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Kaeralli Sturmovos
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
117
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:47:00 -
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its all about the PTFO not camping somewhere behind a building or on the biggest mountain, the only contribution would be in ambush K/D is nothing. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.08.31 21:53:00 -
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carl von oppenheimer wrote:Well try sniping and see how little kills you get when you die constantly on counter sniping, sniping is fine what isn't fine is you whiny little bitches that who ran on the open begging to get shot.
I am telling you as someone who for whatever reason is more successful than most people with a sniper rifle that sniping is overpowered and needs to be nerfed. I expect any other snipers in the top 10 on the leaderboard would probably say the same. Sniping is nowhere near where it needs. |
Cpl Quartz
127
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Posted - 2012.08.31 21:58:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:carl von oppenheimer wrote:Well try sniping and see how little kills you get when you die constantly on counter sniping, sniping is fine what isn't fine is you whiny little bitches that who ran on the open begging to get shot. I am telling you as someone who for whatever reason is more successful than most people with a sniper rifle that sniping is overpowered and needs to be nerfed. I expect any other snipers in the top 10 on the leaderboard would probably say the same. Sniping is nowhere near where it needs.
wow, honesty. glad to meet you. i used to be able to disc jump then snipe before i landed. im old now tho.
edit mind you most good tribes people did.
i hate this engine. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:28:00 -
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I havnt seen one good sniper yet tbh
Pitching a tent up in the hillside doing **** all except taking potshots now n again |
Ludwig Van Beatdropin
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
195
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:49:00 -
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If your heading to take out a sniper this is what I would do, never run in a straight line, move, and sway left to right, and when your close enuff shoot him. They are most likely going to be croutching, either that or they run. Just a tip. |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:55:00 -
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i think if we get a kill steal for example and the person we sto;e the kill from was hurtwe should get sp...also logis get no love for rehealing |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:57:00 -
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Ludwig Van Beatdropin wrote:If your heading to take out a sniper this is what I would do, never run in a straight line, move, and sway left to right, and when your close enuff shoot him. They are most likely going to be croutching, either that or they run. Just a tip. i haul as when some1 gets to close and i know they are after me.unless they arent moving too bad...i always act like im not running to the sniper,i always flank them (flank to counter snipe)i love shotgun sniping people lol |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:58:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:I havnt seen one good sniper yet tbh
Pitching a tent up in the hillside doing **** all except taking potshots now n again i headhunt,takes 2 shots sometimes in the body |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:01:00 -
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Kaeralli Sturmovos wrote:its all about the PTFO not camping somewhere behind a building or on the biggest mountain, the only contribution would be in ambush K/D is nothing. taking out swarmers that are shooting at your teams tanks or dropships..so yea dont bash snipers saying they are only good on skirmish..i think if i see you with a tank ,i will the swarmer kill you and your tank |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:05:00 -
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Ludwig Van Beatdropin wrote:If your heading to take out a sniper this is what I would do, never run in a straight line, move, and sway left to right, and when your close enuff shoot him. They are most likely going to be croutching, either that or they run. Just a tip. If the sniper has a good position on you though the best thing to do may just to be avoid him for awhile until he is preoccupied, then comeback at your leisure and shoot him in the back. A sniper doesn't have to be crouched to hit you. |
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Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:08:00 -
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Noob Noobuler wrote:Kaeralli Sturmovos wrote:its all about the PTFO not camping somewhere behind a building or on the biggest mountain, the only contribution would be in ambush K/D is nothing. taking out swarmers that are shooting at your teams tanks or dropships..so yea dont bash snipers saying they are only good on skirmish..i think if i see you with a tank ,i will the swarmer kill you and your tank to be fair most snipers are useless, camping out in the mountains for 15 kills gets your team no where on skirmish, you might as well join everyone on the ground and start capping. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:11:00 -
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Snipers get the sp they've earned. Nuff SaidGäó |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
251
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:11:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Snipers do not need any appreciation. We do not put ourselves in any great risk. Why should we have any kind of significant rewards when you're just sitting around someplace partaking in a turkey shoot?
