Why does everyone forget there is a heavy handed nerf inbound?

In another thread (edit: about tanks)


One. what is there to forget, I have seen NO dev post on this.

What is this about
Why is it heavy handed
And why don't we just nerf everything down to spears and swords while we are at it.

At this rate a tank will cost as much as an EVE titan, have rice paper for armour and a kittening slingshot for main gun by the time we make the release.

Worried about your one hit kill button ?

Heavys got nerfed huge so did AV

Its time tanks do too

Worried about your one hit kill button ?

Heavys got nerfed huge so did AV

Its time tanks do too

In another thread (edit: about tanks)


One. what is there to forget, I have seen NO dev post on this.

What is this about
Why is it heavy handed
And why don't we just nerf everything down to spears and swords while we are at it.

At this rate a tank will cost as much as an EVE titan, have rice paper for armour and a kittening slingshot for main gun by the time we make the release.

I smile EVERY time I see a tank driver get upset, about ANYTHING.

I smile EVERY time I see a tank driver get upset, about ANYTHING.

[quote=DUST Fiend]I smile EVERY time I see a tank driver get upset, about ANYTHING.

In another thread (edit: about tanks)


One. what is there to forget, I have seen NO dev post on this.

What is this about
Why is it heavy handed
And why don't we just nerf everything down to spears and swords while we are at it.

At this rate a tank will cost as much as an EVE titan, have rice paper for armour and a kittening slingshot for main gun by the time we make the release.

Please see this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&find=unread

For those of you not awares.

1 Bug fix on shield resistance amps.

2 Module pass to be in line with current AV envrionment. (those of you who dont know what I am talking about keep an eye out for a post I am making paper math wise)

3 Velocity tanks will no longer go from 0 to full speed instantly.

We're all going to be killed by scifi gunships one day. Can't wait for everything to be here before we balance things Dewie.

"Great shot kid, that was one in a million!"

Worried about your one hit kill button ?

Heavys got nerfed huge so did AV

Its time tanks do too

No, its time AV and Heavies were buffed back up, since that's where they problem really lies.

Really hope this is sarcastic. Making the tanks have no survivability will only make them broken on two counts instead of one.

There are several reasons why HAVs are broken (random order)
1. Infinite ammo
2. 3 Gun Turrets
3. Driver can operate the main turret and drive (not sure if they can do both at the same time)
4. Railgun has far more range than Forge gun (7000m/s slug should have far more range)
5. Good shield tanks are virtually unaffected by AV nades
6. All AV is 25% weaker (genius idea)
7. No Skill requirements for being a tank gunner
8. Even at 12x its still to easy to skill into tanks (I believe its only level 3 for Sagris/Surya)
7. Tanks are far too rewarding for SP gains (assists for just being in the HAV and doing zero damage to target)
9. A good Sagris build is over 2mil and Duvolle AR is 77k (yeah the value 26 ARs is about the same a one tank)

I could list more but... meh.

I honestly don't see how "noobs" are running into so many tanks. I've been playing more or less solid for about two weeks now, and it's maybe one in three I see a militia tank, and double that for a well fit tank. Yes, I'll agree that tanks' roles need adjusted - they should either be a tank, or do tons of damage, or a moderate balance between the two.

Moreso than that, I really don't see how any of these nerfs are really fair or correct in any aspect of the "correction", seeing as how we don't have proper ranking matches (albeit those are coming soon) and we don't have high v low v null sec matches. Most of these "noobs" are complaining that they're getting owned by a sagaris when they're coming in with militia swarm launchers. The reality is when the game comes to the point where skill of the player determines what randoms you get into and who plays with you, the tank is suddenly going to become horrifically underpowered after everyone's had their fair share nerfing it into oblivion.

Most of these corrections shouldn't be getting made until matchmaking is done proper, and we have more organized gameplay.

In another thread (edit: about tanks)


One. what is there to forget, I have seen NO dev post on this.

What is this about
Why is it heavy handed
And why don't we just nerf everything down to spears and swords while we are at it.

At this rate a tank will cost as much as an EVE titan, have rice paper for armour and a kittening slingshot for main gun by the time we make the release.

As a tank driver, this makes me sad. I enjoy using tanks to help claim objectives. I use them as a barricade while my team hacks, and I've seen entire matches turn around because of good tank use. I feel this is the intended use of a tank, and I love it.

