Snipers are just fine, slap some buffer or use heavy with LAV if you worry about getting sniped that much ...

Sniping auto balances it self easily because you can't take the objectives if everyone is sniping in the hills and sniping is also useless in close packed ambush maps or in skirmish maps where you have plenty of buildings.

Right now ccp have gotten rid of the hp bonuses to advanced and proto suits and thats one of the reasons it has been so easy to one shot everyone

Hasn't even been a week of this change yet. Many people in corp wars took two shots to drop anyway. In random battles I don't believe people used advanced/proto suits, so the change hasn't really been so significant there. Either way, you can one-shot virtually every non-heavy with a charge rifle in regular battles where people are saving money by using mediocre gear.

And I think the Ishukone sucks. 60 CPU and 10 PG more or something for 37 less damage than charge rifle. Plus it's almost 10x as expensive. The slight effective increase in rate-of-fire isn't worth that in my opinion.

Instead of nerfing sniping, I'd like the see the risk vs reward go up. Make sniper rifles cost 5x as much if not more. It'll keep the amount of snipers down without making them useless. Weapon swap is a crappy idea but its nessessary when its overpowered. Right now its not overpowered due to the fact snipers aren't suited to take objectives.

all caps nonsense

People need to stop staying in one spot, of course its easy to kill someone with a sniper rifle when they are just standing exposed. You guys do understand how snipers work, right?

Snipers like to tickle my fat suit, heavy for life!

Snipers like to tickle my fat suit, heavy for life!

Respectfully disagree on scout suit assessment

Enter prototype gear.

Did you reach end game gear last build?

Will answer everything for me.

Heavies are the easiest to track.

Heavies die in ~3 hits post-hotfix, not including headshots.



When I mean "sniper" I mean someone who is actively sniping the entire game. Being a scout suit user and sniping if you see an enemy sniper is its own thing. But yeah, that thing you described there, a scout suit would work well for that, in part due to the horrible scout suit hit detection currently.



Last build? No. I wasn't a sniper last build either, though. Anyway, why should we care about last build?

Most people were using their Sunday best during the corp battles though, so I'm okay with how high-end gear pans out against snipers for the most part in terms of damage, but most battles won't be fought against people with prototype suits armored to the ****.

Played nearly every corp match. Didn't see 1 prototype suit. Loads of prototype weapons though.

Anyway I think I just read you suggesting snipers will do better if they avoid ambush? Avoid the mode where you will get the most sp if you are one of those mountain goat snipers. Maybe that's why snipers complain about so little sp when I would have proto gear now with my 8mil sp if I didn't spread my sp across the board again.

CCP if it will stop all this sniper whine,I beg you to change it back.

I don't really look at suit types beyond assault/heavy/etc, so I can't really compare. Either way, as mentioned, it isn't top-tier sniping builds vs. top-tier everything-else builds. Infantry people won't rock top-tier fits for average games, from what I've seen.



I said they'd rarely die if they avoid Ambush. Ambush is fun, but deaths during the initial 30 seconds can be rather arbitrary, depending on where you spawn. It was more of a quip than an actual suggestion. I don't know that Ambush is better for SP than Skirmish, and it's hard enough to get in a game that I'd never seriously recommend people avoid Ambush.



By "all this sniper whine" I assume you mean... just me? I've been pretty disappointed with it, but whenever I make comments about snipers being too effective currently, I never get any traction.

As far as your assesment for dropsuits is concerned I would agree for the most part but once cloaking is introduced, scout suits will be the best option for snipers.

Snipers like to tickle my fat suit, heavy for life!

Soo when u get hit and go down to 2/3rd's armor, get hit again and have just a sliver of armor left, what goes trew your mind? My bullet.

Heavies= dead in 3 shots

Have they released details on them yet? Are they high power slot things? What's their CPU/PG like? Scout suits already have low CPU/PG. Taking a high power slot to presumably move unseen to your sniper position, or to run away if someone gets too close, would be of limited value in my opinion. I'd rather put a complex upgrade in there, as it will benefit you every time you shoot someone, whereas a cloak would only benefit you infrequently.

Sitting around crouched killwhoring the whole game is fairly easy and boring. Moving around the map in a scout suit covering your team, scouting and spotting enemies ect. is what we should be talking about when trying to write a guide on how to snipe.

This is a fantastic guide to get a great KDR. If that is your goal, sniping is a viable way to make it to the top. When I play my AR/Logi character, I do better contribution wise but not KDR wise. When I am running around with him trying to win the match, it is just simply baffling to me why the snipers on our team are sitting in the back of the map or on a mountain not doing anything at all for the objective. Cool bro you went 15-1 or whatever, but we just lost the match because you weren't sniping the enemies engaging and, because of you, outnumbering your team. Now they can't take the objective. This isn't directed at anyone in particular. I just see it a lot, and it becomes painstakingly obvious when playing an AR character as somebody who primarily snipes.