Oh yeah? Why are there so many red triangles on your screen? Whos dropping the uplinks behind enemy lines? Who's holding off 3+ guys in full proto with a rifle just so you can spawn safely? Who's sniping turret gunners and vehicle gunners so you can advance safely? That's me.
If you're camping in a mountain with a rifle, good for you. But I'm on the frontlines with my fellow logistics and Assaults fending off attackers or poppin' defenders in the face.
All about how you play the game, man. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:13:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Snipers do not need any appreciation. We do not put ourselves in any great risk. Why should we have any kind of significant rewards when you're just sitting around someplace partaking in a turkey shoot? Oh yeah? Why are there so many red triangles on your screen? Whos dropping the uplinks behind enemy lines? Who's holding off 3+ guys in full proto with a rifle just so you can spawn safely? Who's sniping turret gunners and vehicle gunners so you can advance safely? That's me. If you're camping in a mountain with a rifle, good for you. But I'm on the frontlines with my fellow logistics and Assaults fending off attackers or poppin' defenders in the face. All about how you play the game, man. +1 for classy sniper |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:18:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Snipers do not need any appreciation. We do not put ourselves in any great risk. Why should we have any kind of significant rewards when you're just sitting around someplace partaking in a turkey shoot? Oh yeah? Why are there so many red triangles on your screen? Whos dropping the uplinks behind enemy lines? Who's holding off 3+ guys in full proto with a rifle just so you can spawn safely? Who's sniping turret gunners and vehicle gunners so you can advance safely? That's me. If you're camping in a mountain with a rifle, good for you. But I'm on the frontlines with my fellow logistics and Assaults fending off attackers or poppin' defenders in the face. All about how you play the game, man.
You know good and well that what you are talking about doing is not what the majority here are talking about when they say "sniper." Generally, that term isn't used to describe just anyone with a sniper rifle equipped, but rather people who play hide and seek on the edges of the map, potshotting guys from long distance and obsessing over KDR. For the most part, that sort of play is pretty much useless in anything other than ambush... or, at the least, LESS effective than actually getting down into the fray and actually helping.
I mean, sure, if one of those snipers covers me at an objective and takes out a guy, great, that certainly helped... but what would have helped MORE is if the same guy was down AT the objective with me, covering me with an AR and actually helping to cap objectives, complete squad orders, dropping hives/uplinks, repairing, tossing grenades, etc rather than being stuck up in the hills only helping with a single aspect. |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:23:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:[quote=Fiasco Llana][quote=Fivetimes Infinity]Snip helped MORE is if the same guy was down AT the objective with me, covering me with an AR and actually helping to cap objectives, complete squad orders, dropping hives/uplinks, repairing, tossing grenades, etc rather than being stuck up in the hills only helping with a single aspect. when i snipe,i prefer solo |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:25:00 -
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Noob Noobuler wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Snip helped MORE is if the same guy was down AT the objective with me, covering me with an AR and actually helping to cap objectives, complete squad orders, dropping hives/uplinks, repairing, tossing grenades, etc rather than being stuck up in the hills only helping with a single aspect. when i snipe,i prefer solo
that's interesting, I didn't know there was a 1v1 mode on Dust. |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
251
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:26:00 -
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That's why the suit is called scout. Really they're behind enemy lines. There is no sniper suit. A real sniper is someone who hunts snipes. People who camp in mountains are not snipers, and really they aren't scouts. They're just... Marksmen? And even then they're only marksmen if they can actually hit something.
