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Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:28:00 -
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Your KD will determine if you're able to take an objective by being able to take out the defenders.
Your KD will determine if you're able to Defend the objective from attackers.
Your KD will determine if you're able to be an asset to the team. (being able to pull your own weight.) Sure, you can go logi, logies are good, they may not get a lot of kills. But they do help keep the team together.
If you're a sniper that's neg bombing, then please just quit, and open up the spot to someone how may be a little more capable at killing the team. You're useless... There really is no nice way to say it.
I run an assault Type II suit. I use either a gek, or a proto rifle, but I still use my milita gear if i don't feel like steam rolling the enemy team (which is quite often.). I'm able to mow down 15-20+ people a game, and only die 1-4 times most of the time. In-between those kills, I am capping OBJ's While the rest of you are respawning.
I am always trying to cover every objective as much as possible. Why? because I have no faith in my team when I'm running solo. There are times where I will be overwhelmed, and the rest of my team is busy LOOKING THE OTHER WAY.
So please, fore the love of all things ISK, try to not die ,and actually be an asset..
My team ends up losing so many skirmish games because they CAN'T defend the objective.
Stat padding with a tank is a different story. The longer you spend in the tank, the worse you'll actually become when you go infantry. |
Pezz IsDank
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
171
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:33:00 -
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In this beta KD means little in terms of bragging rights because it's so easy to have a really nice one after you get so much SP, or spec into marauder tanks.. if you're always playing in one of those you should have a 7.0+.
Otherwise I agree that it can be an indicator of ones ability to capture/defend objectives.
That's almost always what ends up to me.. run around owning & capping objectives just to lose them just as fast. |
Obama DAT
Doomheim
389
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:34:00 -
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Wall of text self praise post. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:35:00 -
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Pezz IsDank wrote:In this beta KD means little in terms of bragging rights because it's so easy to have a really nice one after you get so much SP, or spec into marauder tanks.. if you're always playing in one of those you should have a 7.0+.
Otherwise I agree, that's almost always what ends up to me.. run around owning & capping objectives just to lose them just as fast. I'm currently around 4.20, and it's still still going up at a steady pace. I don't use tanks, other then driving around a Sice once in a blue moon.
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Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:36:00 -
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Obama DAT wrote:Wall of text self praise post. I wall of text would imply no paragraphs. My post has paragraphs. |
Obama DAT
Doomheim
389
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:38:00 -
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Ok. Guess I should have went with the internet term TL/DR. |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:40:00 -
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Obama DAT wrote:Ok. Guess I should have went with the internet term TL/DR. All I want is for you people to go positive. That's all. Or at-least stay below -7 deaths. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:53:00 -
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Bravo to the completely false conclusion. Kd doesn't mean squat. At most it says how often you fight noobs. Kd doesn't mean you captured or defended an objective, just that you got blah amount of kills based on skill, luck, or enemy noobs. |
Drake Lyons
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:55:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Your KD will determine if you're able to take an objective by being able to take out the defenders.
Your KD will determine if you're able to Defend the objective from attackers.
Your KD will determine if you're able to be an asset to the team. (being able to pull your own weight.) Sure, you can go logi, logies are good, they may not get a lot of kills. But they do help keep the team together.
If you're a sniper that's neg bombing, then please just quit, and open up the spot to someone how may be a little more capable at killing the team. You're useless... There really is no nice way to say it.
I run an assault Type II suit. I use either a gek, or a proto rifle, but I still use my milita gear if i don't feel like steam rolling the enemy team (which is quite often.). I'm able to mow down 15-20+ people a game, and only die 1-4 times most of the time. In-between those kills, I am capping OBJ's While the rest of you are respawning.
I am always trying to cover every objective as much as possible. Why? because I have no faith in my team when I'm running solo. There are times where I will be overwhelmed, and the rest of my team is busy LOOKING THE OTHER WAY.
So please, fore the love of all things ISK, try to not die ,and actually be an asset..
My team ends up losing so many skirmish games because they CAN'T defend the objective.
Stat padding with a tank is a different story. The longer you spend in the tank, the worse you'll actually become when you go infantry.
I, too, am awesome.