Unfortunately, there are people who camp at the top of maps and do nothing but snipe, and this gives people a horrible impression of tanks. I see so much hate on these forums, and it's upsetting knowing that fulfilling a developer-granted role will earn me a negative stigma. Tanks are in this game for a reason. They're supposed to be used. But the second people see them they think you're just there for easy kills and trolling.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be looking for ways to balance things out, but saying things like "I love to see them get upset!" is just trolling.

tldr; You look ignorant when you troll.

Tanks need narrower rolls, not less power/survivability in those roles.

Same here. On the rare occasions I use tanks, I use them to support infantry in taking objectives and so on. The problem is most drivers just roam the map randomly looking for free kills. Tanks should excel at their role, but right now they excel at everything.

There are several reasons why HAVs are broken (random order)
1. Infinite ammo
2. 3 Gun Turrets
3. Driver can operate the main turret and drive (not sure if they can do both at the same time)
4. Railgun has far more range than Forge gun (7000m/s slug should have far more range)
5. Good shield tanks are virtually unaffected by AV nades
6. All AV is 25% weaker (genius idea)
7. No Skill requirements for being a tank gunner
8. Even at 12x its still to easy to skill into tanks (I believe its only level 3 for Sagris/Surya)
9. Tanks are far too rewarding for SP gains (assists for just being in the HAV and doing zero damage to target)
10. A good Sagris build is over 2mil and Duvolle AR is 77k (yeah the value 26 ARs is about the same as one tank)

I could list more but... meh.

Lol sorry ted and lurch.

Dewie I'm only responding to your number 10

Do you honestly believe that a good tank is worth the same as 26 good ARs? I'm not talking about who is using them or their effectiveness just their stand alone value. Currently the US pays about $673.10 for an M4 and about $8.5mil for an M1 Abrams.

M4 link

M1 Abrams link

I see you're posting skills have not got any better, did you take my advice and invest some SP in your POASTING Skills?

Apparently you didn't take your own advice. And you certainly lack people skills.
And if I have a typo or two in a post, doesn't invalidate the rest.

Dewie I'm only responding to your number 10

Do you honestly believe that a good tank is worth the same as 26 good ARs? I'm not talking about who is using them or their effectiveness just their stand alone value. Currently the US pays about $673.10 for an M4 and about $8.5mil for an M1 Abrams.

M4 link

M1 Abrams link

To be fair, I really don't know what will happen once these items become a part of the EVE Universe. A decent Tier One frigate fitting - completely fitted - costs less than a good take hull now. I can't imagine spaceships will end up being less expensive than tanks.

Along the same lines, however, those frigates are a bit papery (~5K EHP vs. ~12-15K EHP) compared to tanks. So, either:
1) DUST weaponry is tremendously powerful, even compared to the weaponry in EVE. For example, a single piece of battleship class artillery firing a 1400mm shell will do approximately 400 damage with some skills and a couple buffs. And it will do that while consuming ammo and while firing - by default - roughly once every 40 seconds. Compare that to a swarm launcher or forge gun. If only I could mount those tiny little weapons on my frigates.

2) DUST will see an EHP and damage drop - across the board - to fit better with EVE.

To be fair, I really don't know what will happen once these items become a part of the EVE Universe. A decent Tier One frigate fitting - completely fitted - costs less than a good take hull now. I can't imagine spaceships will end up being less expensive than tanks.

Along the same lines, however, those frigates are a bit papery (~5K EHP vs. ~12-15K EHP) compared to tanks. So, either:
1) DUST weaponry is tremendously powerful, even compared to the weaponry in EVE. For example, a single piece of battleship class artillery firing a 1400mm shell will do approximately 400 damage with some skills and a couple buffs. And it will do that while consuming ammo and while firing - by default - roughly once every 40 seconds. Compare that to a swarm launcher or forge gun. If only I could mount those tiny little weapons on my frigates.

2) DUST will see an EHP and damage drop - across the board - to fit better with EVE.

Yeah major changes need to happen because most of the current pricing and weapon stats are a bit absurd when compared to EVE.

I'm not talking about typos etc i'm talking about your posts being terrible full stop.

I'm not here for people skills, i'm here to beta test and part of that beta testing is to pay attention to what CCP are doing with the game and to test it, that includes being aware of the incoming HAV nerfs, Why they are doing it, how they are doing it and how it stacks up to the rest of the game.

All points you clearly seem to miss...