DUST Search - Tanks are USELESS with OB /PS spam.

Frank A wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

GM Hercules wrote:

You can create a new topic in this section : Feedback/Requests requesting exactly what you want the game improve. Since the "general discussion" section is not the appropriate for this kind of discussion.

thanks! Big smile

Game Developers time is very limited so the first thing is to see if there is a problem on an elongated front that impacts a significant playerbase number.

With all due respect but before creating a request thread the proper problem solution protocol is to VERIFY if others are also seeing the problem and thus a general talk/discusion thus follows.

THEN when the problem has been identified to be WIDESPREAD then a request thread is done to provide possible player generated solutions to be included in said request thread pending eventual final and evolving fixes generated by the Game Developers that may or may not include player generated solutions to the aforementioned problem.

Thank you.

Possible solutions:
1. increase WP needed.
2. kills from OB / PS do not count towards a new one.
3. cool down timer.
4.vehicle repairs do not generate WP for strikes.
5.strikes either damage vehicles or infantry but not! both.
6.selectable EMP strikes
7. 100 K ISK cost per strike for PS.

All you need is the one bolded - problem solved

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charlesnette dalari Creative Killers 159	Posted - 2012.10.02 22:41:00 - [31] - Quote GM Hercules wrote: If you drive a tank by yourself, there is a big possibility to get kill in a few seconds; but if you use the appropriate modules in your fittings and other two friends help you as well, you will enjoy it! Dev Hercules with all due respect you are missing the point. Look at the forums since the new build there are a ton with complaints about people SP farming, cheating, to get strikes they didn't earn through normal game play which is a violation of the EULA. Rather than tell players to work better as a team or equip better modules how about banning the cheaters who are disregarding the rules they agree to each time they launch Dust. If this is not fixed by banning the SP farmers you will have a great game that nobody wants to play. These cheaters found this exploit last build and the SP cap you implemented did nothing to deter them. They are no longer doing this to help the game by finding exploits they are doing it to grief others and should be stopped not with another warning or tweak to the code but with a ban. Make an example here for the good of the future of Dust and send the message CCP will not allow people to disregard the EULA while laughing at you for not holding them accountable.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.10.02 23:41:00 - [32] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38804&find=unread Thread in the feedback section regarding this issue. I've seen several threads on this in both general and feedback with (collectively) the following summery. 1. Increase WP needed to earn a OB/PS ~2700 seems about right (or roughly double the current rate) 2. Do not count WP gained by use of a OB/PS toward the acquisition of another. 3. Change WP awards for use of an OB/PS such that all squad members earn assists from kills made via the OB/PS (as opposed to current system where squad leaders are awarded kills and others are given nothing) The following three changes should resolve any further issues with regards to this imbalance.
Ironic Kitten Mecha Trained Assault Cats 23	Posted - 2012.10.03 00:04:00 - [33] - Quote gangsta nachos wrote: only been killed once so far, while I was in a group of players never while im alone better than 3 people shooting at me from a tank No -- the O/S death you had last night was while you were trying to take a defended while another player called the OS down. The kill while you were in the group of players was either an assault rifle or a grenade -- I can't remember which
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.10.03 00:24:00 - [34] - Quote GM Hercules wrote: If you drive a tank by yourself, there is a big possibility to get kill in a few seconds; but if you use the appropriate modules in your fittings and other two friends help you as well, you will enjoy it! lolwut? i got a triple kill on a tank via Orbital strike 1. no time to get away and 2. u can get them like every 20-30 secs
Heinrich Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 142	Posted - 2012.10.03 00:38:00 - [35] - Quote GM Hercules wrote: If you drive a tank by yourself, there is a big possibility to get kill in a few seconds; but if you use the appropriate modules in your fittings and other two friends help you as well, you will enjoy it! Translation: HTFU boys and girls! Nobody's invincible.
Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.10.03 01:42:00 - [36] - Quote GM Hercules wrote: If you drive a tank by yourself, there is a big possibility to get kill in a few seconds; but if you use the appropriate modules in your fittings and other two friends help you as well, you will enjoy it! lololol! Wow! Really?! Damage control FAIL!
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.03 05:52:00 - [37] - Quote GM Hercules wrote: You can create a new topic in this section : Feedback/Requests requesting exactly what you want the game improve. Since the "general discussion" section is not the appropriate for this kind of discussion. thanks! Game Developers time is very limited so the first thing is to see if there is a problem on an elongated front that impacts a significant playerbase number. With all due respect but before creating a request thread the proper problem solution protocol is to VERIFY if others are also seeing the problem and thus a general talk/discusion thus follows. THEN when the problem has been identified to be WIDESPREAD then a request thread is done to provide possible player generated solutions to be included in said request thread pending eventual final and evolving fixes generated by the Game Developers that may or may not include player generated solutions to the aforementioned problem. Thank you. Possible solutions: 1. increase WP needed. 2. kills from OB / PS do not count towards a new one. 3. cool down timer. 4.vehicle repairs do not generate WP for strikes. 5.strikes either damage vehicles or infantry but not! both. 6.selectable EMP strikes 7. 100 K ISK cost per strike for PS.
Tyler Hall Algintal Core Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2012.10.03 06:32:00 - [38] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Whats the point of training tanks if folks are going to spam OB/PS strikes every twenty seconds?? I agree, the OB is getting very very old very very fast. there are at least 10 to 20 per match. i could see that if we had 120 players on the field, but man what a joke.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.03 12:09:00 - [39] - Quote crazy space wrote: GM Hercules wrote: If you drive a tank by yourself, there is a big possibility to get kill in a few seconds; but if you use the appropriate modules in your fittings and other two friends help you as well, you will enjoy it! I think they mean how OBs one shot a tank. So it won't matter what you fit or how high you train Agreed! It makes wasting millions of sp to train tanks pointless.
Frank A Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 99	Posted - 2012.10.03 12:23:00 - [40] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: GM Hercules wrote: You can create a new topic in this section : Feedback/Requests requesting exactly what you want the game improve. Since the "general discussion" section is not the appropriate for this kind of discussion. thanks! Game Developers time is very limited so the first thing is to see if there is a problem on an elongated front that impacts a significant playerbase number. With all due respect but before creating a request thread the proper problem solution protocol is to VERIFY if others are also seeing the problem and thus a general talk/discusion thus follows. THEN when the problem has been identified to be WIDESPREAD then a request thread is done to provide possible player generated solutions to be included in said request thread pending eventual final and evolving fixes generated by the Game Developers that may or may not include player generated solutions to the aforementioned problem. Thank you. Possible solutions: 1. increase WP needed. 2. kills from OB / PS do not count towards a new one. 3. cool down timer. 4.vehicle repairs do not generate WP for strikes. 5.strikes either damage vehicles or infantry but not! both. 6.selectable EMP strikes 7. 100 K ISK cost per strike for PS. All you need is the one bolded - problem solved