...am I doing it right? |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:59:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Bravo to the completely false conclusion. Kd doesn't mean squat. At most it says how often you fight noobs. Kd doesn't mean you captured or defended an objective, just that you got blah amount of kills based on skill, luck, or enemy noobs. If i'm able to cap ,and hold an objective single handedly, then I m sure KD does mean something there.
five .50 players would all die in the first five seconds of the cap, where as i would still be fighting.
I fight a lot of noobs because they're all unable to get a positive KD, I can take on, and kill most of you STB kids when you aren't hiding in a tank.
Your KD does mean much much more then what you think.
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STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.06 03:11:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Bravo to the completely false conclusion. Kd doesn't mean squat. At most it says how often you fight noobs. Kd doesn't mean you captured or defended an objective, just that you got blah amount of kills based on skill, luck, or enemy noobs. If i'm able to cap ,and hold an objective single handedly, then I m sure KD does mean something there. five .50 players would all die in the first five seconds of the cap, where as i would still be fighting. I fight a lot of noobs because they're all unable to get a positive KD, I can take on, and kill most of you STB kids when you aren't hiding in a tank. Your KD does mean much much more then what you think.
Someone sounding butthurt but to the point pos kdr doesn't mean you do/can hold an objective better than someone negative, it just means you avoid dying better. Nothing more, potentially lessGäó |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:32:00 -
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Nope. You can check out this wonderful thing called the "MAG forums" to find out exactly why this is wrong. This is a zombie horse which has been buried, revived as a vampire, and then stabbed through the heart with a stake. You don't need KDR to be good at a tactical, team-based, objective-oriented game. What you DO need is the ability to coordinate with your team. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:42:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Obama DAT wrote:Wall of text self praise post. I wall of text would imply no paragraphs. My post has paragraphs.
Unless you think of the wall as being made of brick or stone, and the paragraphs as the individual bricks or stones. Or perhaps glass, where each paragraph is a large panel of glass hung from a steel support structure. Or perhaps a small wall made of marshmallows... |
Thaddeus Paullus
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:47:00 -
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Drake Lyons wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Your KD will determine if you're able to take an objective by being able to take out the defenders.
Your KD will determine if you're able to Defend the objective from attackers.
Your KD will determine if you're able to be an asset to the team. (being able to pull your own weight.) Sure, you can go logi, logies are good, they may not get a lot of kills. But they do help keep the team together.
If you're a sniper that's neg bombing, then please just quit, and open up the spot to someone how may be a little more capable at killing the team. You're useless... There really is no nice way to say it.
I run an assault Type II suit. I use either a gek, or a proto rifle, but I still use my milita gear if i don't feel like steam rolling the enemy team (which is quite often.). I'm able to mow down 15-20+ people a game, and only die 1-4 times most of the time. In-between those kills, I am capping OBJ's While the rest of you are respawning.
I am always trying to cover every objective as much as possible. Why? because I have no faith in my team when I'm running solo. There are times where I will be overwhelmed, and the rest of my team is busy LOOKING THE OTHER WAY.
So please, fore the love of all things ISK, try to not die ,and actually be an asset..
My team ends up losing so many skirmish games because they CAN'T defend the objective.
Stat padding with a tank is a different story. The longer you spend in the tank, the worse you'll actually become when you go infantry. I, too, am awesome. ...am I doing it right?
No, no, no! It's:
I am so much better than the rest of you scrubs, you don't deserve to be on the same server as I am, but I'll throw you a few stupid, obvious tips to pretend I'm contributing to the community! |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:47:00 -
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Unfortunately KD actually IS meaningless
Why?
Because tanks, that's why. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:51:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Unfortunately KD actually IS meaningless
Why?
Because tanks, that's why.
And scouts, snipers, mil shotguns, etc. |
Shadar Talos
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:59:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Your KD will determine if you're able to take an objective by being able to take out the defenders.
Your KD will determine if you're able to Defend the objective from attackers.
Your KD will determine if you're able to be an asset to the team. (being able to pull your own weight.) Sure, you can go logi, logies are good, they may not get a lot of kills. But they do help keep the team together.
If you're a sniper that's neg bombing, then please just quit, and open up the spot to someone how may be a little more capable at killing the team. You're useless... There really is no nice way to say it.
I run an assault Type II suit. I use either a gek, or a proto rifle, but I still use my milita gear if i don't feel like steam rolling the enemy team (which is quite often.). I'm able to mow down 15-20+ people a game, and only die 1-4 times most of the time. In-between those kills, I am capping OBJ's While the rest of you are respawning.
