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crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.07 04:32:00 -
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I was thinking the adverage fight in dust gives a player about 40,000 sp. The daily passive income is only 20,000, but I can undestand how they dont' want afk players to super level while away for 3-4 months.
So here is my suggestion. sp passive gain decays over time. In 2 weeks of not playing it should drop to 10k a day instead of 40k. A single match brings this total back up. So a game a day is promoted, or a day a week. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:36:00 -
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I think its fine as is, people that complain about not having skill to compete can wait til they have some rather then quit. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.07 10:25:00 -
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Agree with the OP, it would encourage people to play at least few times in certain time frame like week/day/month. The more the people play the more likely they are to spend money on AUR as well.
Something on the lines of maximum amount of passive SP you can get while offline. There could even be chance for extra revenue here for CPP by offering boosters for increasing this cap. It doesn't make the game P2W as people can just play more to keep their passive SP going.
But I don't think the cap should be too harsh on less active players. Something on the lines of Few days or a week or 2. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.07 12:21:00 -
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It will never happen. |
Sari Galana
Ashab Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:48:00 -
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How about the following (unlikely since it's so different):
Passive skill point gain only. Your rate starts at some value (say 20,000 per day like now) and decays over time down to zero.
Playing the game doesn't award skill points but does increase your passive skill point gain rate (up to some limit chosen so people at the top earn about the same they do now). |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:55:00 -
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Atypical gamer > Rage quits or plays halo 5 in the future for a few months,
Halo 5 gets boring, logs back into dust 514.
"Whoa! Where all this SP come from? oh cool new features and skill books!" |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:06:00 -
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Yeah. The incentive to play is the active SP. The passive SP is to keep those of us who can't play all the time somewhat competitive.
I enjoy when I come back after a couple days and passive SP has pushed me passed my goal for whatever I'm saving for.
It's one of the few things about the game that seems to be working perfectly (IMO). |
Raynor Ragna
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Posted - 2012.09.07 17:41:00 -
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The point of passive SP it to make it so you don't need to play the game all the time in order to keep up. I think active SP needs to be dropped to be in line with passive SP. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:21:00 -
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Raynor Ragna wrote:The point of passive SP it to make it so you don't need to play the game all the time in order to keep up. I think active SP needs to be dropped to be in line with passive SP. I totally agree. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:27:00 -
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I'd say that passive SP needs a buff, actually. Bump it from the current 23k to 35k or 40k. Maybe make it modular, so that if you gain X amount of active SP you can only reach the normal 23k or so for that day. But I can see that being harder to tweak.
Eitherway, it's a tad to low, but not by much. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:33:00 -
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There is an implant comming in to boost it. |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:38:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:I'd say that passive SP needs a buff, actually. Bump it from the current 23k to 35k or 40k. Maybe make it modular, so that if you gain X amount of active SP you can only reach the normal 23k or so for that day. But I can see that being harder to tweak.
Eitherway, it's a tad to low, but not by much.
Yeahh I don't like the current passive SP gains, seems too slow, so i think it should be boosted a little. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.08 01:40:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Nova Knife wrote:I'd say that passive SP needs a buff, actually. Bump it from the current 23k to 35k or 40k. Maybe make it modular, so that if you gain X amount of active SP you can only reach the normal 23k or so for that day. But I can see that being harder to tweak.
Eitherway, it's a tad to low, but not by much. Yeahh I don't like the current passive SP gains, seems too slow, so i think it should be boosted a little. I agree, as has already been said, the point of the passive gain is to make it so that people that can play for 50 hours a week don't just stomp all over anyone who can't match their play time, which is also the reason for the active SP decline. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.08 03:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Atypical gamer > Rage quits or plays halo 5 in the future for a few months,
Halo 5 gets boring, logs back into dust 514.
"Whoa! Where all this SP come from? oh cool new features and skill books!"
right but I'm trying to address 2 issues here.
1.CCP don't want passive sp income to be too high.
2.Passive income is too low
you could make the minimium sp 20,000, which is where it is now, but if you play, that is increased to 40,000 for a few days as log as you play a whole match. the degrade could go as follows.
