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Ieukoplast
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.12 22:35:00 -
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Xantanis wrote:
Thats one big GD tongue. The ladies must love you.
Gene Simmons style for sure! |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.12 22:35:00 -
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EVICER wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Top gear loadout in AUR costs .24 cents. That 60 dollars will last for 250 deaths. I dont think this debate is over just because you want it to be. Actually if there are ppl similar to me, then the way this AUR/isk thing shakes out is going to decide whether I play this game or not. How old are you ?What is this recent trend in people online thinking that these games are supposed to be free and there the same one that hardley even play the game and also ***** about lag.....HELLO NO ONE IS PAYING FOR THE SERVER TO BE MAINTAINED!!!!!!! You got 2 lives for Street Fighter when it first came out in the arcades.....what in the hell is the matter with you people when in the whole history of games have they ever been free to play. Go up to one of the carnies you know the ones that look like they've been awake for 3 days on meth and tell him you wanna pitch at the bottles for the biggest bear for your girl(if you Have one) and you want as many chances as it gonna take for free............see what he says.Some people are complete and utter dumb A$$es I swear to god.....Im sorry man but if your not contributing monetarily to the upkeep of the server,the hourly wage of those technicians,maintenance/replacement for the hardware,advertising,development of the game and dlc............then you leaving is no great loss to the community...dont let the door smash ya in the a$$.GTFO so I dont have to hear all the pissing and moaning....Thats my message for all theUnemployed,waffle eatin,mother basement dwelling neck beards.
so you are saying that people that don't buy AuR shouldn't play the game, and/or that they count for less then any other player as far as any consideration dealing with the game, its content and developer acknowledgement?
allow me to point out that Space Invaders gave you 3 lives :P and that if you knew the arcade owner they could just open the machines and give you as many games as you wanted.
When you play games with carnies, the prize you get is worthless then what you payed to play.
Telling people that even though a game is free to play, but that a dichotomy exists whereby people that buy Aur/items have a say and people that don't have no say.... creates a very bad atmosphere, one in which, I would choose not to buy aur out of disrespect for an obvious money grab whereby the producer of the product obviously had no respect for their customers nor their product..... but only for the mighty dollar.
That company is called EA... and hopefully CCP does not go that way...
you sir... should go DIAF :P |
Xantanis
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.09.12 22:42:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:EVICER wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Top gear loadout in AUR costs .24 cents. That 60 dollars will last for 250 deaths. I dont think this debate is over just because you want it to be. Actually if there are ppl similar to me, then the way this AUR/isk thing shakes out is going to decide whether I play this game or not. How old are you ?What is this recent trend in people online thinking that these games are supposed to be free and there the same one that hardley even play the game and also ***** about lag.....HELLO NO ONE IS PAYING FOR THE SERVER TO BE MAINTAINED!!!!!!! You got 2 lives for Street Fighter when it first came out in the arcades.....what in the hell is the matter with you people when in the whole history of games have they ever been free to play. Go up to one of the carnies you know the ones that look like they've been awake for 3 days on meth and tell him you wanna pitch at the bottles for the biggest bear for your girl(if you Have one) and you want as many chances as it gonna take for free............see what he says.Some people are complete and utter dumb A$$es I swear to god.....Im sorry man but if your not contributing monetarily to the upkeep of the server,the hourly wage of those technicians,maintenance/replacement for the hardware,advertising,development of the game and dlc............then you leaving is no great loss to the community...dont let the door smash ya in the a$$.GTFO so I dont have to hear all the pissing and moaning....Thats my message for all theUnemployed,waffle eatin,mother basement dwelling neck beards. so you are saying that people that don't buy AuR shouldn't play the game, and/or that they count for less then any other player as far as any consideration dealing with the game, its content and developer acknowledgement?allow me to point out that Space Invaders gave you 3 lives :P and that if you knew the arcade owner they could just open the machines and give you as many games as you wanted. When you play games with carnies, the prize you get is worthless then what you payed to play. Telling people that even though a game is free to play, but that a dichotomy exists whereby people that buy Aur/items have a say and people that don't have no say.... creates a very bad atmosphere, one in which, I would choose not to buy aur out of disrespect for an obvious money grab whereby the producer of the product obviously had no respect for their customers nor their product..... but only for the mighty dollar. That company is called EA... and hopefully CCP does not go that way... you sir... should go DIAF :P
What, you don't wanna pay $15 every couple of months for glitchy maps? |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.12 22:48:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:You guys must not have been killed by thukker nades yet then This is a specific item in need of rebalancing, not an example of why AUR is bad Naw dude, its an example of how slippery a slope having non-cosmetic items that you can purchase with real money is. It may not be Pay to win to its fullest, but it isnt a completely level playing field. I am expressing concern over this subject because if CCP is not careful it could end up being pay to win. |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.12 22:48:00 -
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hell no I wouldn't want to pay $15 /month for glitchy maps
would you? |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.12 23:00:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:You guys must not have been killed by thukker nades yet then This is a specific item in need of rebalancing, not an example of why AUR is bad Naw dude, its an example of how slippery a slope having non-cosmetic items that you can purchase with real money is. It may not be Pay to win to its fullest, but it isnt a completely level playing field. I am expressing concern over this subject because if CCP is not careful it could end up being pay to win.
