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Deadly Mitauchi SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 140	Posted - 2012.09.25 14:32:00 - [31] - Quote Saiibot wrote: If ccp keeps treating dust like its eve online on a console, it'll crash n burn quite rapidly News flash!!!! DUST 514 is Eve Online on a console.
Drake Lyons Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 209	Posted - 2012.09.25 14:37:00 - [32] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: This is the problem. Everything we "know" is from a friend or someone one IRC. nothing from CCP. So why did people believe the build was last week? Because of the con in Japan. Why did people think the build was today? Because of the new PS3 dropping. No one at CCP has ever said it was coming and until I see CCP announce in writing then its not coming. Wel, my statement regarding the video was actually from CCP Frame via IRC. So it's not all speculation. But until we have patch notes posted...
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.09.25 14:58:00 - [33] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: These guys just don't know how to market their games properly. . I look at this two ways;Yeah,they aren't doing much advertising of the game,but you have to ask yourself why? Maybe it's because they figure,why do mass advertising on a game that isn't even finished yet?Maybe they are hard at work getting their crap together so that they don't have to patch the game within the first few days of launch,like 90% of shooters today.If this is the case,then I applaud them for that. Secondly,maybe there's something in their deal with Sony stating that Sony will do all of the advertising,meaning that Sony will bear the majority of the cost to advertise the game.While this game will be connected to EVE,the one thing that EVE has going for it is that it's subscription based.Technically,even though Dust is F2P and is microtransaction based,there was a mathematical potential for Dust to not make one penny off of players.While people have spent money on AUR and the Merc Pack,there's pretty much no way that they will make nearly anything close to what they would've made had it been a $60 game. So back to my point,If Sony is in charge of marketing and advertising this game,you can bet that they will do the absolute minimum considering that the short returns just won't be there,yet making Dust not very economically viable.Now I think that they are banking on long term returns through micro transactions,that will carry over into the next console generation. If they can get a 50k+ people to spend an average of $5 per week for,say seven years(the supposed time it takes to fully upgrade a character's skills),well,it's a huge win for them then,to the tune of $13,000,000/per year with a grand total of $91,000,00.Let's just assume that Sony takes half of that cut just for CCP being on PSN,well,$6.5 million per year isn't a COD haul by any stretch,but for a game that's F2P that Sony doesn't really have to do much work for,not bad for them.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.25 15:00:00 - [34] - Quote Microtransaction games are often extremely profitable, so I'm not sure I see your point... at all...
General Stonewall Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2012.09.25 16:11:00 - [35] - Quote statically F2P MMOs make way more money in general than P2P MMOs do so the guys above doesn't make much sense or least imo it doesn't i know you F2P over P2P MMOs making more money is debatable but statistics don't lie at least majority of the time anyway . micro transactions are perfect way for them to make their money back but with them jacking prices i don't see myself buying anymore aur until they fix their major bug problems so new build which i would like too see but if its going to cause more problems then no . but i would like them to fix majority of their problems like the lag and invalids along with a few other problems before they do anything else . until CCP does that not getting another red cent out of me . far as new build goes i don't really care but ive been expected since you can simply put two and two together with Sony marketing this game with the new model ps3s so all n all you can assume new build would be soon for the newer Croud of folks coming in as of today if not its going to be a boring bumpy ride for them and maybe a big turn off for them as well . for me i would like to see it for the fact is same old maps death match a bazillion times and objective matches being 1 in every 50 matches is just crazy and gets boring after few hours of play i love the game but now i can't stand to play more than 2-4 hrs at a time without not taking a break in between use to be double that non stop w/o breaks . but same ol same ol is getting lame .CCP out with it soon already i know you make no promises but c'mon man get with it already .
