DUST Search - My thoughts on the laser rifle

Tectonious Falcon wrote:

Xiree wrote:

Tectonious Falcon wrote:

Xiree wrote:

Medium range is close quarters... I've shot someone in the head from point blank... I've also zapped someone in a medium range... It just doesn't do anything, any how.

You said medium range is close quarters and say it doesn't work that close. Then you go on to say you also used it from medium range. Contradicting yourself? If you're a troll then you should try harder. However if your not...
Shotguns and smg's are cqc weapons. Those are guns you should use at point blank range.
Laser rifles are meant to be used at a distance that is smaller than long range (snipers) but greater than cq (shotguns)

The only long range weapons are Missle launcher, Mass driver, sniper rifle.

Please elaborate how I contradicted myself... If you can, but since your just trying to agrivate... I shouldn't even appoint to your little mind, but either way... Here lets just sum this up for you, troll.

Close quarters... Is from point-blank to medium range.

You can't shoot a assault rifle in long range, you only use it in close quarters.
You can evenly use a pistol in close quarters... The pistol goes from POINT BLANK - to medium RANGE.

So don't come up to me with your babble, troll.

Goodbye mister troll. I'm done with you. Forever. But please for the sake of everyone else on these forums improve your English skills.

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Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:08:00 - [1] - Quote Overall it's a good gun with a nice design to it and the damage is good from a certain range but I do have one problem , I feel powerless with it at close range because it does little to no damage at all up close, I don't know if this is how the gun is supposed to be but that's terrible fix it and the gun will be great
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:12:00 - [2] - Quote If the damage was the same at all ranges, then It would be perfectly good. I think its suppose to be that way though. Another solution would be to give it higher range to make up for its lack of short range power.
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:15:00 - [3] - Quote It does damage from distances? I been wanting to try to use it on a tank or vehicle, but NO ONE spawns tanks anymore... It is very crap weapon against infantry. I've killed one person with it, I don't know why it does, near no damage. I mean its a laser it would slice some people up... Not in Dust514 though. Blasting someone through the head is just useless. From point blank range. Lasers are close quarter weapons. I would have imagined but they do no damage! Maybe its a anti-vehicle gun? Was my only conclusion, but that still doesn't make sense. Why would infantry armor be more stronger than Tanks??
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:18:00 - [4] - Quote Xiree wrote: It does damage from distances? I been wanting to try to use it on a tank or vehicle, but NO ONE spawns tanks anymore... It is very crap weapon against infantry. I've killed one person with it, I don't know why it does, near no damage. I mean its a laser it would slice some people up... Not in Dust514 though. Blasting someone through the head is just useless. From point blank range. Lasers are close quarter weapons. I would have imagined but they do no damage! Maybe its a anti-vehicle gun? Was my only conclusion, but that still doesn't make sense. Why would infantry armor be more stronger than Tanks?? If you were up close than yes the gun is terrible , but from a distance it puts out a good amount of damage , went 6-0 at the begining of a match with it until some guy with a shotgun blasted me
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:18:00 - [5] - Quote Xiree wrote: It does damage from distances? I been wanting to try to use it on a tank or vehicle, but NO ONE spawns tanks anymore... It is very crap weapon against infantry. I've killed one person with it, I don't know why it does, near no damage. I mean its a laser it would slice some people up... Not in Dust514 though. Blasting someone through the head is just useless. From point blank range. Lasers are close quarter weapons. I would have imagined but they do no damage! Maybe its a anti-vehicle gun? Was my only conclusion, but that still doesn't make sense. Why would infantry armor be more stronger than Tanks?? They are not close quarter weapons. I'm pretty sure in the description is says they are medium range weapons.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:20:00 - [6] - Quote I recommend using it with a heavy suit, it makes you die way less. Right now it is a crap weapon, but you can get some kills with it with practice.