I'll admit to making kills past 700m now... how far? Lets not spoil the surprise.

In the corp battles I totally shut down the other team attempting to hack one of our objectives a number of times. They'd fly by in a dropship or in a LAV and some guys would get out at an undefended objective, and then they would all die. I also saved many allies by thinning the enemy numbers around an objective, or taking out their snipers, or killing enemies en route to reinforce an objective we're pushing. Regular non-corp maps aren't any different.

Either way, the idea that being a sniper means not being a team player is silly. Maybe the people you save from an enemy coming up behind them with a shotgun never know they were saved by you. Maybe nobody ever really recognizes that you prevented an objective from being taken by a few enemies. But if you have half a mind to help your team win, it's very easy to do that while also being a few hundred metres away from the objectives you're guarding. The only caveat is that people who don't snipe will sometimes accuse you of not helping out your team.

It is awesome that you help your team, but you are in the minority.

In the corp battles I totally shut down the other team attempting to hack one of our objectives a number of times. They'd fly by in a dropship or in a LAV and some guys would get out at an undefended objective, and then they would all die. I also saved many allies by thinning the enemy numbers around an objective, or taking out their snipers, or killing enemies en route to reinforce an objective we're pushing. Regular non-corp maps aren't any different.

Either way, the idea that being a sniper means not being a team player is silly. Maybe the people you save from an enemy coming up behind them with a shotgun never know they were saved by you. Maybe nobody ever really recognizes that you prevented an objective from being taken by a few enemies. But if you have half a mind to help your team win, it's very easy to do that while also being a few hundred metres away from the objectives you're guarding. The only caveat is that people who don't snipe will sometimes accuse you of not helping out your team.

Well, this was partly my point. How would you tell? What does it look like when a sniper stops an otherwise undefended objective from being taken? Or when a sniper kills someone who was about to put a breach shotgun up your ass? It's hard to imagine someone being successful as a sniper while not being a positive contribution to their team. Where exactly are the enemies they're killing, if not the ones targeting the sniper's team mates, or attacking friendly objectives, or defending hostile objectives?

Let me guess, objective B on the volcano map? That objective is special in that if you spawn on the right side of the map a sniper can shut down that objective without exposing yourself. Plus you can easily shift positions to look at C. Most objectives in this game are not this sniper friendly

Personally I prefer a shoot and move style of play, moving to cover whatever squad I am playing with. In any case, the way I see it if a sniper is getting a good number of kills covering an objective he is helping his team regardless of whether he is in a mountain or moving around just off an objective area.

Snipers are broken?

How?

TBH i havnt seen one good sniper yet, sure i get hit now n again but really they dont bother me at all tbh and miss half the time

The sway is fine and the damage aint too bad, sucks if you get OHK and it was a body shot but then again if your in a scout suit then expect it

Instead of nerfing sniping, I'd like the see the risk vs reward go up. Make sniper rifles cost 5x as much if not more. It'll keep the amount of snipers down without making them useless. Weapon swap is a crappy idea but its nessessary when its overpowered. Right now its not overpowered due to the fact snipers aren't suited to take objectives.

Damn at all the nerf threads. Snipers should be feared on the battlefield, it seems that many are not in this game. A sniper is supposed to OHK you as well, that's the point of being a sniper. One Shot One Kill.

How bout we just give everyone pea shooters and let them run around with those. No different guns, no skills to train, no levels of weapons. Just a ******* peashooter. Then everyone can run around bunny hopping and shooting peas at each other, and then no one can call for a nerf.

Jesus if you can't handle snipers, learn to counter snipe, or get yourself a better suit.

I use the militia sniper rifle most of the time. It is free and you would be amazed at how many people will just stand still if the first shot doesn't take them out. That having been said, I usually try for the head shot if they aren't moving anyways. Since most people are using cheaper gear it isn't a problem to one-shot.

I remember I'd be lucky to go 1-5 KDR when I first started playing. Now with hit-detection a lot more stable I'd go at LEAST 10-1, or 20-1.

I'm not stroking e-peen. That's probably nothing...

Also in some games you have n00bs who don't seem grasp that someone is sniping them and the very next game on a same map and you struggle to get kills because the opposing team knows how to avoid and kill snipers.

In this game being a successful sniper also relies heavily on opposing team being idiots, not that I mind getting 7-0 or better scores in a match just like everyone else.

In this game being a successful sniper also relies heavily on opposing team being idiots, not that I mind getting 7-0 or better scores in a match just like everyone else.