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Star Killer 420
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:48:00 -
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There was barely a chance of beating a Tank before the Nerf & now there's 0 chance!! My AV Grenades do 0 now & my Advanced AUR Swarm Launchers do almost nothing... 3 of us went after a Sagaris with 2 Advanced AUR Swarm Launchers & 1 Proto Swarm Launcher & emptied all Full clips with Full Contact & the sheilds barely were touched... Also, i went up against a Saga & put all 4 Full Rounds from my Advanced AUR Swarm Launcher into it & it was also barely damaged.... |
D'Finn Rhedlyne
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:51:00 -
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I took 3 tanks out single handed yesterday.... I would tell you how but you are Gallente! |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:00:00 -
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D'Finn Rhedlyne wrote:I took 3 tanks out single handed yesterday.... I would tell you how but you are Gallente! BURN That's what he gets for being Gallente scum. /sarcasm
@OP Every tank I've seen destroyed so far bit the dust by AV grenades. However, I think what you're noticing is the commonly noted fact that grenades have a tendency to randomly disappear after being thrown, so you're experiencing a bug, not an over-nerfed weapon. |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:00:00 -
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noob tanks that have just skilled into it and have no clue about support skills.
you go against a gunlogi and see what a full salvo from a swarm launcher does to the shields. you'll be lucky if it takes 10-15% |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:16:00 -
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Cpl Quartz wrote:noob tanks that have just skilled into it and have no clue about support skills.
you go against a gunlogi and see what a full salvo from a swarm launcher does to the shields. you'll be lucky if it takes 10-15% Militia swarm launcher, I'm guessing? You can't really expect a free weapon to easily destroy something the other person has spent all those skillpoints training for. |
STB-LURCHASAURUS EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:21:00 -
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mobius, your off your rocker. everyone should be able to one shot my fully fitted, 10 mil sp marauder with their free militia swarm launcher. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:23:00 -
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STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:mobius, your off your rocker. everyone should be able to one shot my fully fitted, 10 mil sp marauder with their free militia swarm launcher. I don't know what I was thinking all this time... |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:43:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cpl Quartz wrote:noob tanks that have just skilled into it and have no clue about support skills.
you go against a gunlogi and see what a full salvo from a swarm launcher does to the shields. you'll be lucky if it takes 10-15% Militia swarm launcher, I'm guessing? You can't really expect a free weapon to easily destroy something the other person has spent all those skillpoints training for.
i'll come back to the same old argument people are being rewarded with more skillpoints for kills. do you or CCP expect the majority of players to skill into tanks or AV? answer the question honestly.
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Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:46:00 -
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STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:mobius, your off your rocker. everyone should be able to one shot my fully fitted, 10 mil sp marauder with their free militia swarm launcher.
sidenote, you should really stop leaving servers when you get shot in the face. K/D doesnt mean your any good you know. nice armor skills very noticable over the average joe. that heavy machine gun your using might be of use next patch. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:49:00 -
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Cpl Quartz wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cpl Quartz wrote:noob tanks that have just skilled into it and have no clue about support skills.
you go against a gunlogi and see what a full salvo from a swarm launcher does to the shields. you'll be lucky if it takes 10-15% Militia swarm launcher, I'm guessing? You can't really expect a free weapon to easily destroy something the other person has spent all those skillpoints training for. i'll come back to the same old argument people are being rewarded with more skillpoints for kills. do you or CCP expect the majority of players to skill into tanks or AV? answer the question honestly. Tanks are a possibility when going into a match. When any nation's army deploys in the real world, there's a chance the enemy will have tanks, so they bring anti-tank weapons with them. Why do you think LAWs exist? Nothing says you have to spec into tanks or AV, but if you refuse to do either, you'd better make sure someone on your team did.
The fact is that there isn't a trusty rocket launcher sitting in it's usual spawn near the center of the map that you can use on that pesky tank and kill it with one or two hits. That works in other games, but not here. |
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Run you OVER
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:50:00 -
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Yes, swarm launchers now suck |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:52:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cpl Quartz wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cpl Quartz wrote:noob tanks that have just skilled into it and have no clue about support skills.
you go against a gunlogi and see what a full salvo from a swarm launcher does to the shields. you'll be lucky if it takes 10-15% Militia swarm launcher, I'm guessing? You can't really expect a free weapon to easily destroy something the other person has spent all those skillpoints training for. i'll come back to the same old argument people are being rewarded with more skillpoints for kills. do you or CCP expect the majority of players to skill into tanks or AV? answer the question honestly. Tanks are a possibility when going into a match. When any nation's army deploys in the real world, there's a chance the enemy will have tanks, so they bring anti-tank weapons with them. Why do you think LAWs exist? Nothing says you have to spec into tanks or AV, but if you refuse to do either, you'd better make sure someone on your team did. The fact is that there isn't a trusty rocket launcher sitting in it's usual spawn near the center of the map that you can use on that pesky tank and kill it with one or two hits. That works in other games, but not here.
simple answer please will people skill into tanks or AV the way players are being rewarded now. you know the answer and are just sidesteping it for personal reasons.
