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Average Joe81 57	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:12:00 - [1] - Quote obviously the problem wasn't the AV people trying to kill multi million ISK tanks with malitia swarm launchers
Lendoody Algintal Core Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:18:00 - [2] - Quote Nope it was the people going 35 - 0 every single game in a tank...Multipul tanks on one teams side... GG game over.. dont collect sp, do not pass go.. Find a new Iwin button bud.. Also ide like too add... This is BETA nothing is permanent... it can and will be changed... thats the whole point of testing... to discover what works and what doesnt... BETA testing really isnt a sneak peak for your enjoyment... its too further a product and make it ready for consumers...
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:27:00 - [3] - Quote Average Joe81 wrote: obviously the problem wasn't the AV people trying to kill multi million ISK tanks with malitia swarm launchers Surprisingly, you are right. That obviously wasn't the problem.
Antonius Dacinci Bragian Order Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:34:00 - [4] - Quote All I can say towards this is the same for every other topic but i'm too lazy to respond to them all. Herpderp you've been using tanks as forward assault platforms? What are you insane. Use LAVs for that. Anyhow most of the tank balancing issue was the fact that you had enough low/high slots to set up a tank and your turret wasn't affected by how much tank you had. So meh lack of elements is all it is.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:37:00 - [5] - Quote They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons.
Average Joe81 57	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:41:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons. seperating the turret from the driver is one of the worst ideas i've ever heard
Lendoody Algintal Core Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:42:00 - [7] - Quote Average Joe81 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons. seperating the turret from the driver is one of the worst ideas i've ever heard Actually it would require more team play... In battles of this scale, Team Play is what you want....
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:44:00 - [8] - Quote Average Joe81 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons. seperating the turret from the driver is one of the worst ideas i've ever heard It's the best idea I've ever heard regarding tanks. It would require tank drivers to actually, you know, communicate and use teamwork, just like dropships and LAVs and AV guys. You're right though, if you only use tanks to pad your stats because they're EZmode, then yes, this wouldn't be such a good change
Tbone322 D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:45:00 - [9] - Quote Average Joe81 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons. seperating the turret from the driver is one of the worst ideas i've ever heard Welcome to the life of the dropship pilot :)
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.14 21:49:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons. YES. I've said exactly this in EVERY thread on this subject and it can't be repeated enough. A tank should not be a one man force-multiplier. No real-world tank is fully operable by one person, and that's because even if they could do so, they would be completely ineffective up against a fully crewed tank, because one person can't handle all the functions of that kind of vehicle. The only thing that makes HAVs seem overpowered is the fact that you can call in so many of them because they only take one person to operate, the secondary turrets really being just icing on the cake. If it took two people off of your team for each HAV, you'd see far less of them called in because there wouldn't be enough infantry to cap points or get anything else done.

Average Joe81 57	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:02:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Average Joe81 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons. seperating the turret from the driver is one of the worst ideas i've ever heard It's the best idea I've ever heard regarding tanks. It would require tank drivers to actually, you know, communicate and use teamwork, just like dropships and LAVs and AV guys. You're right though, if you only use tanks to pad your stats because they're EZmode, then yes, this wouldn't be such a good change i've tried to use team work as a tank but know one listens. I hold an objective so they can cap it, they run the other way. I ask some one if they want to gun in my tank, they call in a LAV. I ask my gunners to get out and hact the objective, they start shooting at the MCC. Usually when I try to use teamwork I get blown up which is why i've given up on team work.
Average Joe81 57	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:04:00 - [12] - Quote Lendoody wrote: Also ide like too add... This is BETA nothing is permanent... it can and will be changed... thats the whole point of testing... to discover what works and what doesnt... BETA testing really isnt a sneak peak for your enjoyment... its too further a product and make it ready for consumers... Id like to add... so that CCP knows what is a problem we have to complain. If we didn't complain we might still have tower campers.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:05:00 - [13] - Quote Average Joe81 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Average Joe81 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons. seperating the turret from the driver is one of the worst ideas i've ever heard It's the best idea I've ever heard regarding tanks. It would require tank drivers to actually, you know, communicate and use teamwork, just like dropships and LAVs and AV guys. You're right though, if you only use tanks to pad your stats because they're EZmode, then yes, this wouldn't be such a good change i've tried to use team work as a tank but know one listens. I hold an objective so they can cap it, they run the other way. I ask some one if they want to gun in my tank, they call in a LAV. I ask my gunners to get out and hact the objective, they start shooting at the MCC. Usually when I try to use teamwork I get blown up which is why i've given up on team work. That's not an excuse for keeping the asset the way it is now. Besides, Corporations are coming out in the next patch, so you can just join one and then play with people you trust to operate your gun, which is how it should be. There's a reason all the Planetside 2 players are campaigning for the same thing in that game.