40,000 35,000 day 1 30,000 day 2 25,000 day 3 20,000 day 4
another idea is more straight forward
40,000 40,000 day 1 40,000 day 2 40,000 day 3 20,000 day 4 |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.08 03:44:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Nova Knife wrote:I'd say that passive SP needs a buff, actually. Bump it from the current 23k to 35k or 40k. Maybe make it modular, so that if you gain X amount of active SP you can only reach the normal 23k or so for that day. But I can see that being harder to tweak.
Eitherway, it's a tad to low, but not by much. Yeahh I don't like the current passive SP gains, seems too slow, so i think it should be boosted a little. I agree, as has already been said, the point of the passive gain is to make it so that people that can play for 50 hours a week don't just stomp all over anyone who can't match their play time, which is also the reason for the active SP decline.
That's a whole different issue. Personally I think the decay should last a week. At the end of the week your active sp gains are rest. Meaning you get one day of maxium sp in games. So as long as you only play one day a week you're always getting tons of sp. People who want to play all week start to get 2,000-3,000 a game by the end of the week. But people who only play for one day a week get 40,000-60,000 a match |
EVICER
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Posted - 2012.09.08 04:28:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Yeah. The incentive to play is the active SP. The passive SP is to keep those of us who can't play all the time somewhat competitive.
I enjoy when I come back after a couple days and passive SP has pushed me passed my goal for whatever I'm saving for.
It's one of the few things about the game that seems to be working perfectly (IMO). Agreed ...the object is for people to PLAY the game.
and so if the person doesnt have that much time to play and for example everyone is wearing proto.....that is where AUR bought equipment comes in.Which I personally dont see a problem with at all.Its how it can be fun and balanced with out nerfs.The guy who can play all day can build ISK the other guy cant.kids work wife....let him rock AUR stuff from head to toe..it really doesnt bother me...now should people complain about that..no they shouldnt.Knerfing weps and equipment is a recipe for disaster......it becomes a constant thingThis AR up that AR down.Spreads clip size.You as a player will never get into a groove with your gear.....just makes the game uncertain.Just because a guy doesnt have sniper skills doesnt mean he should complain about some proto sniper rifle.Eventually youll be done with your primary weapon skills and someday the last thing youll have to put your skill points into is say shotguns or sniper rifles.My pint is eventually youl unlock everything and say one sunday afternon you just want to snipe....well guess what they just got rid of that sniper rifle youve been skilling to get or dropship or tank or suit or.........
Till were all playing with the same generic stuff...well there goes the appeal to me of having multiple options. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.08 08:34:00 -
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No decay please with my limited time I'd never be competative, don't mind it being capped at a certain amount but don't let me start to lose any. |
Eskel Bondfree
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.09.08 11:21:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Atypical gamer > Rage quits or plays halo 5 in the future for a few months,
Halo 5 gets boring, logs back into dust 514.
"Whoa! Where all this SP come from? oh cool new features and skill books!" right but I'm trying to address 2 issues here. 1.CCP don't want passive sp income to be too high. 2.Passive income is too low you could make the minimium sp 20,000, which is where it is now, but if you play, that is increased to 40,000 for a few days as log as you play a whole match. the degrade could go as follows. 40,000 35,000 day 1 30,000 day 2 25,000 day 3 20,000 day 4 another idea is more straight forward 40,000 40,000 day 1 40,000 day 2 40,000 day 3 20,000 day 4 What's the point of passive SP gain that requires you to actively play the game in order to get it? If you're playing more, you already get more SP as a match reward. Why make passive SP gain dependant on your play time? It's called passive for a reason.
I also agree that passive SP should be boosted, currently you can easily earn 10 times the SP you get passively per day by playing a few matches a day. Even with the active SP gain being halved at release, I feel it's too much. People should play the game because they like the gameplay, not in order to grind for SP. I hate grinding, and the only reason why I play Eve is that you don't need to grind for SP in this game.
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crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:17:00 -
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Eskel Bondfree wrote:crazy space wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Atypical gamer > Rage quits or plays halo 5 in the future for a few months,
Halo 5 gets boring, logs back into dust 514.
