What Im saying is this not a solution, but a problem.

I understand you eve players like to play house, and your badass at it

This system might be good for mmo, but it is horrible for FPS. CCP is basically saying because you're so loyal to our game we are going make super strong

Time played> Gun GAME
lol

depends on how big the cap is tbh
ppl shouldnt be punished too much and make this game painfully slow grind just because they can play a bit more.

this also makes it harder for newer players to catch up to vets months down the line
when u got that cap in place no matter how much time a newbie has to play catch up he will now struggle to close the SP gap and as u said.............this is a game of consequence and now the newbie is being punished because he didnt start playing from day 1.

depends on how big the cap is tbh
ppl shouldnt be punished too much and make this game painfully slow grind just because they can play a bit more.

this also makes it harder for newer players to catch up to vets months down the line
when u got that cap in place no matter how much time a newbie has to play catch up he will now struggle to close the SP gap and as u said.............this is a game of consequence and now the newbie is being punished because he didnt start playing from day 1.

How do you figure dude? I've been playing CONSOLE first person shooters for as long as I've had a PS3 - which I bought for Dust 514. I have no issue going toe-to-toe with the majority of players and admittedly there are a few that I still have issues with (but actively avoid).

Time played doesn't mean anything over skill.
Skill doesn't mean anything over time played.

It's a perfect system that all depends on the player itself that learns by their mistakes and can counteract their flaws over time - such is the way of everything New Eden is.

How do you think people that have just come to EVE feel? Having less than 1m SP against some people with 100m?

They can still win though and do on a regular basis, your point is moot as it's pointed out and proven wrong multiple times in EVE.

This is not MAG, This is EVE in FPS form.

All your opinion on the subject is based on your eve experience... which I must point out is MMO, and not a FPS
new players if they have dedication and will power should be able to catch up.
Right now in build is great example of what happens when A FULL PROTO vet a goes against a militia.

This game has always been TIME PLAYED>GUN GAME... now its just long term

For once I'm going to shake hands with a Goon and say to just ignore them, they're stupid and obsolved in their own ideals - thereby it is pointless to try and change them for we are EVETARDS NYEH-HEH-HEH-HAH.

Seriously though it's not worth trying to explain it to the lesser beings. Let them toil about in their own discord.

And why the **** shouldn't it be that way? This game was never intended to be ****ing balanced - if you don't like it go back to your p.o.s FPS game. I get tired of this same freaggin argument over and over again.

edit: This is the same frakking logic you're trying to prove so what's the got damn issue?

Hardly. I'll say it -yet again- it's all about specialization. A player that chooses to put his skill-points all in Tanks, investing MILLIONS of SP into them won't be able to fight a new player in an infantry battle..

Or did you somehow forget what happened after the vehicle hotfix when everyone stopped using Tanks and were crying to have their SP reimbursed because they didn't have anything to fight with?

Generally we do what we're talking about when we're not trolling you know. ;)

As for the FPS comparisons against an MMO game are you missing that this is a FPSMMO not a FPS or a MMO?

I suppose the next thing you're going to say is that because its a FPSMMO and not a MMOFPS that the FPS section and balance should be put before anything MMO related.

Generally we do what we're talking about when we're not trolling you know. ;)

As for the FPS comparisons against an MMO game are you missing that this is a FPSMMO not a FPS or a MMO?

I suppose the next thing you're going to say is that because its a FPSMMO and not a MMOFPS that the FPS section and balance should be put before anything MMO related.

No. Only one. If you want to change to skill another, all skill training on the first must be stopped. Its why many have multiple accounts

THIS

But your argument was how the system was now more balanced, and now you agree with may statement that the system is unbalanced

glad we could agree on something ;)

And why the **** shouldn't it be that way? This game was never intended to be ****ing balanced - if you don't like it go back to your p.o.s FPS game. I get tired of this same freaggin argument over and over again.

edit: This is the same frakking logic you're trying to prove so what's the got damn issue?

A hardcore player that starts even just one week after launch who always hits the cap will NEVER catch up to a hardcore player that starts on day one and also always hits the cap.

i lol'd at that part
sooooo.................why was tanks nerfed again? because u know ppl didnt specialize in proto AV and cried for CCP to balance a TANK against the solo AV guy and not a squad of AV

Don't think that last bit was in relation toward me so I'm going to ignore it for now.

So which would you prefer:

System A) A player experiences diminishing returns but no hard cap to where they can just endless rack in SP, so that from Day One they will have AN INCREDIBLE ADVANTAGE over a new player.

or

System B) Where a player starting from day one his a hard-cap but will always have an advantage over a new player.

Just saying, System B is the lesser of two evils. I'd rather fight against someone who's faced hard-caps and has a set amount of SP because he's been playing longer than I have than someone who does absolutely nothing with their life -AND- has been playing longer than me with no limitations on how much he can gain from his matches.

But I can't honestly expect anyone on these forums to understand that logic because CARROTS AND PEAS ARE BAD FOR ME

No it wasn't it was aimed at whoever it was that was claiming dust a FPS game first and was in fact not an MMO

Why can't there be a happy medium? I'm sure CCP is smart enough to figure this out.

Just because EVE does something one way doesn't mean its the best or right decision for dust.

Why can't there be a happy medium? I'm sure CCP is smart enough to figure this out.

Just because EVE does something one way doesn't mean its the best or right decision for dust.

I never once agree'd with you - and your strawman argument is ridiculous.

We're done here, and I desperately await the opportunity to show you how little your "gun-game" matters in New Eden.

They -did- dude. Diminishing returns over the course of a week with a hard-cap. It doesn't get much more middle ground than that. ANYTHING else and it's too one-sided in either direction.

Because Dust is EVE in FPS form, this is not DUST the FPS that's seperate to EVE.

If CCP changed how SP works they risk loosing their entire playerbase in EVE when they realise that someone whos been playing Dust for a month has more SP than they have gained in a year.

now Im gonna have re quote all this stuff ahhh
In summary,
You said the that the new SP cap system being implemented was perfect! however, I then explained how the system, long term, was unbalance for new players.

You then said "And why the **** shouldn't it be that way? This game was never intended to be ****ing balanced"

So you agree that this game is unbalanced ie. "This game was never intended to be ****ing balanced"

Lastly, how can a system be perfect if its imbalanced , contradiction much ;/

Maybe they'll put an hour of thought into it and think they've come to the best and only conclusion.


Or maybe they'll do some testing and get some feedback from the non-fanboys.

Maybe they'll put an hour of thought into it and think they've come to the best and only conclusion.


Or maybe they'll do some testing and get some feedback from the non-fanboys.

Since you skipped over it to get your point across I'll repost it again:

System A) A player experiences diminishing returns but no hard cap to where they can just endless rack in SP, so that from Day One they will have AN INCREDIBLE ADVANTAGE over a new player.

or

System B) Where a player starting from day one his a hard-cap but will always have an advantage over a new player.

Just saying, System B is the lesser of two evils. I'd rather fight against someone who's faced hard-caps and has a set amount of SP because he's been playing longer than I have than someone who does absolutely nothing with their life -AND- has been playing longer than me with no limitations on how much he can gain from his matches.