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Chew B0CCA
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Posted - 2012.09.21 20:34:00 -
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So, may be the distances and time aren't that big of a deal after all. Anybody want to travel 10 times the speed of light without actually traveling 10 times the speed of light? Read on:
http://gizmodo.com/5942634/nasa-starts-development-of-real-life-star-trek-warp-drive
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.22 17:59:00 -
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I believe in the work on non-equlibrium thermodynamics done over the last 40 years that has shown theoretically and empirically that matter self-organizes in non-equilibrium environments that have a positive net energy input(i.e. the sun, thermal vents, radioactive minerals, gravitational heating, etc.)
Given that little bit of knowledge, I'd give looooong odds in favour of lots of life in lots of places in the universe.
When Feynman was asked about what Physics had to say about the possibility of life arising from matter in the current model of physics he said something like(begging forgiveness in advance, I can't find the quote):
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Think about the simple water molecule, H2O. Think about all the different ways it can behave, all the different shapes and forms it can take, the incredible and still-not-understood chemistry of water all by itself.
If one simple molecule can act in all those different ways interacting only with itself, who can say what happens when all of the atoms, molecules and radiations in all the possible environments are interacting with each other?
In short, Physics has nothing to say about the possibility or impossibility of the material evolution of life because it is a far more complex question that Physics is able to address. For now.
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Corvus Dorn1
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.22 18:07:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:[quote=4447] *alien version of facepalm* 
Facesuctionpad 
I know this is supposed to be about the beta, but i love reading topics like these, please (whoever it was) expand on why you think its a simulation 
And yeh how can there not be life out there, even if its only out there because the universe is infinite, theres thousands upon thousands upon (i think) millions of starts just in the Milky way alone, how can there not be a planet with the right set of coincedences to start up life (even life that is nothing like how we know it) around one of them
And back to DUST:
Alien Life forms could be a form zombies (forgive me for relating to COD, but thats what the casuals will like if you can pull it off)
or they could just be a more interesting version of PVE (i.e. not just drones/pirate AI, spice it up, give 'em tentacles and invisibilty  ) |
Cinder Integ
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.22 19:06:00 -
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Take two planes, each with a clock set to the same time, and have them fly in opposite directions... one with the spin of the earth, and one against it. When both planes are finally back together take a look at the times on the clock.
A basic life form could be born today and surpass us in complexity and technology by tomorrow, given that the planet it resided on was moving fast enough. Speed vs time = incredible. |
Nstomper
Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0
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Posted - 2012.09.22 19:16:00 -
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To be honest here I don't think we should be exploring space that much and the reason for that is because what do we know about our ocean? we spend tons of money trying to explore planets way out there but yet we know nothing about our ocean. And here is what I'm sceptical about the landing on the moon I think they found something that they don't want us to know , I mean think about it they sent a rover to mars (the mars rover) to explore that but why haven't they sent one to the moon? ( if they have sent one to the moon then forget that statement) but if not then wtf |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.22 22:55:00 -
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Cinder Integ wrote:Take two planes, each with a clock set to the same time, and have them fly in opposite directions... one with the spin of the earth, and one against it. When both planes are finally back together take a look at the times on the clock.
A basic life form could be born today and surpass us in complexity and technology by tomorrow, given that the planet it resided on was moving fast enough. Speed vs time = incredible.
The relativistic effects on a body moving around a planet has four components, the first a prediction of special relativity and well-tested, the second, third predictions of general relativity have only been recently tested, approx. 100 years after Einstein produced the theory. The fourth prediction has not been tested afaik.
The third dilation effect is called 'Frame Dragging' and it lead to the creation of what i feel is the single most advanced machine produced by the human race. Gravity Probe 'B'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Probe_B#Experimental_setup
Also the subsequent data analysis was state of the art and then some. They didn't get the accuracy they wanted, but that doesn't take away from their achievement.
I'm not gonna do the calculation, but it's prolly safe to say that this machine could put a bullet through a Merc's eyeball - from a moon of E-RPGP I. |
GOLD LEAD3R
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.23 01:01:00 -
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Corvus Dorn1 wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:[quote=4447] *alien version of facepalm* Facesuctionpad I know this is supposed to be about the beta, but i love reading topics like these, please (whoever it was) expand on why you think its a simulation
It wasn't me, but I'll give my two cents. It comes down to what we think will happen in the future, and statistics. WARNING: this is a long post, but kind of trippy...
