everyone pull out swarms.... lock on....FIRE!!!

u loose

See this is the smug **** I am talking about. Tankers NEVER came in here and rubbed the AV nerf in your face. All we ever told you to do was to try to work together and ambush tanks, which DID work. Now we got solo swarmin' BS. They dont even require a lockon, just spawn behind the tank, spam missiles at close range, win. Thats an I win button more than any of the tanks ever were. Atleast with the railgunnlogi I have to track you to hit you, which does take skill. A majority of the kills I had with it were ******** snipers or heavies standing still.

See this is the smug **** I am talking about. Tankers NEVER came in here and rubbed the AV nerf in your face. All we ever told you to do was to try to work together and ambush tanks, which DID work. Now we got solo swarmin' BS. They dont even require a lockon, just spawn behind the tank, spam missiles at close range, win. Thats an I win button more than any of the tanks ever were. Atleast with the railgunnlogi I have to track you to hit you, which does take skill. A majority of the kills I had with it were ******** snipers or heavies standing still.

Let's do it. Form Tank Squads. I like playing Logi. Hell, I'll tech up to Remote Shield Reppers if I have to and Logi tanks FROM a tank.

You ever seen a Spider Tank going on in EVE? Just imagine the tears that will happen once dedicated tankers flesh out their skills a bit because of some overkill on the nerfs. It'll be glorious.

Let's do it. Form Tank Squads. I like playing Logi. Hell, I'll tech up to Remote Shield Reppers if I have to and Logi tanks FROM a tank.

You ever seen a Spider Tank going on in EVE? Just imagine the tears that will happen once dedicated tankers flesh out their skills a bit because of some overkill on the nerfs. It'll be glorious.

Actually some did (I'm not gonna name names)

Killing spider tanks 101 - massive alpha. Right now that entails... 2 shots from a swarm launcher?

I'm on the tanks side in this one, I don't think they really needed much of a nerf just fix the resistor bugs, I agree with lowering the splash on rail guns, and buff the AV and I think all would have been well. Before the nerf I have known a few players to be very good at AV and they would more often than not put the tanks on the defensive. The problem was the lack of team work because while we had squads we couldn't fill an entire team, which would have been very helpful and will change next build.
I understand that they wanted the tanks to need infantry support but all they did was switch the same situation AV had over to the tanks, only like you mentioned tanks don't have targeting.

Heavies have to stand still to shoot a forge gun. And snipers too. Ever get out of your tank much?

I'd be ok with the reduced splash as long as I could still use my skill to hit people with the railgun. In ambush matches the tank was the only thing preventing the match from turning into 12 vs 12 snipers.

Not even close! Are you playing any matches today? They gave been epic gun battles with tanks and drool ships.

This story is getting old. and it mirrors what I've seen on the IRC. Anyone even remotely defending tanks is immediately met with a uninformed s h i t storm of anecdotal evidence and general unpleasantries that sooner or later they just leave the anti-tank whiners to them selves. This is what I'm afraid really happened. As CCP thought the whiners were the only voice on the matter.

They were whining then, they are gloating now at their oh so great skills they don't have. Killing tanks were a challenge, as it should be, and the shield tanks wouldn't have been near impossible had it not been for the shield bugs. Fixing those bugs would have been all that was needed, but the whiners got their way, and now tanks are next to useless,

yeah you tanks need to harden up

See this is the smug **** I am talking about. Tankers NEVER came in here and rubbed the AV nerf in your face. All we ever told you to do was to try to work together and ambush tanks, which DID work. Now we got solo swarmin' BS. They dont even require a lockon, just spawn behind the tank, spam missiles at close range, win. Thats an I win button more than any of the tanks ever were. Atleast with the railgunnlogi I have to track you to hit you, which does take skill. A majority of the kills I had with it were ******** snipers or heavies standing still.

This story is getting old. and it mirrors what I've seen on the IRC. Anyone even remotely defending tanks is immediately met with a uninformed s h i t storm of anecdotal evidence and general unpleasantries that sooner or later they just leave the anti-tank whiners to them selves. This is what I'm afraid really happened. As CCP thought the whiners were the only voice on the matter.

They were whining then, they are gloating now at their oh so great skills they don't have. Killing tanks were a challenge, as it should be, and the shield tanks wouldn't have been near impossible had it not been for the shield bugs. Fixing those bugs would have been all that was needed, but the whiners got their way, and now tanks are next to useless,

yeah you tanks need to harden up, you just need to work as a team to take down the AV people.... ROFL oh the irony its delicious.