I think/hope CCP learnt from EVE that players can get uppity.
The trick for CCP is to make AUR items attractive, but not to create an imbalance, yeh its a slippery slope.
Plenty of interest has been made towards cosmetic items/changes for aur, I'm sure such will be available soon enough, most likely shortly after release when DEV time is under less demand from the game itself. Eventually DUST should be getting the EVE avatar creator- and maybe even one day social interaction between avatars, at which point sales of vanity gear should pick up appreciably.
Even given such as a long term plan, no doubt CCP will still think on AUR consumables as the main DUST earners, and as always the player base should monitor, alongside CCP, the AUR/isk item base for any inconsistencies.
As far as the OP goes, "being real" about this situation, requires some notion of concern for what should be a great game, and whether or not it will be ruined by people with more disposable income then common sense.
Play Fair, be honest with yourself, have fun. It is only a game. |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.12 23:20:00 -
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The eve point is a good one. They got upset because they dont invest time and money into something that can be influenced by how much money you have. I would gladly support this game with my money. But I dont want to pay for advantage and I dont want anyone else to be able to do it. I would pay 15 a month for this game. I would pay for custom (cosmetic) items. |
EVICER
63
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Posted - 2012.09.13 00:03:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:The eve point is a good one. They got upset because they dont invest time and money into something that can be influenced by how much money you have. I would gladly support this game with my money. But I dont want to pay for advantage and I dont want anyone else to be able to do it. I would pay 15 a month for this game. I would pay for custom (cosmetic) items. If they give us all that they promised in interviews and at the fanfest's with the ownership of districts the ability to buy warbarges and make it possible for us as dust players to control planet side sovereignty receive revenue from that.They get the planet seeder working and we can stand eye to eye with EVE players and carve our names into the fabric of New Eden in our eternal quest for dominion....glorious.Yes I would buy AUR items to help make that possible.You betcha.
People pay 1 1/2 thousand dollars for Titans in EVE if not more.Those players control vast swaths of nilsec space and control there sovereignty.ISK cost for a Titan can be upwards of 90 billion ISK . Now maybe not for everybody,but other people want to see just how far the rabbit hole truly goes.
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.09.13 00:28:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Jin Robot wrote:You guys must not have been killed by thukker nades yet then This is a specific item in need of rebalancing, not an example of why AUR is bad EXACTLY!
actually it is an example of why AUR is bad dont get me wrong i dont think the game is P2W but when u have these special nades which btw all ppl have to do is chuck em at u to win a gunfight u cant get with ISK and while ppl say "well when the player market opens...." yea i know but still not only is the item OP and tbh do we even know if we will be able to put AUR items up for sale? will the player market be even up at launch?
currently thukker nades are OP and p2w......keyword currently |
Alhanna Ridgeway
123
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Posted - 2012.09.13 01:03:00 -
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Not getting into this argument because you can find how I feel about it in other posts. My only problem Ive had so far is.... If you aren't spending money then technically you aren't a damn customer. You're a .............. well Ill let you fill in the blanks, I can't be nice and fill it in. People seems to get all butt hurt around here when you're honest with them, kinda like they just got gang raped in prison. |
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Kane Fyea
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2012.09.13 01:27:00 -
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Kengfa wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:EVICER wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Top gear loadout in AUR costs .24 cents. That 60 dollars will last for 250 deaths. I dont think this debate is over just because you want it to be. Actually if there are ppl similar to me, then the way this AUR/isk thing shakes out is going to decide whether I play this game or not. How old are you ?What is this recent trend in people online thinking that these games are supposed to be free and there the same one that hardley even play the game and also ***** about lag.....HELLO NO ONE IS PAYING FOR THE SERVER TO BE MAINTAINED!!!!!!! You got 2 lives for Street Fighter when it first came out in the arcades.....what in the hell is the matter with you people when in the whole history of games have they ever been free to play. Go up to one of the carnies you know the ones that look like they've been awake for 3 days on meth and tell him you wanna pitch at the bottles for the biggest bear for your girl(if you Have one) and you want as many chances as it gonna take for free............see what he says.Some people are complete and utter dumb A$$es I swear to god.....Im sorry man but if your not contributing monetarily to the upkeep of the server,the hourly wage of those technicians,maintenance/replacement for the hardware,advertising,development of the game and dlc............then you leaving is no great loss to the community...dont let the door smash ya in the a$$.GTFO so I dont have to hear all the pissing and moaning....Thats my message for all theUnemployed,waffle eatin,mother basement dwelling neck beards. 5 Star Post right there. Actually, more of a TL;DR and too bitchy. More like your too lazy to read a paragraph of writing which toke me less then 2 minutes to read. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.13 06:13:00 -
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My suit of choice features no AUR items at all just a high skilled type II layout, it takes a few more bullets to beat someone with an AUR suit and sometimes an AUR gun manages to kill me but very rarely, last night in my non pay2win suit I went 46/0.