We have simulations today. Video games, simulation programs to simulate the forming of the universe, etc. These sims are getting more lifelike, and it won't be too terribly long before they're exactly like real life. What you'll be able to do on the computer will be photo realistic. I think most of us can agree on that.
Secondly, if you asked futurists and professionals at the cutting edge of technology, most of them would agree that the ideas in the Matrix will eventually happen. We'll be able to plug ourselves into a "computer" and interact with a virtual world that will be indistinguishable from reality. You'll be able to touch, smell, hear, etc. It will be an exact replica of reality.
Lastly, artificial intelligence. Most people assume (as do I) that eventually we'll get to a place where interacting with an artificial mind will be like interacting with an organic mind. Even if it's programmed or learned, we will eventually get to that place (assuming we don't blow ourselves up beforehand). |
GOLD LEAD3R
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.23 01:02:00 -
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Let's say 50 years from now all of this will be possible (maybe it'll be 100, or maybe it'll be 25, but let's just say it's 50). Let's also estimate that there will be 9 billion people on the planet. A fairly conservative estimate. If we assume technology has progressed that far, then it wouldn't be crazy to think that most people will have access to it, but again, I'll go conservative. I'll assume only 1 in 3 people will have access to a simulation or will be able to create their own. That gives us 3 billion people who will have a simulation to run around in.
But, not all of the sims will accurately reflect reality, or course. Throwing out another lowball number, we'll pretend that only 10% of those sims will reflect reality. Now we're at 300 million.
But wait, these simulations are happening 50 years in the future, not in the early 21st century like where we are. But it's safe to assume that there will be interest in seeing how people lived in the early 21st century- the moment in time where nanotechnology, artificial intelligence, quantum computing, information technology, etc, was exploding and starting to take off. Maybe 0.1%of the sims we have left wil be of the early 21st century. Again, a pretty small number. That gives us 300,000 simulations.
300,000 simulations of life as we know it right now. Indistinguishable. If you lived through the early 21st century and was around at a ripe old age when the simulation of the early 21st century was invented, you could plug in and marvel at how it's exactly as you remember it. Of course, all the "people" in the sim would think it's the early 21st century.
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GOLD LEAD3R
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.23 01:03:00 -
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But let's cut that number down even further. Let's just say that I made a huge math error, and the numbers are only 1% as high as I'm making them out to be. That gives us 3,000. 3,000 sims that replicate what the early 21st century was, with NPC's walking around going about their daily lives thinking it really was the early 21st century.
Taking all of that into account, we now have 3,000 replicas of the early 21st century, and the 1 real 21st century they're all based off of. Anyone experiencing a 21st century reality wouldn't know if it was the real thing or a sim, unless you're the one who created it/entered into it, which gives us 3,001 21st century "realities" that would all be the same.
And that means that if you are experiencing a 21st century reality, because you will never be able to tell with 100% certainty if it's real or a sim, your chances are 1 in 3,001 that what you are experiencing is the actual early 21st century.
So you've gotta ask yourself one question: do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? |
Cfurr Kold
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Posted - 2012.09.23 06:34:00 -
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Phantomnom wrote:As much as I'd love for life to be present elsewhere, it also raises the chances of another alien civilisation harboring their equivalent of Kanye West, and I just don't think a loving god would do that twice.
Course other forms of life would pretty much show that that loving god doesnt exist. Which im prone to agree with. Im more willing to believe theres other life out there than that theres a being with magical powers creating us. Hmm magic or science. |
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LISA MICHELLE WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.23 06:42:00 -
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I hear theres lifeforms living on URANUS... true story |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.23 08:03:00 -
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(Facepalm)^another warrior troll fail |
GarryKE
Omnispace Trading Company
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Posted - 2012.09.23 11:48:00 -
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I made a well good reply but when I hit submit it was all "you must have a saved draft first" or something stupid. So you know what, I'll just outline it here.
Discovery of two planets: one aquatic and one with a much longer orbit around its sun; both could support life.
NASA's plans on terraforming Mars.
Bacteria and other life-creating necessities found within asteroids, preserved by the thick layers of ice.
Thick layer of pure water found in one of the moons on one of the planets; potential for aquatic life here but deep under rock and ice layers, we'll likely never find out if it's true or not - but still possible.
Link - Milky Way has two-billion Earth-like planets (2011)
Life out there? There must be.
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