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Seraph Azriel
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.09.01 07:39:00 -
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So I have been playing this game since the first round of beta codes went out to EVE players. I have been an EVE player since '08, I only say this to give added validity to my statement. I have more or less enjoyed the beta (with it's numerous faults because I have caught the vision of what this game has the potential to be. I even bought a merc pack. I really do love CCP, but as of tonight.... the game has become broken to the point that I don't want to play anymore, at least until it is fixed.
The corp battles changed the paradigm in the game. The incentive to win got a lot of people to pull out all of the stops and actually spend isk in large amounts, not caring if they lose money as long as they win. Tanks became not only commonplace, but it became abundantly clear that there have been heavy nerfs to av . This opened pandora's box, and players realized that short of someone speced into protoforge or proto swarm, and they lived long enough to get the required number of shots off, and you had a resupply depot or nanohive available (cause it can take more than the amount of shots in the gun)
... tanks were immortal killing machines only killable from another tank. Now, every game I join has 6-8 tanks in it and even if I get into my forge gunner suit and start to try to do something about it, I get one-shotted before I can take one of them out
I used to have a forge gun build called tank buster, and that is all it really did... and that was ok. It took a few shots but tanks feared (as they should) a forge gun but as for killing infantry, not so much. If infantry died it was because they stood still and didn't kill me in the time it took me to charge my gun. It was balanced because all it took was the tank to run or infantry to attack me and I was in trouble, now a tier 1 assault forge gun does considerably less damage than a militia swarm launcher.
I hope CCP fixes this soon because I am willing to bet that the average gamer, who has yet catch the vision of the future, will give the game a second chance. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.01 08:09:00 -
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Everyone who uses a tank while this "Temporary" AV nerf is in effect should be completely ashamed of themselves.
Here, play something more your speed:
http://www.girlsgogames.com/
There's one where you can BAKE A CAKE OMG! |
Vane KoS
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.09.01 08:19:00 -
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Have to agree - Ive even started boycotting games where tanks are deployed. (just because its no fun and I play for fun) |
Seraph Azriel
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.09.01 08:20:00 -
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.... on the plus side, I really enjoyed the no holds barred corp battles today. I actually got to fight with the EU and US, and it was pretty bad ass to see both sides fielding the best they can afford in order to win. It had a completely different feel than just a normal game. There was an urgency and stress level that you normally only get in battlefield except more so because losing means you may lose your chance at the prize and the isk you spent was wasted. |
Rugman91
Deep Space Republic
143
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Posted - 2012.09.01 08:31:00 -
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If you just hide from them and run away you should not be dieing. Its not like a tank can sneak up on you. You should see it coming
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.09.01 08:37:00 -
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Although I pretty much completely agree with what you're saying, I think it's important to remember that this IS a beta. I know people get tired of hearing that, but in this particular instance I think it's warranted. CCP have already stated that it's a "temporary" tweak for testing purposes. As long as it's being done for a reason I think we should cut the devs some slack. If you're not having fun with it while they test whatever they need tested, just take a break for a week until they're done doing what they are doing. Your character will still be here, and you'll still get to participate in the beta... even if you don't play for awhile. I just don't see why it's necessary to get all riled up over beta testing a game you signed up to beta test.
Again, don't get me wrong, tanks are outta control. If they don't realize that by now, yet another rant from Dust User 42517 isn't going to persuade them. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED
TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.09.01 08:39:00 -
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Yea but they make the forums fun. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1904
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Posted - 2012.09.01 08:51:00 -
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Rugman91 wrote:If you just hide from them and run away you should not be dieing. Its not like a tank can sneak up on you. You should see it coming
DUST 514; Hide and go Seek Edition |
Seraph Azriel
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.09.01 08:58:00 -
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so.... we ignore and run away from the thing that can one shot anything. Tank incoming... scatter! |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.01 09:21:00 -
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If we just leave the match when they show up - or better yet, go wait in the spawn till the match is over, they get to kill nothing. |
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.09.01 09:44:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:If we just leave the match when they show up - or better yet, go wait in the spawn till the match is over, they get to kill nothing.
If you really hate the things, you'd be better served just running right to them repeatedly and letting them kill you. If enough people did that the numbers would start skewing even further in favor of tanks. If tanks start getting 70 kills a round CCP would probably have to nerf them. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.01 09:48:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Ignatius Crumwald wrote:If we just leave the match when they show up - or better yet, go wait in the spawn till the match is over, they get to kill nothing. If you really hate the things, you'd be better served just running right to them repeatedly and letting them kill you. If enough people did that the numbers would start skewing even further in favor of tanks. If tanks start getting 70 kills a round CCP would probably have to nerf them.
Or they'll think they've discovered the heretofore untapped Masochist gaming market and buff them further.
Other than that I'd rather not get into what most players would be "Better Served" doing, I'm sure many have already decided. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:07:00 -
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Yep tanks are OP some say they are ment to be so and if thats the case dont you agree they should at least be more expensive?
