You guys must not have been killed by thukker nades yet then

Those are *** grenades? Man I hate em :|

Top gear loadout in AUR costs .24 cents. That 60 dollars will last for 250 deaths. I dont think this debate is over just because you want it to be. Actually if there are ppl similar to me, then the way this AUR/isk thing shakes out is going to decide whether I play this game or not.

Last build i tested it out

Full ISK proto compared to full AUR proto

The difference was an extra repper instead of a CPU upgrade

Top gear loadout in AUR costs .24 cents. That 60 dollars will last for 250 deaths. I dont think this debate is over just because you want it to be. Actually if there are ppl similar to me, then the way this AUR/isk thing shakes out is going to decide whether I play this game or not.

That's only like if EVERY item in your fit is Aurum. Otherwise, even if you use a few items, it should still last you for a couple thousand deaths. And like I said earlier, it only makes a MARGINAL difference. If someone wants to continuously buy Aurum gear, then let them. Supposedly it'll also, be available on the marketplace for isk, by other players.

Also, re: Thukker grenades...I haven't been killed by them, but even so. Someone isn't going to change the tide of a match with a couple grenades. BUT, even if you think those grenades are THAT special...
[see my point above, about aurum items being purchased for isk on the marketplace]

...and that's IF CCP decides they don't need to be "tweaked" by release time.

Of course the debate won't be over. People love to argue, even with flawed logic. However, those trying to make the "pay-to-win" argument, don't really have a leg to stand on.
(at least in this case, because the marketplace will help solve any potential problems)

This game is NOT pay to win. (at least not now, and won't be unless things drastically change)

Pay to Win = Average players being able to purchase gear with real $$$, and then dominate the players w/o purchased gear. There are some games out there with this problem. Dust is NOT one. Many games find a way to REASONABLY balance paid gear with free gear. In this case the paid gear gives a SLIGHT advantage, but not so much so that it makes the player a demi-god.

'Cavity' Thukker Nades
nuff said.

You guys must not have been killed by thukker nades yet then

This is a specific item in need of rebalancing, not an example of why AUR is bad

Top gear loadout in AUR costs .24 cents. That 60 dollars will last for 250 deaths. I dont think this debate is over just because you want it to be. Actually if there are ppl similar to me, then the way this AUR/isk thing shakes out is going to decide whether I play this game or not.

How old are you ?What is this recent trend in people online thinking that these games are supposed to be free and there the same one that hardley even play the game and also ***** about lag.....HELLO NO ONE IS PAYING FOR THE SERVER TO BE MAINTAINED!!!!!!!

You got 2 lives for Street Fighter when it first came out in the arcades.....what in the hell is the matter with you people when in the whole history of games have they ever been free to play. Go up to one of the carnies you know the ones that look like they've been awake for 3 days on meth and tell him you wanna pitch at the bottles for the biggest bear for your girl(if you Have one) and you want as many chances as it gonna take for free............see what he says.Some people are complete and utter dumb A$$es I swear to god.....Im sorry man but if your not contributing monetarily to the upkeep of the server,the hourly wage of those technicians,maintenance/replacement for the hardware,advertising,development of the game and dlc............then you leaving is no great loss to the community...dont let the door smash ya in the a$$.GTFO so I dont have to hear all the pissing and moaning....Thats my message for all theUnemployed,waffle eatin,mother basement dwelling neck beards.

5 Star Post right there.

AU items seem to disregard lag. Packets sent when a player is using an AU item must be given a higher priority, and the server doesn't drop the packet if it arrives late or out of order

Omg,really?! Post some more inane conspiratorial crap please

How old are you ?What is this recent trend in people online thinking that these games are supposed to be free and there the same one that hardley even play the game and also ***** about lag.....HELLO NO ONE IS PAYING FOR THE SERVER TO BE MAINTAINED!!!!!!!

You got 2 lives for Street Fighter when it first came out in the arcades.....what in the hell is the matter with you people when in the whole history of games have they ever been free to play. Go up to one of the carnies you know the ones that look like they've been awake for 3 days on meth and tell him you wanna pitch at the bottles for the biggest bear for your girl(if you Have one) and you want as many chances as it gonna take for free............see what he says.Some people are complete and utter dumb A$$es I swear to god.....Im sorry man but if your not contributing monetarily to the upkeep of the server,the hourly wage of those technicians,maintenance/replacement for the hardware,advertising,development of the game and dlc............then you leaving is no great loss to the community...dont let the door smash ya in the a$$.GTFO so I dont have to hear all the pissing and moaning....Thats my message for all theUnemployed,waffle eatin,mother basement dwelling neck beards.