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:23:00 - [7] - Quote Medium range is close quarters... I've shot someone in the head from point blank... I've also zapped someone in a medium range... It just doesn't do anything, any how.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:26:00 - [8] - Quote Close quarters is melee to shotgun range. Mid range is around assault rifle's maximum range without skills.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:27:00 - [9] - Quote Xiree wrote: Medium range is close quarters... I've shot someone in the head from point blank... I've also zapped someone in a medium range... It just doesn't do anything, any how. You said medium range is close quarters and say it doesn't work that close. Then you go on to say you also used it from medium range. Contradicting yourself? If you're a troll then you should try harder. However if your not... Shotguns and smg's are cqc weapons. Those are guns you should use at point blank range. Laser rifles are meant to be used at a distance that is smaller than long range (snipers) but greater than cq (shotguns)
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:36:00 - [10] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Xiree wrote: Medium range is close quarters... I've shot someone in the head from point blank... I've also zapped someone in a medium range... It just doesn't do anything, any how. You said medium range is close quarters and say it doesn't work that close. Then you go on to say you also used it from medium range. Contradicting yourself? If you're a troll then you should try harder. However if your not... Shotguns and smg's are cqc weapons. Those are guns you should use at point blank range. Laser rifles are meant to be used at a distance that is smaller than long range (snipers) but greater than cq (shotguns) The only long range weapons are Missle launcher, Mass driver, sniper rifle. Please elaborate how I contradicted myself... If you can, but since your just trying to agrivate... I shouldn't even appoint to your little mind, but either way... Here lets just sum this up for you, troll. Close quarters... Is from point-blank to medium range. You can't shoot a assault rifle in long range, you only use it in close quarters. You can evenly use a pistol in close quarters... The pistol goes from POINT BLANK - to medium RANGE. So don't come up to me with your babble, troll.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:42:00 - [11] - Quote Yup, you're trolling again Xiree sighs I'm done here.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:47:00 - [12] - Quote Xiree wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Xiree wrote: Medium range is close quarters... I've shot someone in the head from point blank... I've also zapped someone in a medium range... It just doesn't do anything, any how. You said medium range is close quarters and say it doesn't work that close. Then you go on to say you also used it from medium range. Contradicting yourself? If you're a troll then you should try harder. However if your not... Shotguns and smg's are cqc weapons. Those are guns you should use at point blank range. Laser rifles are meant to be used at a distance that is smaller than long range (snipers) but greater than cq (shotguns) The only long range weapons are Missle launcher, Mass driver, sniper rifle. Please elaborate how I contradicted myself... If you can, but since your just trying to agrivate... I shouldn't even appoint to your little mind, but either way... Here lets just sum this up for you, troll. Close quarters... Is from point-blank to medium range. You can't shoot a assault rifle in long range, you only use it in close quarters. You can evenly use a pistol in close quarters... The pistol goes from POINT BLANK - to medium RANGE. So don't come up to me with your babble, troll. Goodbye mister troll. I'm done with you. Forever. But please for the sake of everyone else on these forums improve your English skills.
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:49:00 - [13] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Yup, you're trolling again Xiree sighs I'm done here. Good luck with that, troll Number 2... Maybe if you say that in one of your other aliases a few more times, Kagehoshi... I will actually believe it. Just don't get your hopes up. I may toss some more reminders up for you, but nothing to coordinative like how your buddies do. 1+ 2/6 :) Can you elaborate to say, how I was being a troll? Maybe you could get your friend to ridicule until you think your accusation is creditable. lol