You should make a bunch more whine threads Paran, its good to see all your tears after the gloating and smugness you put out before the hotfix.

yeah you tanks need to harden up, you just need to work as a team to take down the AV people.... ROFL oh the irony its delicious.

You should make a bunch more whine threads Paran, its good to see all your tears after the gloating and smugness you put out before the hotfix.

LOL I GUESS BECAUE YOU CAN'T GO POSITIVE WITHOUT THE TANK. YOU HAVE NOW BECOME A FORUM JUNKIE HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So killing tanks should be a challenge, but using a tank effectively shouldn't have to be?

Tankers were telling everybody else to use teamwork to take out tanks, yet when the tides are turned and they get a taste of their own medicine, they think it is unfair or unjustified? Sorry, but if I have to use teamwork to do well as a ground troop, then tankers should too.

Well i tried out my tanks after the fix and they are all crap. Die way to quickly. But meh i can go 20-0 with a assault type 2 suit and a assault rifle. Cant wait till n00bs will cry about the type 2 suits to be nerfed or even be removed. Well good players will allways go with the stuff that works out the best. Before it where tanks now we will see a increase of people with type 2 suits (heavys and assault) cause they are the best avaible. advanced or proto suits are crap cause you only get a additional module slot while you still keep shields/armor like a type 1 suit.

Even if a tank is using teamwork you can kill it from across the map with swarms and forge guns, out of range of your infantry support. The ONLY defense a tank has against that is shelling the area it came from, using the splash to remove the threat, but they took that away. Even after the AV nerf and before the tank one it was easy to kill tanks, you just had to lure them into ambushes.

Sadly, CCP listened to the wtfsolopwndropsuit crowd.

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Personally I think that players should not be asked to buy a mic to get the best out of a F2P; in a FPS MMO on PS3 we should have had tools to communicate in ways that are intuitive, quick and appropriate to the limitation of the standard controls we have.

if you are getting killed from across the map by a forge gun then either a) you were really weak already and he got a lucky hit, b) you are doing something wrong (no offense). i am mainly a forge user, only thing im specd for. Hitting a tank across a map with a forge is a total crap shoot. Cant zoom in at all, plus screen shakes ridiculously (should be a skill to decrease this a little), so even if you are 'aiming' at the tank there is no guarentee you are going to hit it. I have hit tanks at a good distance, but usually its about a 1 in 3 hit ratio. Then add in if the tank is moving and it becomes impossible.

Def do agree with you about it being easy to take out tanks before the buff/nerf, just needed teamwork (lol that teamwork word again). Me and a 2 corp mates took out a surya, sagaris, and unlucky sica, all within a few seconds of each other. Bated them in to our 2 standard tanks, with me on the other side of the road with my forge.

The way they should have updated tanks imo is to have just nerfed the tanks, then see what they get from that. The splash damage removed from the railgun i still dont understand, made it slower and took away splash damage.

The sniping forgegun is usually on more open maps like the one with the 5 control points. Its also pretty hard to tell where the forgegunner is much of the time. I agree with the rest though, ambushing tanks was fun because it was challenging. The overnerf on the railgun reminds me of the overnerf on the HMG. :( Less explosions = less fun .

See this is the smug **** I am talking about. Tankers NEVER came in here and rubbed the AV nerf in your face. All we ever told you to do was to try to work together and ambush tanks, which DID work. Now we got solo swarmin' BS. They dont even require a lockon, just spawn behind the tank, spam missiles at close range, win. Thats an I win button more than any of the tanks ever were. Atleast with the railgunnlogi I have to track you to hit you, which does take skill. A majority of the kills I had with it were ******** snipers or heavies standing still.

guess ive never tried to snipe on the open map. still wouldnt leaves heavy as sniper prey.
wont say how ive been usin my forge for tank battles, but i like to try and find a good ambush site where the tank might stop for a little. since it takes a bit to get goin again i can always get in that extra shot.

hmg nerf...to many ppl tryin to run straight at a heavy...NERF THIS THING

Same thing with the tank. I've processed a ton of assualt dropsuits who run at the tank firing an assault riffle, saying "Here I am!!!!!!" Back the tank up, drop a rail at their feet. Then they come here and complain.

I'm not one of you Tanker Gods or anything, but would you mind if I joined this channel while I continue to experiment on the new tank changes?