I am always trying to cover every objective as much as possible. Why? because I have no faith in my team when I'm running solo. There are times where I will be overwhelmed, and the rest of my team is busy LOOKING THE OTHER WAY.
So please, fore the love of all things ISK, try to not die ,and actually be an asset..
My team ends up losing so many skirmish games because they CAN'T defend the objective.
Stat padding with a tank is a different story. The longer you spend in the tank, the worse you'll actually become when you go infantry. Too cool for me. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:04:00 -
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KD does mean something I agree, the only problem is there is no matchmaking based on any player filters at the moment so your spot on the the amount of kills you have is only based on how well you can commit mass genocide on the scrubs. |
Grimmiers
15
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:35:00 -
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where's my win to loss ratio? |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:36:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:KD does mean something I agree, the only problem is there is no matchmaking based on any player filters at the moment so your spot on the the amount of kills you have is only based on how well you can commit mass genocide on the scrubs.
In other words, it is lower than meaningless |
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:41:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:KD does mean something I agree, the only problem is there is no matchmaking based on any player filters at the moment so your spot on the the amount of kills you have is only based on how well you can commit mass genocide on the scrubs. In other words, it is lower than meaningless
at the moment yes. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:43:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:KD does mean something I agree, the only problem is there is no matchmaking based on any player filters at the moment so your spot on the the amount of kills you have is only based on how well you can commit mass genocide on the scrubs. In other words, it is lower than meaningless at the moment yes.
And like most games forever yes. |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:50:00 -
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epeen... boosting stats since 1993 |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:53:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:epeen... boosting stats since 1993
Go back to the old arcades then you'll find it |
Clone Number 1
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:01:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Pezz IsDank wrote:In this beta KD means little in terms of bragging rights because it's so easy to have a really nice one after you get so much SP, or spec into marauder tanks.. if you're always playing in one of those you should have a 7.0+.
Otherwise I agree, that's almost always what ends up to me.. run around owning & capping objectives just to lose them just as fast. I'm currently around 4.20, and it's still still going up at a steady pace. I don't use tanks, other then driving around a Sice once in a blue moon.
Calling shenanigans . I see you in a tank a lot! OK here is a theory. I have been on foot this whole build. Howdidthattaste. Barely a 3.0
However I am only good in close places and objectives as a heavy would you want me on your team? I mean my kdr is not even decent? |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:17:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Billi Gene wrote:epeen... boosting stats since 1993 Go back to the old arcades then you'll find it
coin op arcade was more social for me.
I've never placed great trade in statistical jibber jabber, I mean sure, there are great players with prowess that place them above the average, and they are easy to spot by continued performance above the median, but they are an outlier.
To say that only players with(?)k/d of X.X should only be allowed to play a game, would reduce the sample size, and those players remaining would have on average lower then the specified X.X K/D, and yet again an outlier group would emerge as being above the median.
Continue the process and you have a world champion/s, but no player base.
And even with that, the OP admits that Logi don't get great K/D but do contribute...
So i guess I'm just agreeing with the people that are saying that K/D is neither reasonable as a metric and an illusion at best. |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
326
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:23:00 -
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I don't judge players by their ambitions. It's all about of what you can afford. |
Lazarus Solo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
66
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:29:00 -
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KDR doesn't determine your effectiveness at defending an objective. What if you have a 20KDR from using tanks for 70% of your gametime, and you're on foot at an objective? You might just get destroyed. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:49:00 -
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I love how the op put that little quip in there abut STB...
DON'T feed the trolls. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:49:00 -
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Clone Number 1 wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Pezz IsDank wrote:In this beta KD means little in terms of bragging rights because it's so easy to have a really nice one after you get so much SP, or spec into marauder tanks.. if you're always playing in one of those you should have a 7.0+.
Otherwise I agree, that's almost always what ends up to me.. run around owning & capping objectives just to lose them just as fast. I'm currently around 4.20, and it's still still going up at a steady pace. I don't use tanks, other then driving around a Sice once in a blue moon. Calling shenanigans . I see you in a tank a lot! OK here is a theory. I have been on foot this whole build. Howdidthattaste. Barely a 3.0 However I am only good in close places and objectives as a heavy would you want me on your team? I mean my kdr is not even decent? we did before you became an elitist |
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