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.05 05:53:00 - [14] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Xiree wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Xiree wrote: Medium range is close quarters... I've shot someone in the head from point blank... I've also zapped someone in a medium range... It just doesn't do anything, any how. You said medium range is close quarters and say it doesn't work that close. Then you go on to say you also used it from medium range. Contradicting yourself? If you're a troll then you should try harder. However if your not... Shotguns and smg's are cqc weapons. Those are guns you should use at point blank range. Laser rifles are meant to be used at a distance that is smaller than long range (snipers) but greater than cq (shotguns) The only long range weapons are Missle launcher, Mass driver, sniper rifle. Please elaborate how I contradicted myself... If you can, but since your just trying to agrivate... I shouldn't even appoint to your little mind, but either way... Here lets just sum this up for you, troll. Close quarters... Is from point-blank to medium range. You can't shoot a assault rifle in long range, you only use it in close quarters. You can evenly use a pistol in close quarters... The pistol goes from POINT BLANK - to medium RANGE. So don't come up to me with your babble, troll. Goodbye mister troll. I'm done with you. Forever. But please for the sake of everyone else on these forums improve your English skills. Could you please explain how I was contradicting myself? As I said, as you try to ridicule and procrastinate -- It still does not change the basis of my first question. If, you ever figure out how to answer, how I was contradicting myself, please feel free to explain how! Ridicule and patronizing doesn't really give you any substance. You are only showing what your troll intent is, Little flacon.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.10.05 06:03:00 - [15] - Quote The damage increases with distance, works pretty well at medium range vs ar, closer range ar, smg, shotgun, pistol, maybe even sniper work better. So, its medium range, ar is medium to close quarter, shot gun close quarter. In eve, beam lasers are almost as long range as rails(sniper) and artillery(mass driver). Pulse laser is the closer range type, maybe we'll get those later? If there is any issue it is the range is short, it should be longer range the minmatar rifle(no info given about what it will be yet), that should also be longer than gallette ar we have now.
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.05 06:11:00 - [16] - Quote Sub machine gun is also another gun that needs massive tweaking to it. It gives almost no real damage. Even at point blank range... A pistol does more damage from the hip and is more accurate. The SMG should do just as much damage as a pistol. Even the wide world of weapons, real weapons... SMGs hold the same type of ammo as hand guns... It just shoots faster.
Villanor Aquarius Shattered Ascension 79	Posted - 2012.10.05 06:12:00 - [17] - Quote There is a specific way to use this. Stop failing. At near to max assault rifle range the beam slaughters. In short range it does nothing. It functions exactly like eve.absolutely no close range damage and slaughter house damage at true miss ranges aka max range ar and then drops to no damage instantly. Key, use beam with smg. you beam and kite then any one gets near smg.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.10.05 06:55:00 - [18] - Quote Without Light weapon sharp shooter trained the laser rifle starts to loose effectiveness at 60m as the target gets below this range the amount of dmg you do will drop, at about 30m can't say exactly but i believe the effectiveness of the rifle is about 30% or less. I haven't tested the max range on the LR but i think its about 80-90m a little less then ARs or exactly the same, the AR looses a lot of its effectiveness at long range while the LR gets a bit of a bonus, plus the longer the beam is going the more dmg it does. I'm a good shot with both weapons and while all round the AR is the better weapon, at long range if you've got a steady aim the laser really shines, its a good idea to keep your SMG handy because at the range the laser becomes useless the SMG starts to become useful, give or take 10m.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.05 06:57:00 - [19] - Quote Xiree wrote: Medium range is close quarters... I've shot someone in the head from point blank... I've also zapped someone in a medium range... It just doesn't do anything, any how. Guys stop sucking. You have to hold down the fire button BEFORE you hit them. The longer you hold down the button the more damage it does. It does nothing to tanks it's all anti dropsuit. You can melt people in 2 seconds, All you need is to start firing it BEFORE you hit them. Yeah I know, it's wierd, but that's how the gun works.
Shiro Mokuzan GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 106	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:00:00 - [20] - Quote If I remember correctly, this is the same guy who argued for about two pages saying that "condescending" means repetitive. Just put him on your block list and be done with it like I have.

Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:07:00 - [21] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Without Light weapon sharp shooter trained the laser rifle starts to loose effectiveness at 60m as the target gets below this range the amount of dmg you do will drop, at about 30m can't say exactly but i believe the effectiveness of the rifle is about 30% or less. I haven't tested the max range on the LR but i think its about 80-90m a little less then ARs or exactly the same, the AR looses a lot of its effectiveness at long range while the LR gets a bit of a bonus, plus the longer the beam is going the more dmg it does. I'm a good shot with both weapons and while all round the AR is the better weapon, at long range if you've got a steady aim the laser really shines, its a good idea to keep your SMG handy because at the range the laser becomes useless the SMG starts to become useful, give or take 10m. I can tell you now that Beld is right. We tested the LR. I lost our duels most of the time however
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:24:00 - [22] - Quote Guys, your wrong, lasers don't do less damage at closer range, you are literally just wrong. It does more damage the LONGER YOU ARE FIRING. This is why the advanced and prototype lasers don't do anymore damage, they only have less heat build up. Because that means more damage. You are doing nutty math. The LR does 15 damage per ammo, then 16 and so on. The 50th bullet does like 56 damage. And ammo runs out fast. By the end of the cycle you can kill people within 10m by just turning the laser through them as they burn a horrible death with no more effort than to get him it it's sights for 4 pluses.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:26:00 - [23] - Quote crazy space wrote: Guys, your wrong, lasers don't do less damage at closer range, you are literally just wrong. It does more damage the LONGER YOU ARE FIRING. This is why the advanced and prototype lasers don't do anymore damage, they only have less heat build up. Because that means more damage. You are doing nutty math. The LR does 15 damage per ammo, then 16 and so on. The 50th bullet does like 56 damage. And ammo runs out fast. By the end of the cycle you can kill people within 10m by just turning the laser through them as they burn a horrible death with no more effort than to get him it it's sights for 4 pluses. Proto actually does do more damage
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:32:00 - [24] - Quote @crazy space... Nope either way... I shot a dude... Constantly back of the dome... He just kinda sat there, didn't move... Maybe it was melting his brain and it was kinda surprising him, but either way didn't kill him as fast as I thought it would have. I shot a dude for like 30 seconds with the gun constantly... Took that whole 30 seconds to kill him.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.10.05 07:47:00 - [25] - Quote crazy space wrote: Guys, your wrong, lasers don't do less damage at closer range, you are literally just wrong. It does more damage the LONGER YOU ARE FIRING. This is why the advanced and prototype lasers don't do anymore damage, they only have less heat build up. Because that means more damage. You are doing nutty math. The LR does 15 damage per ammo, then 16 and so on. The 50th bullet does like 56 damage. And ammo runs out fast. By the end of the cycle you can kill people within 10m by just turning the laser through them as they burn a horrible death with no more effort than to get him it it's sights for 4 pluses. point it at one of your own team members when they are 10-30m away you'll notice the effectiveness % is anywhere between 5-30% it will still do damage and if you hold it for 70 rounds it will probably do semi decent dmg, but if you whipped out your smg you'd do the same dmg in a 1-2 second burst. So you are wrong that range has nothing to do with the weapon, but yes you are right about the continuous fire doing more dmg, it says that every time you pull it out congrats on being able to read a tool tip.
La Fortune Terranauts 36	Posted - 2012.10.05 09:04:00 - [26] - Quote So I've been using the laser rifle since this build and it's ******* awesome. It does less damage the closer the target is and it does less damage initially that increases the longer the beam is active. This basically means that using the weapon up close = death, but hit anything with it from the laser rifle's max range (which is beyond the effective range of ARs) and your target will melt in seconds. For me this means I've liquidated AR users who have taken pot shots at me that do barely any damage and surprisingly quite a few snipers who must think they're a safe enough distance away to try and snipe at me. For close range just use a sidearm, I'm liking the scram pistol for this and for vehicles just use grenades. Generally though, just stay behind your team mates and provide covering fire, in some instances I've got a few multi kills from a charged up beam sweeping across damaged enemy dropsuits. Laser rifles are also really effective when you're in a hard to access place too, like a building top.


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