Cinder Integ Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 23	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:09:00 - [14] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Average Joe81 wrote: obviously the problem wasn't the AV people trying to kill multi million ISK tanks with malitia swarm launchers Surprisingly, you are right. That obviously wasn't the problem. Ur bad.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:11:00 - [15] - Quote Lendoody wrote: Nope it was the people going 35 - 0 every single game in a tank...Multipul tanks on one teams side... GG game over.. dont collect sp, do not pass go.. Find a new Iwin button bud.. Also ide like too add... This is BETA nothing is permanent... it can and will be changed... thats the whole point of testing... to discover what works and what doesnt... BETA testing really isnt a sneak peak for your enjoyment... its too further a product and make it ready for consumers... Didnt you just get in? Train AV. Tanks are ridiculous waste of isk now, paper thin, you can kill them with milita swarms LMAO.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:12:00 - [16] - Quote Average Joe81 wrote: i've tried to use team work as a tank but know one listens. I hold an objective so they can cap it, they run the other way. I ask some one if they want to gun in my tank, they call in a LAV. I ask my gunners to get out and hact the objective, they start shooting at the MCC. Usually when I try to use teamwork I get blown up which is why i've given up on team work. Welcome to the world of dropships friend. Bad communication is no excuse, either organize, or don't call in your armor, simple as that. If there aren't a couple guys on comms to be my gunners, I will NOT call in my dropship, PERIOD.
Lendoody Algintal Core Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:14:00 - [17] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Lendoody wrote: Nope it was the people going 35 - 0 every single game in a tank...Multipul tanks on one teams side... GG game over.. dont collect sp, do not pass go.. Find a new Iwin button bud.. Also ide like too add... This is BETA nothing is permanent... it can and will be changed... thats the whole point of testing... to discover what works and what doesnt... BETA testing really isnt a sneak peak for your enjoyment... its too further a product and make it ready for consumers... Didnt you just get in? Train AV. Tanks are ridiculous waste of isk now, paper thin, you can kill them with milita swarms LMAO. Hey its the other guy who made the same crying thread about tanks getting nerfed...
DestrukterDust Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:24:00 - [18] - Quote Antonius Dacinci wrote: All I can say towards this is the same for every other topic but i'm too lazy to respond to them all. Herpderp you've been using tanks as forward assault platforms? What are you insane. Use LAVs for that. Anyhow most of the tank balancing issue was the fact that you had enough low/high slots to set up a tank and your turret wasn't affected by how much tank you had. So meh lack of elements is all it is. even if a tank sits at the back of the map to provide bombardment swarms can still hit them with 0 risk to the heavy. pop out lock hide behind rock and launch also doesnt help that if you pull behind a rock to hide from them they make a 90 degree turn and still hit. Tanks weren't that hard to kill, there damage maybe should have been nerfed but there tank is pretty easily broken if you have swarms with any skill whatsoever. i could see nerfing perhaps the gunnlogi and madrugar, theyre only 200k tanks and take less sp to train for. however i think the saragis and surya should have been left alone at 1.2 mill base tank mine runs 1.9 with fittings, 10 swarm suits dont cost that much and there is no escape from them........really balanced indeed. Personally i think this is prob the end of tanks, yay carebears cuz i wont put mine on field, doesnt matter how much support you have it wont live period.