Seems the smiley-face sticking its tongue out wasn't clear enough.

Here, apply the following to my original post to fully understand my implication:

"/Sarcasm"

Makes sense now?

Thats one big GD tongue. The ladies must love you.

How old are you ?What is this recent trend in people online thinking that these games are supposed to be free and there the same one that hardley even play the game and also ***** about lag.....HELLO NO ONE IS PAYING FOR THE SERVER TO BE MAINTAINED!!!!!!!

You got 2 lives for Street Fighter when it first came out in the arcades.....what in the hell is the matter with you people when in the whole history of games have they ever been free to play. Go up to one of the carnies you know the ones that look like they've been awake for 3 days on meth and tell him you wanna pitch at the bottles for the biggest bear for your girl(if you Have one) and you want as many chances as it gonna take for free............see what he says.Some people are complete and utter dumb A$$es I swear to god.....Im sorry man but if your not contributing monetarily to the upkeep of the server,the hourly wage of those technicians,maintenance/replacement for the hardware,advertising,development of the game and dlc............then you leaving is no great loss to the community...dont let the door smash ya in the a$$.GTFO so I dont have to hear all the pissing and moaning....Thats my message for all theUnemployed,waffle eatin,mother basement dwelling neck beards.

so you are saying that people that don't buy AuR shouldn't play the game, and/or that they count for less then any other player as far as any consideration dealing with the game, its content and developer acknowledgement?

allow me to point out that Space Invaders gave you 3 lives :P and that if you knew the arcade owner they could just open the machines and give you as many games as you wanted.

When you play games with carnies, the prize you get is worthless then what you payed to play.

Telling people that even though a game is free to play, but that a dichotomy exists whereby people that buy Aur/items have a say and people that don't have no say.... creates a very bad atmosphere, one in which, I would choose not to buy aur out of disrespect for an obvious money grab whereby the producer of the product obviously had no respect for their customers nor their product..... but only for the mighty dollar.


That company is called EA... and hopefully CCP does not go that way...

you sir... should go DIAF :P

This is a specific item in need of rebalancing, not an example of why AUR is bad

Naw dude, its an example of how slippery a slope having non-cosmetic items that you can purchase with real money is. It may not be Pay to win to its fullest, but it isnt a completely level playing field. I am expressing concern over this subject because if CCP is not careful it could end up being pay to win.

The eve point is a good one. They got upset because they dont invest time and money into something that can be influenced by how much money you have. I would gladly support this game with my money. But I dont want to pay for advantage and I dont want anyone else to be able to do it. I would pay 15 a month for this game. I would pay for custom (cosmetic) items.

EXACTLY!

Actually, more of a TL;DR and too bitchy.

Not getting into this argument because you can find how I feel about it in other posts. My only problem Ive had so far is....
If you aren't spending money then technically you aren't a damn customer. You're a .............. well Ill let you fill in the blanks, I can't be nice and fill it in. People seems to get all butt hurt around here when you're honest with them, kinda like they just got gang raped in prison.

The way I see it, I buy aurum items as a donation to this awesome ambitious project, or when I need my active booster, lol.
only a selfish cheap kitten would feel entitled to play dust and give nothing back except for his brain farts and verbal diarrhea on the forums.
DEVs When are the passive boosters hitting the market?

if DUST was a sub i'd consider it, but it is advertised as F2P... are we not supposed to be testing this beta?

well I'm doing my part by not using AUR gear and providing numbers towards that end.

AUR gear is opt in, don't be thinking someone is cheap or selfish for not opting in, and as far as being entitled or not, I was sent an invitation to test the beta by CCP, I joined with the rest of the EVE players :P

The way I see it, I buy aurum items as a donation to this awesome ambitious project, or when I need my active booster, lol.
only a selfish cheap kitten would feel entitled to play dust and give nothing back except for his brain farts and verbal diarrhea on the forums.
DEVs When are the passive boosters hitting the market?