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.03 13:00:00 - [41] - Quote Frank A wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: GM Hercules wrote: You can create a new topic in this section : Feedback/Requests requesting exactly what you want the game improve. Since the "general discussion" section is not the appropriate for this kind of discussion. thanks! Game Developers time is very limited so the first thing is to see if there is a problem on an elongated front that impacts a significant playerbase number. With all due respect but before creating a request thread the proper problem solution protocol is to VERIFY if others are also seeing the problem and thus a general talk/discusion thus follows. THEN when the problem has been identified to be WIDESPREAD then a request thread is done to provide possible player generated solutions to be included in said request thread pending eventual final and evolving fixes generated by the Game Developers that may or may not include player generated solutions to the aforementioned problem. Thank you. Possible solutions: 1. increase WP needed. 2. kills from OB / PS do not count towards a new one. 3. cool down timer. 4.vehicle repairs do not generate WP for strikes. 5.strikes either damage vehicles or infantry but not! both. 6.selectable EMP strikes 7. 100 K ISK cost per strike for PS. All you need is the one bolded - problem solved Commander Wang Sir Philip Wang just tweeted that lets give it a few days before the Elves are sent in to fix things.
Musta Tornius BetaMax. 265	Posted - 2012.10.03 14:18:00 - [42] - Quote Got a link Tech?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.10.03 16:56:00 - [43] - Quote actually I was doing turret for a tank driver and never died once all we did was watch for the blue lazor of death and make sure the driver was aware of incoming bombardments so he could 1:drive away or 2:get under something
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.04 06:54:00 - [44] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Got a link Tech? Sir Philip Wang Commander Wang Twitter feed. https://twitter.com/ccp_cmdrwang
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.10.04 06:57:00 - [45] - Quote i have seen a lot of times as soon as a tank or a dropship enters the map they are immediately hit with bombardments and toasted. i know this because i called in some of them.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.04 07:06:00 - [46] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: i have seen a lot of times as soon as a tank or a dropship enters the map they are immediately hit with bombardments and toasted. i know this because i called in some of them. Sadly true and it makes tanks and dropships pointless. But even worse is the absent thrill of the hunt of the lone forge gunner engageing and killing a heavy marauder sagaris tank That fun is gone from this build. It also makes training any kind of AV specialty also pointless since basic or even militia swarms easily kill the LAvs that everyones using.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 191	Posted - 2012.10.04 11:50:00 - [47] - Quote GM Hercules wrote: If you drive a tank by yourself, there is a big possibility to get kill in a few seconds; but if you use the appropriate modules in your fittings and other two friends help you as well, you will enjoy it! Yes, but the problem with precision strikes remain. There is the need of a cooldown timer. During fanfest you said that orbital strikes would have had a timer so that you couldn't just spam Battleship Rounds on the ground, why didn't you limit the precision strike too?
Cyn1de Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.10.04 12:55:00 - [48] - Quote Frank A wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: GM Hercules wrote: You can create a new topic in this section : Feedback/Requests requesting exactly what you want the game improve. Since the "general discussion" section is not the appropriate for this kind of discussion. thanks! Game Developers time is very limited so the first thing is to see if there is a problem on an elongated front that impacts a significant playerbase number. With all due respect but before creating a request thread the proper problem solution protocol is to VERIFY if others are also seeing the problem and thus a general talk/discusion thus follows. THEN when the problem has been identified to be WIDESPREAD then a request thread is done to provide possible player generated solutions to be included in said request thread pending eventual final and evolving fixes generated by the Game Developers that may or may not include player generated solutions to the aforementioned problem. Thank you. Possible solutions: 1. increase WP needed. 2. kills from OB / PS do not count towards a new one. 3. cool down timer. 4.vehicle repairs do not generate WP for strikes. 5.strikes either damage vehicles or infantry but not! both. 6.selectable EMP strikes 7. 100 K ISK cost per strike for PS. All you need is the one bolded - problem solved If vehicle repairing doesn't generate WPs for a Logi, kills shouldn't generate WPs for Assault, Scout, or Heavy. Seeing as how you are basically kneecapping the class and taking away there best and fastest way to earn WP and SP
Whispercrow Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 102	Posted - 2012.10.04 13:52:00 - [49] - Quote Damage needs to be tracked "By Enemy" and "Total HP". Repairing the enemy damage should award WP, repairing 'other' damage should not. Problem solved. Of course, then they have to write a routing to track the damage seperately, which sucks, and it's probably not going to be done that way. --- I watched a dude get his Gunnlogi with missile turrets get popped by a Precision Strike. That has to suck, had to be at least a half mil in mods lost to guys washing a car back at base. I've found that if you keep moving and don't sit still, you can easily dodge the Precision Strike in a tank. Those new speed boost mods help too. The trick is to get them to shoot at you when you're in a sub-par place next to a good place. They call in the lightning, you just move 10 yards away (meters for you metric guys) and resume shelling the enemy while the strike goes on. Seems they can't call in two at the same time, so you're golden.
Corban Lahnder ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.10.04 14:04:00 - [50] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: GM Hercules wrote: If you drive a tank by yourself, there is a big possibility to get kill in a few seconds; but if you use the appropriate modules in your fittings and other two friends help you as well, you will enjoy it! No!.....just no. With OB/PS being spammed every thirty or twenty seconds then its sure death to deploy a HAV or spawn in any area due to this problem. Spawn as a heavy? death from OB/PS spam. Spawn as a scout? dead. Assault? dead. LAV to run fast? dead from PS spam. HAV? DEAD from PS spam. Dropship? dead from PS spam. Solution??? spawn inside MCC and stay there. NOT! any fun at all. Please fix. Dont forget when this **** goes live there are no precision strikes only OB delivered by capsuleers. And considering how unbalanced an OB fit will be on a space ship they will be very vulnerable to ships that have more balanced fits. OB's and PS are an anoyance we will have to slog through in beta because they dont have it conected to the risk capsuleers will have to put on the line to deliver it to us.