Hunting birds on this game wouldn't be fun, nor do I think their would be snipes on an uninhabitable planet. |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:31:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Noob Noobuler wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Snip helped MORE is if the same guy was down AT the objective with me, covering me with an AR and actually helping to cap objectives, complete squad orders, dropping hives/uplinks, repairing, tossing grenades, etc rather than being stuck up in the hills only helping with a single aspect. when i snipe,i prefer solo that's interesting, I didn't know there was a 1v1 mode on Dust. solo as in not being on a team or squad.u xan do thatya know |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:34:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:That's why the suit is called scout. Really they're behind enemy lines. There is no sniper suit. A real sniper is someone who hunts snipes. People who camp in mountains are not snipers, and really they aren't scouts. They're just... Marksmen? And even then they're only marksmen if they can actually hit something.
Hunting birds on this game wouldn't be fun, nor do I think their would be snipes on an uninhabitable planet. im not gonna lie,i find most snipers as easy targets bc they do not hide their signature(upgrade signature skill)and the orange/red dot sitting still is a easy kill bc i head hunt,sometimes i look at the map and look for random light ups |
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:35:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:But I'm on the frontlines with my fellow logistics and Assaults fending off attackers or poppin' defenders in the face.
All about how you play the game, man.
Cool. Anyway, this is a thread about snipers. |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
251
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:22:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:But I'm on the frontlines with my fellow logistics and Assaults fending off attackers or poppin' defenders in the face.
All about how you play the game, man. Cool. Anyway, this is a thread about snipers.
Cool. Anyway, look up the definition of a sniper. Actually, I'll do it for you.
The original meaning of the word "sniper" has been a long documented word dating back pre-19th century.
A sniper is one who kills the snipe or snipes, defined below.
a. Any of various long-billed shore birds of the genus Gallinago or Capella, related to the woodcocks and sandpipers, especially the common, widely distributed species G. gallinago or C. gallinago. b. Any of various similar or related birds.
The second is the more commonly used meaning, but not the correct usage of sniper.
A sniper is a highly trained marksman who operates in one- to two-man teams which maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engages targets from concealed positions or physical distances exceeding the detection capabilities of the enemy personnel, without being detected. These sniper teams operate independently, with little combat asset support from their parent units. Snipers typically have highly selective and specialized training and use high-precision rifles and optics, and often have sophisticated communication assets to feed valuable combat information back to their units. In addition to marksmanship, military snipers are trained in camouflage, field craft, infiltration, reconnaissance and observation. Snipers are especially effective when deployed within the terrain of urban warfare, or jungle warfare.
This is different from what we have in game, which is the Scout.
1. To spy on or explore carefully in order to obtain information; reconnoiter.
Even this is wrongly named. What the Scout drop suit should actually be called is a:
Infantry Scout: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/a/infantryscout.htm
You would think that it would be a:
Scout Sniper. (MOS 0317, formerly 8541) is a secondary MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) designator of U.S. Marine Corps infantrymen and reconnaissance Marines that have successfully graduated from a USMC Scout Sniper School. Scout Snipers provide close reconnaissance and surveillance to the infantry battalion. By doctrine, a Scout Sniper is a Marine highly skilled in field craft and marksmanship who delivers long range precision fire on selected targets from concealed positions in support of combat operations. These soldiers ARE recon, but their primary focus is being a marksman. From beyond a range of the maps in DUST 514 are currently.
So the scout drop suit is falsely named and should be an: Infantry Scout. Because we have a shorter range than a Sniper and a Scout Sniper. At least until the maps get bigger. There is no Sniper class in this game. OP is crazy as hell. |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
251
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:23:00 -
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You know... If you want to get technical about it. |
Stile451
Red Star.
76
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:43:00 -
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If you are sniping without doing anything else then you don't deserve a lot of SP. You don't need the extra SP in order to keep your damage high enough to take out nearly any enemy.
I used to lone wolf snipe out in the hills for a few kills a match. It's much more rewarding(literally and figuratively) if you move in closer to the fighting using a tactical sniper, hacking and dropping nanohives for allies. Sure you will die a few times but you get at least double the SP. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:45:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:You know... If you want to get technical about it.
