very very clear that if a scout gets close to a hvy it should be game on. This is not the case and your fix wont make this so.

Still + 1 because this is a very important topic and your right about playstyles.

The side to side strafing was stupid yes but now we dont even have circle strafing. Why not give it back its high strafe speed but make it a little slower to change back and strafe the other way?

TBH I dont really know all I know is its ruined the game for alot of peeps and nowdays camping will get you everywhere.

Even with higher sprint speed a scout would be insane to take on a hmg. CCP made it very very clear that if a scout gets close to a hvy it should be game on. This is not the case and your fix wont make this so.

Still + 1 because this is a very important topic and your right about playstyles.

The side to side strafing was stupid yes but now we dont even have circle strafing. Why not give it back its high strafe speed but make it a little slower to change back and strafe the other way?

TBH I dont really know all I know is its ruined the game for alot of peeps and nowdays camping will get you everywhere.

I'm with you dude yet camping isnt that much present at the moment. I still manage to go forward objectives without being corner-waited each time. But, there's situations now where you have absolutely no chance to have any impact on the result when you had it before in precursor. It's not especially regarding killing a guy as much as it is about finding cover or exhausting a dude's ammo before having a chance to counter attack. And THAT is bothering me. big time.

As I see it, the reduced strafing speed is CCP's sollution to the bad hit detection issue.[/b]

Scouts were meant to take on heavys. It should take a rediculously long time if 1v1 but with circle strafing a shotgun scout or smg scout should win if they close without getting killed. Scouts need strafe boost back and hvys need a health boost back. Read some of the early posts from devs. This is how the game was intended..

Lol well I would say I'm right behind you on that one but thats not really true I would be waaaay infront running like a little pansy....from almost everything all the time.


Hvy hmg is just insane now and its lost its only predator the CQB scout.

Stopped playing my hmg char and deleted it because I should be working on my poor gungame skills not rofl stomping eveything.

I'd like to get some actual feedback on my idea.

Under the assumtion that: Low speed = proper hit detection.

Wouldn't that make the removal or reduction of "getting slowed down even further by enemy fire" be the right course of action to minimize the annoyance and restoring at least a little of the movement game?

I'd like to get some actual feedback on my idea.

Under the assumtion that: Low speed = proper hit detection.

Wouldn't that make the removal or reduction of "getting slowed down even further by enemy fire" be the right course of action to minimize the annoyance and restoring at least a little of the movement game?

Now its about tactical awareness of where the enemy is and where they are looking at for a proper avenue of attack versus lasts build of who cares how many are in front of me and my NEO bullet dodge moves.

I much prefer this build where when I see a heavy/HMG combo its no longer ohhh! look at the free kill as now the CQC defense move is RUN!! away! from the heavy.

Scouts were meant to take on heavys. It should take a rediculously long time if 1v1 but with circle strafing a shotgun scout or smg scout should win if they close without getting killed. Scouts need strafe boost back and hvys need a health boost back. Read some of the early posts from devs. This is how the game was intended..

Nah since it invalidates leveling up sharpshooter skills.
And just as early DEV posts about EVE do not equal EVE in its present state such is the expected state of Dust.
Its an evolving enterprise and not a set in stone roadmap.
Whats missing are absent game balance components such as a simple glue trap deployable only by scouts to trap enemy soldiers.

The fundamental assumption here is that the improvements to hit detection are related to the strafe speed changes. This assumption is being made because both changes were released at the same time. Sloppy experimental design CCP, tich tich =P

I'm thinking this assumption is incorrect.

-CCP stated that this build would have a new hit detection system. Taking this at face value tells us at the very least that we do not have the old hit detection system with slower strafe.

-There's more than one way to get high tangential velocity(technically angular velocity is the issue, but you know what i mean) that would give a gimped hit detection system trouble. A Merc or LAV moving at right angles to the shooter would also generate a hit detection issue. But we don't have to lead shots in this build, which supports the theory that the hit detection system has been fundamentally changed. I know we would normally think of having to lead targets a lag issue, but whatever the case things are different this build and we're still on the same hardware so that implies it's a code change.

It would be nice to get some confirmation fron the Devs on this one so we can put this topic to rest and discuss the remaining issues more clearly.

simple then keep the new HD and turn strafe back to how it was. who complained about strafe speed anyway why change it(exept for scout unhittable bug and anyway why change the strafe speed for all classes)? not going to happen because there's way too much coincidence that they enabled a HD fix and a strafe speed reduce in one patch. anyway it's their game if they are happy with making the gameplay not enjoyable to fix something hoping the players won't notice that's up to them.

a 25% player count drop says it all.

nope, we dont need circle dance parties like in the worst shooter that exists, aka halo the fps for kids.

slower strafe is fine as long as the speed is balanced across all classes but it currently is not, it makes no sense that the scout is suddenly a brick like the heavy.