This same argument takes place in WoT where ppl are constantly calling out "wallet warrior" perhaps in that case their paid tanks are better but I as a non paying player seem to have plenty of fun and for these games to be successful they need to have a valid reason for people to give them money, bottom line if you want to play for free you are just going to have to accept that people will pay for some advantage. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.09.13 06:38:00 -
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who cares if someone pays money? it's not like they can use their items forever. they will die and lose their AUR. so when you shoot them, you are burning their wallet. |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.13 08:35:00 -
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Alhanna Ridgeway wrote:Not getting into this argument because you can find how I feel about it in other posts. My only problem Ive had so far is.... If you aren't spending money then technically you aren't a damn customer. You're a .............. well Ill let you fill in the blanks, I can't be nice and fill it in. People seems to get all butt hurt around here when you're honest with them, kinda like they just got gang raped in prison.
customer |-êk+Öst+Öm+Ör| noun 1 a person or organization that buys goods or services from a store or business : Mr. Harrison was a regular customer at the Golden Lion | [as adj. ] customer service. 2 a person or thing of a specified kind that one has to deal with : the fish is a slippery customer and very hard to catch | Jon won over Lucie's father, but her mother is a tough customer.
actually everyone with an access to DUST 514 technical support is a customer.
and certainly everyone playing the Beta and later the game are all consumers of the game/beta.
Unless CCP specifically announces that AUR buyers are to get preferential treatment, it is fairly safe to assume we all have a say in DUST 514, you don't have to believe it, you can believe what you want... I'm fairly sure by your tone and attitude you aren't a representative of the company.
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miahus
CrimeWave Syndicate
78
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Posted - 2012.09.13 11:02:00 -
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The way I see it, I buy aurum items as a donation to this awesome ambitious project, or when I need my active booster, lol. only a selfish cheap kitten would feel entitled to play dust and give nothing back except for his brain farts and verbal diarrhea on the forums. DEVs When are the passive boosters hitting the market? |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.13 12:43:00 -
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miahus wrote:The way I see it, I buy aurum items as a donation to this awesome ambitious project, or when I need my active booster, lol. only a selfish cheap kitten would feel entitled to play dust and give nothing back except for his brain farts and verbal diarrhea on the forums. DEVs When are the passive boosters hitting the market?
if DUST was a sub i'd consider it, but it is advertised as F2P... are we not supposed to be testing this beta?
well I'm doing my part by not using AUR gear and providing numbers towards that end.
AUR gear is opt in, don't be thinking someone is cheap or selfish for not opting in, and as far as being entitled or not, I was sent an invitation to test the beta by CCP, I joined with the rest of the EVE players :P
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Alhanna Ridgeway
123
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Posted - 2012.09.13 14:23:00 -
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I didn't say everyone's opinion didn't matter, I said you aren't a customer if you didn't pay any money. And yes I can read the supposed definition. |
miahus
CrimeWave Syndicate
78
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Posted - 2012.09.13 15:06:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:miahus wrote:The way I see it, I buy aurum items as a donation to this awesome ambitious project, or when I need my active booster, lol. only a selfish cheap kitten would feel entitled to play dust and give nothing back except for his brain farts and verbal diarrhea on the forums. DEVs When are the passive boosters hitting the market? if DUST was a sub i'd consider it, but it is advertised as F2P... are we not supposed to be testing this beta?
well I'm doing my part by not using AUR gear and providing numbers towards that end. AUR gear is opt in, don't be thinking someone is cheap or selfish for not opting in, and as far as being entitled or not, I was sent an invitation to test the beta by CCP, I joined with the rest of the EVE players :P just to be clear, my commentwasn't directed at anyone billi, i didn't read any of the responses including yours, only the original one. now that i read what you have been saying, my post seems a bit offensive, and i apologize, I didn't realize the flow of posts responding to the original. :) peace buddy |
Corban Lahnder
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2012.09.13 15:25:00 -
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other then thukker cavity nades to be perfectly honest I feel like I hardly ever see aurum gear.
Most of the **** that kills me is skill bought only. GEKs etc... |
EVICER
63
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Posted - 2012.09.13 21:29:00 -
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miahus wrote:The way I see it, I buy aurum items as a donation to this awesome ambitious project, or when I need my active booster, lol. only a selfish cheap kitten would feel entitled to play dust and give nothing back except for his brain farts and verbal diarrhea on the forums. DEVs When are the passive boosters hitting the market? I feel exactly the same way to the T
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Will Navidson2
Doomheim
6
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Posted - 2012.09.13 22:03:00 -
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Did you guys know that Eve can also be free to play? CCP has provided a way for players who put in the time, to play Eve for free. Instead of arguing whether or not this game is f2p why don't we all agree that CCP has taken a big leap in making the game free to choose, since there is no MAJOR advantage either way. There is no argument. |
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