When we talk about snipers we're referring to people who are sitting somewhere shooting people with a sniper rifle. It's great that you took all that time to write that post up, but that's not relevant to this thread. If you're dropping uplinks all over the place and otherwise "on the frontlines with my fellow logistics and assaults" then that's not what this thread is about. Although if you think assault or logistics roles aren't being adequately rewarded you're certainly welcome to make your own thread about it. |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
251
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:50:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:You know... If you want to get technical about it. When we talk about snipers we're referring to people who are sitting somewhere shooting people with a sniper rifle. It's great that you took all that time to write that post up, but that's not relevant to this thread. If you're dropping uplinks all over the place and otherwise "on the frontlines with my fellow logistics and assaults" then that's not what this thread is about. Although if you think assault or logistics roles aren't being adequately rewarded you're certainly welcome to make your own thread about it.
What you're talking about is shooting a long billed bird. Now unless I am sadly mistaken, there are no freakin' birds in the game. It's not a sniper rifle. It's a railgun. Again, you are right. Apparently this thread is about killing snipes, but I haven't seen the bird mentioned once. Did I say assault or logistics roles aren't being adequately rewarded?
So if this thread is about snipers, it has been massively derailed and exploded by a nuke.
Drugs are bad, kids.
Mods, lock please? |
CacheMonet
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
19
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:53:00 -
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Sees-Too-Much wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Sees-Too-Much wrote:Only 18k SP!? I'm a logi, I lay drop uplinks and nanohives that turn the tide of battles. You sometimes keep teammates from dying? I actually bring them back from death.
On a good day I get 10k SP per match. Dude, i am a logi and i get between 18k and 25k. You are doing something wrong, are you reviving people? It's super inconsistent, and it seems to be going up a bit. I played last night and was getting 20k+ every match. The hard part of logi is that your warpoints are heavily dependent on how much teamwork you get out of your allies. If you have a team of snipers and lonewolves you'll never get to rep, revive, or resupply and everyone will pick the default random spawns over your uplinks. By contrast, on maps where my team is showing some semblance of coherence my drop uplinks get used consistently, there's almost always someone in my nanohives, and since people are staying close by I can be there to revive them right away. I've pulled in 50k in a match and I only got, like, three kills. agreed.. that's what I do in my Logi setups... lay down drop links.. follow a group of people.. when a firefight breaks out, drop a nanohive and work the repair tool keeping the heavies on their feet... |
Noob Noobuler
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:58:00 -
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CacheMonet wrote:Sees-Too-Much wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Sees-Too-Much wrote:Only 18k SP!? I'm a logi, I lay drop uplinks and nanohives that turn the tide of battles. You sometimes keep teammates from dying? I actually bring them back from death.
On a good day I get 10k SP per match. Dude, i am a logi and i get between 18k and 25k. You are doing something wrong, are you reviving people? It's super inconsistent, and it seems to be going up a bit. I played last night and was getting 20k+ every match. The hard part of logi is that your warpoints are heavily dependent on how much teamwork you get out of your allies. If you have a team of snipers and lonewolves you'll never get to rep, revive, or resupply and everyone will pick the default random spawns over your uplinks. By contrast, on maps where my team is showing some semblance of coherence my drop uplinks get used consistently, there's almost always someone in my nanohives, and since people are staying close by I can be there to revive them right away. I've pulled in 50k in a match and I only got, like, three kills. agreed.. that's what I do in my Logi setups... lay down drop links.. follow a group of people.. when a firefight breaks out, drop a nanohive and work the repair tool keeping the heavies on their feet... heavies get ganged up on alot but can do dmg and alot more just no logi to assist |
Khortez D
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:59:00 -
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i always thought anything above 9k SP was pretty good, but snipers imo can do some good.
and they do have some competition, IE fighting other snipers and other people when spotted. they may not be out there with a duvolle AR but they can do some damage/help |
DrunkardBastards
Inebriated Liberation Front
23
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Posted - 2012.09.29 03:02:00 -
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Snipers take out targets of opportunity, not relevance.
-- drunk as usual. |
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