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.09.25 16:22:00 - [36] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Microtransaction games are often extremely profitable, so I'm not sure I see your point... at all... My point was in regards to your question.Try reading it next time.BTW,this is the first time that a we are seeing micro transactions in an MMO shooter on console,so I wouldn't extrapolate whatever statistics that you have into Dust.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.09.25 16:28:00 - [37] - Quote General Stonewall wrote: statically F2P MMOs make way more money in general than P2P MMOs do so the guys above doesn't make much sense or least imo it doesn't i know you F2P over P2P MMOs making more money is debatable but statics don't lie at least majority of the time anyway . micro transactions are perfect way for them to make their money back but with them jacking prices i don't see myself buying anymore aur until they fix their major bug problems so new build which i would like too see but if its going to cause more problems then no . but i would like them to fix majority of their problems like the lag and invalids along with a few other problems before they do anything else . until CCP does that not getting another red cent out of me . Please name them and show numbers,but regardless of that,I'm not even disputing which one makes more money anyway.Part of what you aren't taking into account is that you can pretty much bet that Sony has their hands in the pocket of CCP's micro transaction earnings,which is why I said that short term,it's not huge profits,but long term it is. If COD comes out every year,as it already does,and makes one billion dollars in 16 days like MW3,then how do you figure that Dust comes close to that?Remember,this IS a shooter first,and in a gaming space that is very fickle.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.09.25 16:38:00 - [38] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Please name them and show numbers http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/01/06/turbine-lotro-revenue-tripled-since-going-f2p/ Lord of the Rings Online has made 3x as much money since becoming F2P. It isn't a coincidence that so many MMOs are going this route. People don't like paying monthly fees. They do like paying small amounts for cosmetic stuff, convenience stuff, and new content. If you read about the musings of MMO developers on this issue, it's clear that F2P is the future of these games.
Corban Lahnder ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.09.25 16:52:00 - [39] - Quote I hope they let the new ps3 owners into the current build bugs and all. They need to learn the ccp philosophy to building games. "Heres are most recent build... ...now go **** yourself."
Jin Robot Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 330	Posted - 2012.09.25 17:13:00 - [40] - Quote Its going to be okay. I dont see why people thought the 25th held any significance.

Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.09.25 17:22:00 - [41] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Its going to be okay. I dont see why people thought the 25th held any significance. Because CCP is giving out a new "merc pack" type package with the new PS3, that this must mean a new build is coming as well.
Jin Robot Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 330	Posted - 2012.09.25 17:40:00 - [42] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Its going to be okay. I dont see why people thought the 25th held any significance. Because CCP is giving out a new "merc pack" type package with the new PS3, that this must mean a new build is coming as well. I dont see the correlation, where are you seeing it stated that the new build will release with the bundle?
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.09.25 17:44:00 - [43] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Please name them and show numbers http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/01/06/turbine-lotro-revenue-tripled-since-going-f2p/ Lord of the Rings Online has made 3x as much money since becoming F2P. It isn't a coincidence that so many MMOs are going this route. People don't like paying monthly fees. They do like paying small amounts for cosmetic stuff, convenience stuff, and new content. If you read about the musings of MMO developers on this issue, it's clear that F2P is the future of these games. Thank you for following up.Again though,this isn't a regular MMO,nor is it on PC,so the established model for F2P on PC may not be the same for console shooters.Just something to take into account.
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.09.25 17:58:00 - [44] - Quote was going to log in but i wanted to ask CCP this first before i even bothered turning on the ps3. Have you fixed dust yet ? all the invalid fittings and etc etc etc ? i guess i can answer that without logging in ? answer would be NO ? well thats why your Player count is falling downwards, and the reason i am enjoying my break from brokendust. <3 Tami, sitting at home relaxing with a hot cuppa and my eve client
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.09.25 18:03:00 - [45] - Quote Well done you know what date it is
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1592	Posted - 2012.09.25 18:05:00 - [46] - Quote My frakking god! People, what is up with you. Earlier I asked CCP about addressing the speculation, but then I remembered, this speculation is our own doing. CCP never announced the date of the new build. So why are we still acting like CCP promised anything when nothing was promised?
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.09.25 18:58:00 - [47] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Its going to be okay. I dont see why people thought the 25th held any significance. Because CCP is giving out a new "merc pack" type package with the new PS3, that this must mean a new build is coming as well. I dont see the correlation, where are you seeing it stated that the new build will release with the bundle? It doesn't at all. People are reading between lines that don't exist. They don't understand how CCP can invite more people to the Beta without a new build coming out. Conclusions. Leaps. Etc.
Jin Robot Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 330	Posted - 2012.09.25 19:01:00 - [48] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Its going to be okay. I dont see why people thought the 25th held any significance. Because CCP is giving out a new "merc pack" type package with the new PS3, that this must mean a new build is coming as well. I dont see the correlation, where are you seeing it stated that the new build will release with the bundle? It doesn't at all. People are reading between lines that don't exist. They don't understand how CCP can invite more people to the Beta without a new build coming out. Conclusions. Leaps. Etc. Yeah, thats what I thought. Just reading some of these posts makes it seem like ccp said something, I mean so many people are really worked up.
