DUST Search - Tank Spam the way forword apprently

steadyhand amarr wrote:

just done a corp battle that basically just proved what people have been saying for months, that good tanks have NO effective counter at all we had one good tank vs 3 and just got spanked, team play just didnt come into it.

OS strikes where pointless because tanks can just move out the way.

frankly this has been a clear problem for a while and nerfing AV even more has just made the problem worse. the Effort to kill for tanks is just completely off and needs to be readdressed.

at the moment corp battles will simply come down to which ever corp can field the most tanks/dropships playerskill wont matter which means newb corps we never have a look in. while this may work for EvE, in FPS this is never ever fun and with the way game is built it just wont be fun for all but the top units who just go round whomping the little guys who dont have any high-sec space to have fun in.

any thoughts on this, as at the moment i fear this is game-breaking if you look at the big pic

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steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:30:00 - [1] - Quote just done a corp battle that basically just proved what people have been saying for months, that good tanks have NO effective counter at all we had one good tank vs 3 and just got spanked, team play just didnt come into it. OS strikes where pointless because tanks can just move out the way. frankly this has been a clear problem for a while and nerfing AV even more has just made the problem worse. the Effort to kill for tanks is just completely off and needs to be readdressed. at the moment corp battles will simply come down to which ever corp can field the most tanks/dropships playerskill wont matter which means newb corps we never have a look in. while this may work for EvE, in FPS this is never ever fun and with the way game is built it just wont be fun for all but the top units who just go round whomping the little guys who dont have any high-sec space to have fun in. any thoughts on this, as at the moment i fear this is game-breaking if you look at the big pic
SkunkyUK Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:31:00 - [2] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: just done a corp battle that basically just proved what people have been saying for months, that good tanks have NO effective counter at all we had one good tank vs 3 and just got spanked, team play just didnt come into it. OS strikes where pointless because tanks can just move out the way. frankly this has been a clear problem for a while and nerfing AV even more has just made the problem worse. the Effort to kill for tanks is just completely off and needs to be readdressed. at the moment corp battles will simply come down to which ever corp can field the most tanks/dropships playerskill wont matter which means newb corps we never have a look in. while this may work for EvE, in FPS this is never ever fun and with the way game is built it just wont be fun for all but the top units who just go round whomping the little guys who dont have any high-sec space to have fun in. any thoughts on this, as at the moment i fear this is game-breaking if you look at the big pic Agree, totally. The skills on foot just don't matter. It's whoever has bought the best tank wins.
Unit-775 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:35:00 - [3] - Quote We just had a battle where the enemy fielded 3 tanks on an open map and they lost horrible . But you know what ? Their K/D was great und ours sucked.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:36:00 - [4] - Quote
Sees-Too-Much 332	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:41:00 - [5] - Quote This just in: diverse teams that take advantage of all tools at their disposal often beat teams that do not.
SkunkyUK Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:43:00 - [6] - Quote Sees-Too-Much wrote: This just in: diverse teams that take advantage of all tools at their disposal often beat teams that do not. What a clever remark
Novawolf McDustingham The514th Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:43:00 - [7] - Quote Tank drivers will be playing this game by themselves soon enough. Like Starhawk where the only people left playing are tank drivers, Hawk pilots, and people like being killed by tank drivers and hawk pilots.
Gus Miagi ZionTCD Legacy Rising 11	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:48:00 - [8] - Quote Being able to field a full team would be a start, first match 11 - 16, second match 2 - 16. wtf !
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:52:00 - [9] - Quote Tanks can't cap objectives. Boom.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:53:00 - [10] - Quote This is funny.

steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.08.31 20:54:00 - [11] - Quote 3 tanks in one match can BOOM. and their is not effectvie anti tank on foot at the moment so a diverse team would make no diff, and dropships are an out as they cant hover long enough to get a kill in
Sees-Too-Much 332	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:00:00 - [12] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: 3 tanks in one match can BOOM. and their is not effectvie anti tank on foot at the moment so a diverse team would make no diff, and dropships are an out as they cant hover long enough to get a kill in Huh. Turns out the militia swarms I've been killing Gunnlogis with are ineffective anti-tank equipment. Good to know. Also, it seems that wasn't a tank I killed with my dropship. Man, I'm learning a lot about myself today.
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:01:00 - [13] - Quote Gus Miagi wrote: Being able to field a full team would be a start, first match 11 - 16, second match 2 - 16. wtf ! :( option to pause till a full team? i know we went to whatevr the other team needed ragardless of rules. even dropped teamsize to balance.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:04:00 - [14] - Quote Sees-Too-Much wrote: This just in: diverse teams that take advantage of all tools at their disposal often beat teams that do not. This just in: teams that abuse the strongest aspects of a game often beat teams that do not. Aka, tank wars
Shiro Mokuzan 220	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:08:00 - [15] - Quote Is anyone specializing in AV? If I'd like to know what they think about how easy/hard tanks are to kill.
Novawolf McDustingham The514th Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:18:00 - [16] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: Is anyone specializing in AV? If I'd like to know what they think about how easy/hard tanks are to kill. I specialized in AV for two builds before the forge nerf and the AV nerf and they where a massive pain in the ass to kill. Even than I stood firm on keeping the tank untouched by the nerf bat. I have since changed my tune. i hope they all die in a fire... err, I mean get nerfed.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:18:00 - [17] - Quote Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote: Shiro Mokuzan wrote: Is anyone specializing in AV? If I'd like to know what they think about how easy/hard tanks are to kill. I specialized in AV for two builds before the forge nerf and the AV nerf and they where a massive pain in the ass to kill. Even than I stood firm on keeping the tank untouched by the nerf bat. I have since changed my tune. i hope they all die in a fire... err, I mean get nerfed. Co-signed.
Unit-775 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:24:00 - [18] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: Is anyone specializing in AV? If I'd like to know what they think about how easy/hard tanks are to kill. I used swarm Launchers last build, and right now they are not nearly as effective as last build. Missile Spread when you fire them ruins most of it, and add the fact the tracking logic on the missiles are worse. They try to hit the bottom of the target. In the E3 build, i did lock and fire straight up in the air, so the missiles did approache from above, this dosnt work as good as it was. But if you want to use them, its basically 2 points in Swarmlaunchers so you can get the AUR 6 missile one. Then fill you suit with as many Complex light damage mods as possible. Only start firing at a tank with a full magazin of swarms and carry a Nanohive with you. So there are not really many skillpoints involved. Tanks are harder to kill now because of this, but its still enough to send them running.
Encharrion L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 104	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:27:00 - [19] - Quote I think the tanks are fine as they are now, but the av weapons are so terrible, that the tanks don't have the counter that's supposed to keep them in balance.
NEGA LEAVESEY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:31:00 - [20] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: Is anyone specializing in AV? If I'd like to know what they think about how easy/hard tanks are to kill. I've specced AV and had no complaints re any vehicles before the AV nerf today. You couldn't expect to solo a tank but you had no qualms about trying to - Now you need slight S&M tendancies to do so. As it stands , even lame-o tank drivers are able to roll about with impunity. Considering most tanks fit 3 resist mods it seems bizarre to nerf 25% from AV damage. I can't begin to fathom why but hey, maybe some clarification will emerge soon enough. Sch'yeah Sweet spots on vehicles btw ? Personally tested this as best I could and saw absolutely no difference. I have managed to solo one M/L HAV today, but he had no support or turret buddies - A rare occurance unfortunately.

Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:33:00 - [21] - Quote I'm on tank protection strike. If I see a friendly tank in trouble I'm gonna sit back and watch it burn.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:35:00 - [22] - Quote Been saying it all along tanks need some major looking at. Also Beatings will continue.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:35:00 - [23] - Quote I might run over and T-bag the smoking wreck. Serious, I stuck up for tanks for a long time. The AV nerf and the tank drivers that welcome it really grind my gears.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:38:00 - [24] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Been saying it all along tanks need some major looking at. Also Beatings will continue. YOU YOU YYYYOOOOOOUUUUU!!! you called 3 of the kittens in lol, but yeh defo proved the point :P
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:40:00 - [25] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Been saying it all along tanks need some major looking at. Also Beatings will continue. YOU YOU YYYYOOOOOOUUUUU!!! you called 3 of the kittens in lol, but yeh defo proved the point :P Ow no sir the tanks had nothign to dow ith the winning lolz Edit: Called 5 in the end cos Clone 1 nicked the 4th one. Sneaky Amarr bugger will have to find him and kill him alot for that one.
Dr Skurlock SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 57	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:44:00 - [26] - Quote I've had quite a few tanks blown up to foot soldiers. It just seems to me that people seem to want a weapon that they can 1 or 2 shot a tank solo. That would completely nullify the very name "tank". If you want to kill a tank, organize and get it done whiners.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:48:00 - [27] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote: Shiro Mokuzan wrote: Is anyone specializing in AV? If I'd like to know what they think about how easy/hard tanks are to kill. I specialized in AV for two builds before the forge nerf and the AV nerf and they where a massive pain in the ass to kill. Even than I stood firm on keeping the tank untouched by the nerf bat. I have since changed my tune. i hope they all die in a fire... err, I mean get nerfed. Co-signed. Signed Walter talks about the new build
Drommy Hood Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 242	Posted - 2012.08.31 21:49:00 - [28] - Quote In the match I played there was 2 tanks on the other side. We only had 1. We dominated the whole match. All 3 points 95% of the time. Me and another guy with swarm launchers relegated the two tanks to hiding in the hills. Then one made a run for it and bumped into our tank as his shield boosters ran out and received swarms up the jacksie along with another tank shooting it and popped like a ripe spot. The other one just hid te whole time.
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2012.08.31 22:02:00 - [29] - Quote Eventually, you will see tanks that you could unload all 6-9 advanced swarms into and toss all of your proto grenades, but the tank will just keep on rolling. Trying to solo the expensive tanks (with a high sp driver) is fun, but nearly pointless unless the balance between av and assult ppl are switched to where you will see a majority of the players on a team using av weapons and just a couple using the AR. Or are atleast able to to switch to av at the first sign of a tank. Although, realistically, the best way to kill them is with an equal tank and some av backup support. Otherwise, you are just trying to fill a gap with av ppl. Yes, I agree that the av weapons are frustrating, but its what we currently got. Maybe new squad tactics will come around that can give them a run for their money.
Clone Number 1 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 77	Posted - 2012.08.31 22:03:00 - [30] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Been saying it all along tanks need some major looking at. Also Beatings will continue. YOU YOU YYYYOOOOOOUUUUU!!! you called 3 of the kittens in lol, but yeh defo proved the point :P Ow no sir the tanks had nothign to dow ith the winning lolz Edit: Called 5 in the end cos Clone 1 nicked the 4th one. Sneaky Amarr bugger will have to find him and kill him alot for that one. Just to be clear it was my character howdidthattaste. Still giggling about that hijiacking. I just can't seem to logon to the forums anymore with that name.. some bug.



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