CCP have a poor reward system as it is now is all i'm saying and i think they know it. They as devs have a duty to "force" players into playing this game a certain way, without the majority of them knowing that it's even happening. It's not going to happen when they bias the reward system the way it is at the moment. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:56:00 -
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I know what we need, a sidearm av weapon
Note: make it look as fancy as possible, have it do the same damage as a scrambler for direct and splash
(Basically an all bark, little bite weapons to satisfy noobs) |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:01:00 -
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having normal waepons do zero damage to tanks doesnt help. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:03:00 -
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Cpl Quartz wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cpl Quartz wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cpl Quartz wrote:noob tanks that have just skilled into it and have no clue about support skills.
you go against a gunlogi and see what a full salvo from a swarm launcher does to the shields. you'll be lucky if it takes 10-15% Militia swarm launcher, I'm guessing? You can't really expect a free weapon to easily destroy something the other person has spent all those skillpoints training for. i'll come back to the same old argument people are being rewarded with more skillpoints for kills. do you or CCP expect the majority of players to skill into tanks or AV? answer the question honestly. Tanks are a possibility when going into a match. When any nation's army deploys in the real world, there's a chance the enemy will have tanks, so they bring anti-tank weapons with them. Why do you think LAWs exist? Nothing says you have to spec into tanks or AV, but if you refuse to do either, you'd better make sure someone on your team did. The fact is that there isn't a trusty rocket launcher sitting in it's usual spawn near the center of the map that you can use on that pesky tank and kill it with one or two hits. That works in other games, but not here. simple answer please will people skill into tanks or AV the way players are being rewarded now. you know the answer and are just sidesteping it for personal reasons. CCP have a poor reward system as it is now is all i'm saying and i think they know it. They as devs have a duty to "force" players into playing this game a certain way, without the majority of them knowing that it's even happening. It's not going to happen when they bias the reward syastem the way it is at the moment. What bias do you percieve, exactly? Clarifying that will probably help clarify the whole discussion. |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:07:00 -
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you still havent answered my earlier question.
the bias that if your sat in a tank all day long you get way more skill points. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:08:00 -
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Tanks are Op and the tankys know it. If you havent noticed they roam in packs on the fourms remote repping each other. Save the I win button at all costs.
They ruin the game as they are.
I spec'd tanks this build and Its been almost boring. No risk massive rewards. |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:09:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Tanks are Op and the tankys know it. If you havent noticed they roam in packs on the fourms remote repping each other. Save the I win button at all costs.
They ruin the game as they are.
I spec'd tanks this build and Its been almost boring. No risk massive rewards.
whats worring is that they seem to be getting through to certain devs look at the IRC thread.
thank you for an honest answer. i knew it too the first time i sat in the gunner seat in one of them remote rep gangs. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:11:00 -
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Cpl Quartz wrote:you still havent answered my earlier question.
the bias that if your sat in a tank all day long you get way more skill points. Ah, thank you. Part of that perceived bias is a direct result of unlimited ammunition for vehicles, which I have opposed since I got into this beta, and I would imagine will be on it's way out before too long. Also, I think you'll find that people like xprotoman23 manage to make just as much SP running and gunning, so it really all depends on what fits your play style. I can pretty much guarantee that fast-tracking into HAVs is going to be a lot less rewarding once you can't just spam your weapons everywhere with reckless abandon. |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:15:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cpl Quartz wrote:you still havent answered my earlier question.
the bias that if your sat in a tank all day long you get way more skill points. Ah, thank you. Part of that perceived bias is a direct result of unlimited ammunition for vehicles, which I have opposed since I got into this beta, and I would imagine will be on it's way out before too long. Also, I think you'll find that people like xprotoman23 manage to make just as much SP running and gunning, so it really all depends on what fits your play style. I can pretty much guarantee that fast-tracking into HAVs is going to be a lot less rewarding once you can't just spam your weapons everywhere with reckless abandon.
yeah well tanks are not the only thing thats overpowered just that most people havent worked it out yet. and at least it takes some skill to do what he does. |
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:18:00 -
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@ Op Reason is some derp @ CCP is a tanky but clearly crap, and bitter because he wants his marauders to be godly, and superhuman clones to just be pointless.
CCP, whoever on your team I backing tanks as not OP, remove them from things. Like their own face. The have thrown away all your good work improving hit detection and lag. None of that matter in a 60 tonnne Tank. |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:23:00 -
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same derp that leaks info to goons prolly. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:25:00 -
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Cpl Quartz wrote:same derp that leaks info to goons prolly.
We should Lynch him
DISCLAIMER: for the love of everything, not in a racist manner!!! |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:27:00 -
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just saying. not very professional is it. if it was a GM doing it prolly be sacked. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:30:00 -
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Honestly it pains me that they cant see this.
I'm over 50 games now without loosing a tank. (not counting driving off into the redzone or crash bug)
Befor the Corp events started I had 6 Sagr, 5 Gunlog and 7 Myrons all fully proto fitted out ready to roll.
Thats alot of isk right there..do you think I had to work hard for it ?
NOPE I just ROFL spawned em out for freee use in the corp games.
Yes we Redlined them every game within 2 mins.
I might stop saying they are OP when they cost 2-3 times as much as the ROFL isk they cost now.
I get it I aint making any freinds speaking out about tanks as a tanky but I actualy really enjoy this game and am a bit of a fanboy of CCP. Just dont want to see it keep going this way and gun game mean nothing. A AAA shooter has gun game no ? |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:34:00 -
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all we the ones that want to see dust become a tripple A title can do is give feedback if it falls on deaf ears so be it. they could be doing it just for number collecting purposes, we can only hope. after all ours is just an opinion whos to say its right.
mind you when i think about it do i want dust to be like the other triple AAA pander to the braindead zombie keep killing faster crowd. hell no but i bet they would make more money sadly. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:42:00 -
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Dont mean we should stand aside while sneakspeaks and wormtongues poison CCP perspective on things.
BIt baffled atm CCP kinda done a string of strange things dev wise in the last week. Some one out the office atm or has some one new joined ?
I bet its just one Dev thats got a hard on for tanks an cant actauly run and gun. Well dude you win those infantry sure are getting owned. |
Cpl Quartz
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:47:00 -
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most devs (generally speaking) are better than average gamers so i very much dought thats the case. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:48:00 -
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Tailss Prower
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.09.02 12:24:00 -
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It will be a good game just give them time to work it all out no need to rush them :P |
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