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.09.25 19:31:00 - [49] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Its going to be okay. I dont see why people thought the 25th held any significance. Because CCP is giving out a new "merc pack" type package with the new PS3, that this must mean a new build is coming as well. I dont see the correlation, where are you seeing it stated that the new build will release with the bundle? It doesn't at all. People are reading between lines that don't exist. They don't understand how CCP can invite more people to the Beta without a new build coming out. Conclusions. Leaps. Etc. Yeah, thats what I thought. Just reading some of these posts makes it seem like ccp said something, I mean so many people are really worked up. So, why the **** are you apologizing or supporting CCP in any way for notcommunicating with the beta test population? Did CCP say 25sep would see a new build? No, we supposed that. Why? Because ccp was saying Nothing. That is the problem. And to all of you people suggesting that CCP 'owes' the community nothing... I agree, they owe us nothing And if nothing is what they choose to deliver then they can expect the same in return A beta test period is, first and foremost, supposed to be about collaboration, testing, iteration and COMMUNICATION Can they choose to stay hush hush and give poor or little to no feedback? Hell yes they can. You don't see us asking for $ back. A lot of people in this beta (myself included) are not upset with the pace or progress of development - we are upset with the vacuum of information and lack of collaboration that CCP has opted to go forward with We want to test. We want tobe a part of DUSt's development and roll out. We are stating that it is very hard to do that without word of what is happening, when and how Just looking for a few Dev posts to explain what's up, how the schedule is looking, what we can expect... Not asking for the moon, not demanding changes or schedules based on our expectations. Just want tobe more informed than we currently are. Is that unreasonable?
Jin Robot Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 330	Posted - 2012.09.25 19:44:00 - [50] - Quote Why are you quoting me and then swearing and ranting at me? Howard? Just because I am not a spoiled and entitled person doesnt make me your enemy. I choose not to rant and cry, is that so bad?

crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.09.25 19:48:00 - [51] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: My frakking god! People, what is up with you. Earlier I asked CCP about addressing the speculation, but then I remembered, this speculation is our own doing. CCP never announced the date of the new build. So why are we still acting like CCP promised anything when nothing was promised? they said September That's confrimed. Then a big game show 6 days before the end of the month, no news. Are you blind?
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.09.25 20:35:00 - [52] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Why are you quoting me and then swearing and ranting at me? Howard? Just because I am not a spoiled and entitled person doesnt make me your enemy. I choose not to rant and cry, is that so bad? Sorry Jin, not really ranting at You. There were just a few lines in that thread that inspired my emotional post To be clear, i am less upset today with CCP than I was on friday. And i am not upset with any particular players. I just feel strongly that this isn't the way to manageable community or develop a game with a community test group. I feel like CCP knows better and it is frustrating. My apologies if I came across wrong.
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.09.25 20:45:00 - [53] - Quote So, I guess my frequent posts regarding what I see as ccp's less than stellar efforts at good community manage met have come across as entitled and spoiled whining. Such was never my intent. In the interest of fostering a more peaceful and less frustrated community I will stop posting my opinions about ccp's performance. I love dust, eve and the opportunity to be a part of something new and different in the MMO industry. I have let my fervor and personal perspective detract from the efforts of this game company and my fellow testers.
Jin Robot Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 330	Posted - 2012.09.25 20:48:00 - [54] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Why are you quoting me and then swearing and ranting at me? Howard? Just because I am not a spoiled and entitled person doesnt make me your enemy. I choose not to rant and cry, is that so bad? Sorry Jin, not really ranting at You. There were just a few lines in that thread that inspired my emotional post To be clear, i am less upset today with CCP than I was on friday. And i am not upset with any particular players. I just feel strongly that this isn't the way to manageable community or develop a game with a community test group. I feel like CCP knows better and it is frustrating. My apologies if I came across wrong. No problem man. For a second I thought I must have posted something really offensive then forgot about it. I was just trying to get clarification on what info is out.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1592	Posted - 2012.09.25 20:48:00 - [55] - Quote crazy space wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: My frakking god! People, what is up with you. Earlier I asked CCP about addressing the speculation, but then I remembered, this speculation is our own doing. CCP never announced the date of the new build. So why are we still acting like CCP promised anything when nothing was promised? they said September That's confrimed. Then a big game show 6 days before the end of the month, no news. Are you blind? No, not blind. They never said the exact date and yet people are acting as if the 25th was the date based on some minor announcement about the new PS3 posted by Sony who has absolutely no control over DUST development. Just because DUST was featured in events like the Tokyo Game Show it doesn't mean anything about when the game is released. All that matters is what CCP says. Sony may be helping CCP with advertising, but they are not CCP when it comes to when or how DUST is developed.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1592	Posted - 2012.09.25 20:56:00 - [56] - Quote PS: We still have five days until the end of the month.


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