"Whoa! Where all this SP come from? oh cool new features and skill books!" right but I'm trying to address 2 issues here. 1.CCP don't want passive sp income to be too high. 2.Passive income is too low you could make the minimium sp 20,000, which is where it is now, but if you play, that is increased to 40,000 for a few days as log as you play a whole match. the degrade could go as follows. 40,000 35,000 day 1 30,000 day 2 25,000 day 3 20,000 day 4 another idea is more straight forward 40,000 40,000 day 1 40,000 day 2 40,000 day 3 20,000 day 4 What's the point of passive SP gain that requires you to actively play the game in order to get it? If you're playing more, you already get more SP as a match reward. Why make passive SP gain dependant on your play time? It's called passive for a reason. I also agree that passive SP should be boosted, currently you can easily earn 10 times the SP you get passively per day by playing a few matches a day. Even with the active SP gain being halved at release, I feel it's too much. People should play the game because they like the gameplay, not in order to grind for SP. I hate grinding, and the only reason why I play Eve is that you don't need to grind for SP in this game.
The how about something more simple? 40,000sp a day as long as you play ONE game a MONTH. The goal is to keep people coming back, plus it doesn't reward people who don't play for a year. It instead rewards the player who can't play to often but keeps coming back for one more match when they can. |
Grimmiers
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Posted - 2012.09.08 20:53:00 -
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I can still do pretty decent with basic fittings, so I'm not worried really. Good players will always be good new, or old. |
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Vance Alken
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.08 21:10:00 -
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Raynor Ragna wrote:The point of passive SP it to make it so you don't need to play the game all the time in order to keep up. I think active SP needs to be dropped to be in line with passive SP. This, I'm not sure why SP isn't exactly like Eve as it is. |
Eskel Bondfree
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.09.08 21:40:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Eskel Bondfree wrote: What's the point of passive SP gain that requires you to actively play the game in order to get it? If you're playing more, you already get more SP as a match reward. Why make passive SP gain dependant on your play time? It's called passive for a reason.
I also agree that passive SP should be boosted, currently you can easily earn 10 times the SP you get passively per day by playing a few matches a day. Even with the active SP gain being halved at release, I feel it's too much. People should play the game because they like the gameplay, not in order to grind for SP. I hate grinding, and the only reason why I play Eve is that you don't need to grind for SP in this game.
The how about something more simple? 40,000sp a day as long as you play ONE game a MONTH. The goal is to keep people coming back, plus it doesn't reward people who don't play for a year. It instead rewards the player who can't play to often but keeps coming back for one more match when they can. I can see where you're coming from, but I would prefer an even simpler solution: give everybody 40k SP a day, no matter what. You see, that one game a month can quickly become more of a liability rather than an incentive for those players that decided to take a break from the game. We certainly want people to get back to the game as often as possible, but it should be the game play and the game content that compells them, not a hovering threat of lowered SP gain.
I see it this way: if someone takes a break from the game for a few month, and passive SP income is high rather than low, there will be a much higher incentive for the person to get back to the game eventually, instead of abandoning it for good. You know you've build up some substantial sum of SP even while you weren't playing, and that's why you won't be totally out of the loop once you hop back in. That's how it is with EVE Online. Just like EVE, Dust will be evolving constantly and is not meant to be replaced by a successor after a year or two. So when you come back to the game after 6 or even 12 months, it will have changed a lot and will have much more to offer than it had 12 months before. That's when you'll be happy that there is passive SP gain that kept you connected to everyone else who did not stop playing. |
Malan Drin
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.08 21:53:00 -
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I see it this way: if someone takes a break from the game for a few month, and passive SP income is high rather than low, there will be a much higher incentive for the person to get back to the game eventually, instead of abandoning it for good. You know you've build up some substantial sum of SP even while you weren't playing, and that's why you won't be totally out of the loop once you hop back in. That's how it is with EVE Online. Just like EVE, Dust will be evolving constantly and is not meant to be replaced by a successor after a year or two. So when you come back to the game after 6 or even 12 months, it will have changed a lot and will have much more to offer than it had 12 months before. That's when you'll be happy that there is passive SP gain that kept you connected to everyone else who did not stop playing.
I think that would be a helpful way to keep a FTP alive, kind of reminds me of the whole training while not subscribed with EVE back in the day. Though then it was a loss to the company now it looks like an incentive for players to come back.
Either system will be exploited so that makes no difference, what does make a difference is how do they keep the game alive for those that do invest their time and effort into it, and the SP as is seems to be a good start. |
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