nakamakazi Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2012.10.04 16:12:00 - [51] - Quote Corban Lahnder wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: GM Hercules wrote: If you drive a tank by yourself, there is a big possibility to get kill in a few seconds; but if you use the appropriate modules in your fittings and other two friends help you as well, you will enjoy it! No!.....just no. With OB/PS being spammed every thirty or twenty seconds then its sure death to deploy a HAV or spawn in any area due to this problem. Spawn as a heavy? death from OB/PS spam. Spawn as a scout? dead. Assault? dead. LAV to run fast? dead from PS spam. HAV? DEAD from PS spam. Dropship? dead from PS spam. Solution??? spawn inside MCC and stay there. NOT! any fun at all. Please fix. Dont forget when this **** goes live there are no precision strikes only OB delivered by capsuleers. And considering how unbalanced an OB fit will be on a space ship they will be very vulnerable to ships that have more balanced fits. OB's and PS are an anoyance we will have to slog through in beta because they dont have it conected to the risk capsuleers will have to put on the line to deliver it to us. I don't think a lot of dust players understand the risk and coordination it will take in the future. Putting and eve battleship in orbit, while possibly other corp is coming to kill it, and gun based anti ship defenses to worry about...these strikes will not be as numerous nor a simple "it just happens cuz we repair things" occurrence. But this precision strike bit....definitely needs to be adjusted.
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 192	Posted - 2012.10.04 16:23:00 - [52] - Quote I love the way the GM's response is basically "L2P!". It made me lol hard, can I have your job Hercules? If you honestly don't see that OB's/OS's are an issue Hercules get yourself on the live server and actually play the game. It's horrendous. You can farm them without even farming SP if you know how. My squad leader went 49-3 in one match as our squad was pretty much earning them constantly.


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