Based on the statements in this thread I created a list what should be done with both.

Tanks:
1. They need a higher top speed and a far lower acceleration.
2. Their turret rotation should be lower.
3. They should have weak spots with their own hp bar. They should be tracks, tower slewing ring, motor intake socket and cameras. The cameras should at every turret and a camera drone should follow the tank. If you knock them out they are blind and have to look outside of the tank where they can be shooten out. If the motor intake socket, tracks or the slewing ring is half destroyed they are slower and if they are destroyed the tank cannot do their function. They can be repaired with a certain module but it should be like hacking.

AV:
1. Make AV grenades staying just a certain time so they cannot be used as mines.
2. RE should be magnetical.
3. The swarm launcher shouldnt be a fire and forget weapon. You should be able to steer them for a certain time after start or at least let them fly staight for a few seconds before they start homing.
4. The forge gun needs at least the same range as a small railgun turret.
5. You should add anti-tank rifles. They could require a heavy slot and a lot of CPU/PG, a very long charging time and a one shot magazine. Its damage should be about the of a sniper rifle but it ignores the armor and shield of a tank and just damages the crew due to the splinter flying inside the tank after a hit.
6. The damage of the weapons should stay at the current stats.

If you introduce these features tanks wouldnt be solo vehicles they would require some escorting troops and the AV weapons would be more effective. All together they would be balanced.

1.exists already
2.exists already
3.too complcated and gay sounding

1.exists already
2.why
3.you've obviously not played before E3
4.exists already
5.you mean a really overpowered weapon that could lead to the thefts of multi million ISK tanks?
6.as a tank driver myself, even i say no

Last night I was in a corp battle and there was 6 mercs all trying to take down one HAV to no real effect... Something is SERIOUSLY wrong.

Tanks seem OP right now because there arn't large groups able to co-ordinate AV defenses, its mostly lone heavies with forge guns or militia swarms. CCP has done the right thing and balanced them for co-ordinated play, otherwise tanks would be useless in their intended role of spearheading attacks into heavily defended places.

I played 2 builds ago before the swarm and forge gun nerf and i can tell you that AV was way too powerful. A single heavy with an assault forge gun behind a rock could force you to retreat because there was no way to hit them behind cover well they did massive amounts of DPS. Even as an infantry player now i feel the changes are needed.

you can attack with 12 mercs....if none of them have an adequate av fit, nothing is gonna happen soon

I agree with this, but I do think they need limited ammo.

That isnt so much of the problem. The milita sl has enough damage to kill a standard tank. If they do it a bit tactical like waiting after the repairer has depleted beore they shoot they would win.

with ewar you will be able to shut off their turrets by draining capacitors. different means to the same end

The whole "you need team work to take down a tank" argument blows big time. Giving one player that kind of power and survivability just breaks the whole balance and pretty much makes the game Pay or Grind to win. "But they cost so much so they should be that powerful" is almost like defending tanks by saying that the game is pay to win.

Taking down a tank should be a team effort?
what a ******* joke.
Guess we need 3 teams to take down 3 or just sit back and watch while tanks are "fighting the real battle" since there's no other build or fit that can fight them on equal grounds.

Since tank doesn't need team effort to survive, why do we need team effort to destroy one?

Because this is not a typical FPS match. This is total war. Money matters. Teamwork matters. A tank should be difficult to destroy because it's a tank.

You have the wrong mindset for this game.

Because this is not a typical FPS match. This is total war. Money matters. Teamwork matters. A tank should be difficult to destroy because it's a tank.

You have the wrong mindset for this game.

A limit would be nice at least on how many tanks 1 side can have, if you dont impose a limit when Dust finally goes live and everything stays as it is, everyone will spec for tanks because they are effective against everything and very little to actually threaten them. and Dust will become a glorified World of tanks FPS and everything else in between (Lavs, Dropships etc) will have been forgotten about

The whole "you need team work to take down a tank" argument blows big time. Giving one player that kind of power and survivability just breaks the whole balance and pretty much makes the game Pay or Grind to win. "But they cost so much so they should be that powerful" is almost like defending tanks by saying that the game is pay to win.

Taking down a tank should be a team effort?
what a ******* joke.
Guess we need 3 teams to take down 3 or just sit back and watch while tanks are "fighting the real battle" since there's no other build or fit that can fight them on equal grounds.

Since tank doesn't need team effort to survive, why do we need team effort to destroy one?

two things baffle me....

for some reason people seem to forget a tank has three people in it. common sense dictates you should attack it with at least three av guys to counter....

secondly, where are you people getting the idea that speccing into av takes longer than tanks? seriously? i have 10 mil into my tanks and im nowhere near done.

two things baffle me....

for some reason people seem to forget a tank has three people in it. common sense dictates you should attack it with at least three av guys to counter....

secondly, where are you people getting the idea that speccing into av takes longer than tanks? seriously? i have 10 mil into my tanks and im nowhere near done.

Grenade skill is expensive as hell but needed for AV-nades.

Tanks seem OP right now because there arn't large groups able to co-ordinate AV defenses, its mostly lone heavies with forge guns or militia swarms. CCP has done the right thing and balanced them for co-ordinated play, otherwise tanks would be useless in their intended role of spearheading attacks into heavily defended places.

I played 2 builds ago before the swarm and forge gun nerf and i can tell you that AV was way too powerful. A single heavy with an assault forge gun behind a rock could force you to retreat because there was no way to hit them behind cover well they did massive amounts of DPS. Even as an infantry player now i feel the changes are needed.

Something must be done so tanks don't dominate the battlefield ads they do now.
I think that killing a tank should present a serious threat and would require multiple persons to take down.
But as I suppose CCP is already on it and trying to fix stuff so that everybody will be happy. Well besides those that get butthurt over everything ofc.

single av guy does not equal a tank

av guys are tank busters for sure, but a tank is a tank.....people need to get it out of their heads that everything has a perfect and equal balance to it. ccp doesnt do balance

Based on the statements in this thread I created a list what should be done with both.

Tanks:
1. They need a higher top speed and a far lower acceleration.
2. Their turret rotation should be lower.
3. They should have weak spots with their own hp bar. They should be tracks, tower slewing ring, motor intake socket and cameras. The cameras should at every turret and a camera drone should follow the tank. If you knock them out they are blind and have to look outside of the tank where they can be shooten out. If the motor intake socket, tracks or the slewing ring is half destroyed they are slower and if they are destroyed the tank cannot do their function. They can be repaired with a certain module but it should be like hacking.

AV:
1. Make AV grenades staying just a certain time so they cannot be used as mines.
2. RE should be sticky.
3. The swarm launcher shouldnt be a fire and forget weapon. You should be able to steer them for a certain time after start or at least let them fly staight for a few seconds before they start homing.
4. The forge gun needs at least the same range as a small railgun turret.
5. You should add anti-tank rifles. They could require a heavy slot and a lot of CPU/PG, a very long charging time and a one shot magazine. Its damage should be about the of a sniper rifle but it ignores the armor and shield of a tank and just damages the crew due to the splinter flying inside the tank after a hit.
6. The damage of the weapons should stay at the current stats.

If you introduce these features tanks wouldnt be solo vehicles they would require some escorting troops and the AV weapons would be more effective. All together they would be balanced.