Icephr34k 0	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:27:00 - [19] - Quote Haven't had a chance to play today so I can't say anything from personal experience since the hotfix. Personally I only started driving tanks over the last week because every match I got into had 5-6 total tanks or more on the field for both sides. The only time running around infantry worked out is if the other team was actually using team work to try and take the tanks down. Then it became easy mode for kills since they were busy using swarm launchers and forge guns to even notice I was there. So basically I skilled into tanks to help level the playing field against other tanks and stop with the 5-x games I was having. It was either too boring because I couldn't find any enemies to shoot or instant deaths because of the tanks on the other side. Now regarding, DUST Fiend wrote: They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons. I couldn't agree more. Not only would it require team work to operate a tank, but it would require someone willing to risk up to a few million isk to put their tank on the ground while only having control over driving, outside of trusting someone else to drive anyway. Which I'm sure not many players are going to be willing to do unless they have a completely trusted squad. Other than that happening, I believe the only other way to make it fair is for tanks to be first person only. Not being able to see someone sneaking up behind you or from the side would cripple a drive around and shoot style of play. Not to mention how the smallest little thing can be ran into without being able to see it getting you stuck. That would make to where the driver will most likely just want to sit back in one place and not move, again making it easier for an AV squad to take care of it. I'm not saying there isn't anyone that can/does do that in first person, but it would definitely stop a lot people.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:55:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons. u guys are ****** no game has seperated the tank from main turret thats the single dumbest suggestion ive heard ppl post when fighters get put in u geniuses gonna QQ and say the fighter needs to be a 2 seater and have the guns seperated from the pilot...soo ******. tanks arent solo beasts btw, ppl are just lazy to work together even with the nerf now ppl QQing about tanks got hit bad idk i played BF with glass tanks and a good player will still dominate in a tank if the other team lacks the tools and teamwork to deal with them EDIT: or when MTACs get added lets hav 1 guy operate the steering and 1 guy operate the guns right? sounds intelligent right?

Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.09.14 22:57:00 - [21] - Quote DestrukterDust wrote: Antonius Dacinci wrote: All I can say towards this is the same for every other topic but i'm too lazy to respond to them all. Herpderp you've been using tanks as forward assault platforms? What are you insane. Use LAVs for that. Anyhow most of the tank balancing issue was the fact that you had enough low/high slots to set up a tank and your turret wasn't affected by how much tank you had. So meh lack of elements is all it is. even if a tank sits at the back of the map to provide bombardment swarms can still hit them with 0 risk to the heavy. pop out lock hide behind rock and launch also doesnt help that if you pull behind a rock to hide from them they make a 90 degree turn and still hit. Tanks weren't that hard to kill, there damage maybe should have been nerfed but there tank is pretty easily broken if you have swarms with any skill whatsoever. i could see nerfing perhaps the gunnlogi and madrugar, theyre only 200k tanks and take less sp to train for. however i think the saragis and surya should have been left alone at 1.2 mill base tank mine runs 1.9 with fittings, 10 swarm suits dont cost that much and there is no escape from them........really balanced indeed. Personally i think this is prob the end of tanks, yay carebears cuz i wont put mine on field, doesnt matter how much support you have it wont live period. I think if the choice is between tanks being a god-mode I win button, and tanks being useless... the latter will be better for the health of the game. They can tweak tanks slowly upward with less impact and better balance than slowly tweaking them down and letting them continue to dominate the field at the expense of the majority of player's enjoyment.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.09.14 23:00:00 - [22] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: They need to split the main turret from the driver and require a separate operator, that way tanks will NEED teamwork just like everyone else. Oh, and that acceleration nerf. Then they can think about upping the strength of tanks again, but not until then. So long as tanks remain solo beasts, the should be glass cannons. u guys are ****** no game has seperated the tank from main turret thats the single dumbest suggestion ive heard ppl post when fighters get put in u geniuses gonna QQ and say the fighter needs to be a 2 seater and have the guns seperated from the pilot...soo ******. tanks arent solo beasts btw, ppl are just lazy to work together even with the nerf now ppl QQing about tanks got hit bad idk i played BF with glass tanks and a good player will still dominate in a tank if the other team lacks the tools and teamwork to deal with them EDIT: or when MTACs get added lets hav 1 guy operate the steering and 1 guy operate the guns right? sounds intelligent right? Project Reality - for one, and it worked out amazingly well considering that the driver focused on driving and the gunner focused on gunning. Tanks were insanely difficult to destroy in the mod but the maps were large enough to balance things out so that you weren't constantly pressed with the problem of them being on the field.