50% of the matchs I play in now I'm getting over 200k isk. Thats a new loltank every 3 games and I normaly loose a tank to the redzone or a crash every 20 or so.
Tank lovers all said this was bull and I got called all sorts when I said my bit on tanks.
If life is so hard for a tanky like myself then how could I spawn 6 sarg and 5 gunlog into the corp battles for all to use?
You wouldnt even wana hear about how much more SP we are getting.
This game is just gona be one big tank battle at this rate.
Hope they get nerfed or have the price hiked big time because I would like to go back to holding a gun in my hand.
Till then beatings will continue  |
BestNameEva
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2012.09.01 10:45:00 -
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Man up pussies |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
191
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:28:00 -
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I think that tanks are fine but AV sucks.
2-3 people with AV weapons should be able to kill or drive off a lone tank. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:57:00 -
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Right now you bring 3-4 AV at my tank I would just run you over and save the ammo.
This is how it was intended ccp ? really ?
The tanks not even fun anymore |
William HBonney
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:33:00 -
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i also love how tanks don't show up on your radar unless someone sees it.....why do I, a human without a sweet dropsuit have more situational awareness then my merc? Why is my mercs only sense for identifying positions sight? echo location much?...nope a tank can run me over and I would never know that he was there. |
Seraph Azriel
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:40:00 -
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that almost makes sense, because if we have sweet sensors, they have sweet abilities to counter sensors, if you don't hear the tank behind you... you kinda deserve it. That is the reason squads are becoming more and more important
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Rusty Shallows
Creative Killers
11
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:15:00 -
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I agree with everything else said except this.
Baal Roo wrote:If they don't realize that by now, yet another rant from Dust User 42517 isn't going to persuade them.
The squeaky well get's the oil. Besides if they do indeed ignore an issue the more it gets talk about the more likely said problem will spread into outside media sources and conversation thereby killing said game.
Not that I see Dust 514 dying from any changes by CCP. At the end of the day for eve null corps it will be vital. The only question is will the game be niche or broad? |
Robojock
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:41:00 -
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I'm sure CCP will increase Anti-vehicle weapons or add Anti-Tank vehicles & Anti-Air vehicles.
While AV Troops having more of a chance vs. all vehicles. |
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William HBonney
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:17:00 -
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Seraph Azriel wrote:that almost makes sense, because if we have sweet sensors, they have sweet abilities to counter sensors, if you don't hear the tank behind you... you kinda deserve it. That is the reason squads are becoming more and more important
You can hear the tank, but without surround sound you cannot pinpoint it, if i were there and not my merc I could pin point the tanks location due to it's sound....unless it was in my "cone of confusion" but even still i'd have a good idea where it came from...I am not talking about sweet sensors, i am talking about the human senses. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:38:00 -
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The all out Nerf on infantry is bull. A good advanced suit has a CHANCE to get close enough to damage a tank. With all suits reduced to militia stats I just cba to play until something major changes.
Apparently there are stasis mines on the way. I can't seem them doing a lot with 4 tanks driving about with splash damage ect. Back to playing Black Prophecy. |
Vitriol18
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2012.09.01 21:23:00 -
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Just fought a Surya, droppped a nano hive and threw every AV grenade i had until the hive ran out, had a forge gunner standing next to me shooting it as well, one guy standing on top of the tank shooting it, swarm missiles were hitting it.
It didnt even need to move, it just shrugged it off, killed a few guys and drove off.
This is the first time i have seen maruaders in this build, if they are all like this, this game just became pointless, In the previous build with full proto un nerfed AV weaponry marauders were moblie fortresses scared of nothing, this build they will be as gods with the mere infantry scurrying around like ants. |
Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.09.01 21:57:00 -
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Agreed.
Personally tough, I think AV-builds should be able to take down a dedicated tank driver even alone. Sure not with the current ridiculous tank prices. But I don't think it would be wrong to mimic a bit of the Battlefield 3 tank balance, where tanks are both vulnerable to AV but still a great asset for a team.
If CCP wants to give us supremely effective overpowered vehicles, they should make a game mode where team 1 defends a mobile fortress and team 2 tries to take it down within the time limit.
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mcbob mcbob
10
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Posted - 2012.09.01 22:22:00 -
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Seems to me that a lack of turrets really made tanks stronger. |
Shiro Mokuzan
220
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Posted - 2012.09.01 22:29:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:Everyone who uses a tank while this "Temporary" AV nerf is in effect should be completely ashamed of themselves. Here, play something more your speed: http://www.girlsgogames.com/There's one where you can BAKE A CAKE OMG!
You're missing the point. We can't test the relative strength of AV vs vehicles if no one plays vehicles, and that's why they would modify AV temporarily--so we can test it.
Betas are not for having fun, they're for testing. So just because something is "unfair" or "broken" doesn't mean we should stop using it.
I personally haven't driven an HAV since the last build. I don't even have an HAV fitting. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.01 22:39:00 -
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If they didn't get enough data out of the last build for vehicles I don't know how this change will help. |
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