Timothy Reaper ZionTCD Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2012.09.14 23:33:00 - [23] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: u guys are ****** no game has seperated the tank from main turret thats the single dumbest suggestion ive heard ppl post when fighters get put in u geniuses gonna QQ and say the fighter needs to be a 2 seater and have the guns seperated from the pilot...soo ****. tanks arent solo beasts btw, ppl are just lazy to work together even with the nerf now ppl QQing about tanks got hit bad idk i played BF with glass tanks and a good player will still dominate in a tank if the other team lacks the tools and teamwork to deal with them EDIT: or when MTACs get added lets hav 1 guy operate the steering and 1 guy operate the guns right? sounds intelligent right? I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Why does Dust have to be like other games? If game developers were always afraid to try something different then we would be stuck with Magnavox Odysseys. Plus dropships have to rely gunners, as well as LAVs. And it makes sense, given their basic design and the real life equivalents (jeeps and transport helicoptors). And yes, I know it's just a game, there's no real life laser rifles, etc. Who cares?!** You ask, 'why?', I and others ask, 'why not?'
mikegunnz Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2012.09.14 23:42:00 - [24] - Quote I think most of the nerfs to the tank are justified. A couple, will prob have to be reversed. They can be up for discussion, but separating the driver from a turret is pretty dumb. No discussion needed, it's pretty evident.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.09.14 23:49:00 - [25] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Didnt you just get in? Train AV. Tanks are ridiculous waste of isk now, paper thin, you can kill them with milita swarms LMAO. Watching you whine now makes up for all of the smug threads you posted before throw in all the lols and lmaos you want we know you've got tears rolling down those chubby cheeks, chow down on the karma mate.
Amazigh Stormrage Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2012.09.14 23:51:00 - [26] - Quote mikegunnz wrote: I think most of the nerfs to the tank are justified. A couple, will prob have to be reversed. They can be up for discussion, but separating the driver from a turret is pretty dumb. No discussion needed, it's pretty evident. justified? 3mil + tank being killed in 3 shots by 20K weapon you call justified? 12 mil skillpoints infested into tanks to be 3 shotted by a guy with 1 milion SP invested into AV you call justified??
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.09.14 23:56:00 - [27] - Quote Amazigh Stormrage wrote: justified? 3mil + tank being killed in 3 shots by 20K weapon you call justified? 12 mil skillpoints infested into tanks to be 3 shotted by a guy with 1 milion SP invested into AV you call justified?? 12mil skillpoints invested in dropsuits and get 1 shotted by someone in a 600k tank who killed 30 players just like you before that, justified? Tank ***** tears are yummy keep it up.
Amazigh Stormrage Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2012.09.14 23:58:00 - [28] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Amazigh Stormrage wrote: justified? 3mil + tank being killed in 3 shots by 20K weapon you call justified? 12 mil skillpoints infested into tanks to be 3 shotted by a guy with 1 milion SP invested into AV you call justified?? 12mil skillpoints invested in dropsuits and get 1 shotted by someone in a 600k tank who killed 30 players just like you before that, justified? Tank ***** tears are yummy keep it up. try face a real tank IRL with an AV weapon, and get oneshotted, see who cries then kiddo
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.15 00:02:00 - [29] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: u guys are ****** no game has seperated the tank from main turret thats the single dumbest suggestion ive heard ppl post when fighters get put in u geniuses gonna QQ and say the fighter needs to be a 2 seater and have the guns seperated from the pilot...soo ****. tanks arent solo beasts btw, ppl are just lazy to work together even with the nerf now ppl QQing about tanks got hit bad idk i played BF with glass tanks and a good player will still dominate in a tank if the other team lacks the tools and teamwork to deal with them EDIT: or when MTACs get added lets hav 1 guy operate the steering and 1 guy operate the guns right? sounds intelligent right? I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Why does Dust have to be like other games? If game developers were always afraid to try something different then we would be stuck with Magnavox Odysseys. Plus dropships have to rely gunners, as well as LAVs. And it makes sense, given their basic design and the real life equivalents (jeeps and transport helicoptors). And yes, I know it's just a game, there's no real life laser rifles, etc. Who cares?! You ask, 'why?', I and others ask, 'why not?' why the are u guys comparing LAVs and Dropships which are transport vehicles to a FUCKIN tank? answer my question....when fighters get put in and MTACs u morons gonna moan and say u need 1 guy to operate the legs of the MTAC and 1 to gun? fighters gonna require 2 ppl? do jets in BF3 require 2 ppl? the attack chopper in BF3 has both pilot and gunner having guns, the transport chopper in BF3 is the Dropship...aka meant to transport troops and have 2 side guns different vehicle roles i swear some of the suggestions u ppl give are amazing....and by amazing i mean ******
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.09.15 00:07:00 - [30] - Quote I'm definitely looking forward to playing tonight if there is indeed much less tanks owning everybody effortlessly with no consequences. Although I seriously doubt the tank nerfs are as bad as people let on. I'm sure I still won't be able to make a dent in one until I spec to the most advanced AV gun in the game, which would probably take me another 2 billion SP in skill upgrades. I'm still trying to make enough SP to pay for a L3 skill that allows me to use a shield extender that simply gives me 66 extra HP.

Burger Helper 84	Posted - 2012.09.15 00:16:00 - [31] - Quote i am DRINKING your tears right now they are so delicious i might just age them on oak barrels but seriously go **** yourself, or get infantry support
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.15 00:16:00 - [32] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: I'm definitely looking forward to playing tonight if there is indeed much less tanks owning everybody effortlessly with no consequences. Although I seriously doubt the tank nerfs are as bad as people let on. I'm sure I still won't be able to make a dent in one until I spec to the most advanced AV gun in the game, which would probably take me another 2 billion SP in skill upgrades. I'm still trying to make enough SP to pay for a L3 skill that allows me to use a shield extender that simply gives me 66 extra HP. honestly im still learning but def gettin much better at tankin and tank bustin other tanks with mine and so far iv not lost a tank in times i called it in tonight so far. ive been hit with swarms and forge guns, but u know what? i had 1 or 2 of my buddies gunnin for me u know providing TEAMWORK to keep me up. dont think the nerfs are as bad as ppl make them out to be , aggressive tankers prob mad tho cuz they cant just run right into a grp of ppl and own everyone but in no game can a tank do that so thats a GOOD nerf imo.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.15 00:37:00 - [33] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: why the ** are u guys comparing LAVs and Dropships which are transport vehicles to a FUCKIN tank? answer my question....when fighters get put in and MTACs u morons gonna moan and say u need 1 guy to operate the legs of the MTAC and 1 to gun? fighters gonna require 2 ppl? do jets in BF3 require 2 ppl? the attack chopper in BF3 has both pilot and gunner having guns, the transport chopper in BF3 is the Dropship...aka meant to transport troops and have 2 side guns different vehicle roles i swear some of the suggestions u ppl give are amazing....and by amazing i mean ****** Because we're suggesting that tanks take skill, coordination, and teamwork to operate, instead of lol30/0bymyselfwhileIscratchmanads
Tbone322 D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2012.09.15 01:20:00 - [34] - Quote Amazigh Stormrage wrote: mikegunnz wrote: I think most of the nerfs to the tank are justified. A couple, will prob have to be reversed. They can be up for discussion, but separating the driver from a turret is pretty dumb. No discussion needed, it's pretty evident. justified? 3mil + tank being killed in 3 shots by 20K weapon you call justified? 12 mil skillpoints infested into tanks to be 3 shotted by a guy with 1 milion SP invested into AV you call justified?? Is it 12 million skillpoints to unlock a Marauder?
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.15 02:04:00 - [35] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: why the ** are u guys comparing LAVs and Dropships which are transport vehicles to a FUCKIN tank? answer my question....when fighters get put in and MTACs u morons gonna moan and say u need 1 guy to operate the legs of the MTAC and 1 to gun? fighters gonna require 2 ppl? do jets in BF3 require 2 ppl? the attack chopper in BF3 has both pilot and gunner having guns, the transport chopper in BF3 is the Dropship...aka meant to transport troops and have 2 side guns different vehicle roles i swear some of the suggestions u ppl give are amazing....and by amazing i mean **** Because we're suggesting that tanks take skill, coordination, and teamwork to operate, instead of lol30/0bymyselfwhileIscratchmanads ur a dumbass in BF3 a good tanker can still wtf pwn idiots, it takes teamwork in organised play to keep a tank up in BF same as it does in any other game who dafuq is gonna skill into tanks and turrets and only to NOT use it and be a taxi? thats what the supporting gunner spots for. a bad tanker will get taken out easy in any game a good TANKer will need some coordination from a squad to get down and he will need help to stay alive just like any other game ur problem was with aggressive tankers and the OPness of the mods which got nerfed, makes no sense having main turrret seperate. still LOVE how ppl avoiding the question of when MTACs and fighters come in if they gonna *** how they cant solo everything and make them require 2 ppl as well PS: its still same sort of QQin that made the heavy dropsuit useless and not feared anymore because ppl cried how they couldnt solo heavies straight up 100% of the time and it actually required some brainwork to get a heavy down 1st build
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.15 02:12:00 - [36] - Quote Average Joe81 wrote: obviously the problem wasn't the AV people trying to kill multi million ISK tanks with malitia swarm launchers Miss your op tank?


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