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Seran Jinkar
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.30 09:23:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Seran Jinkar wrote:carl von oppenheimer wrote:I've got 35K by kill whoring with a rail gun turret installation for the entire match while blowing up all the structures I could with that turret, I also gunned down a drop ship, a tank and a few LAV's in the process. Thank you for abusing a broken mechanic :) Let's all do it so we can get rid of them before launch. ITs not a broken machanic. People just dont destroy them...
They are almost not destroyable by anything except tanks or RE as:
SL tend to aim for the bottom and almost never hit them except dumbfired from close range.
They can aim at angles where the barrel clips through the structure vertices. (So you aren't safe anywhere even right at the red bubble.)
They have infinite range and a safe seat for the gunner. (so no sniping or sneaking behind them) |
Alamo Taylor
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.08.30 09:32:00 -
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i don't get how you guys get so much sp, what the hell am doing wrong, i be hacking ****, protecting my teammates and still i get low sp, all i get is a lot of cash, i think my character is bugged |
Timothy Reaper
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
321
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Posted - 2012.08.30 09:36:00 -
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Squad leader commands. Use/follow them. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
197
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Posted - 2012.08.30 09:39:00 -
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Seran Jinkar wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Seran Jinkar wrote:carl von oppenheimer wrote:I've got 35K by kill whoring with a rail gun turret installation for the entire match while blowing up all the structures I could with that turret, I also gunned down a drop ship, a tank and a few LAV's in the process. Thank you for abusing a broken mechanic :) Let's all do it so we can get rid of them before launch. ITs not a broken machanic. People just dont destroy them... They are almost not destroyable by anything except tanks or RE as: SL tend to aim for the bottom and almost never hit them except dumbfired from close range. They can aim at angles where the barrel clips through the structure vertices. (So you aren't safe anywhere even right at the red bubble.) They have infinite range and a safe seat for the gunner. (so no sniping or sneaking behind them)
SL's can take out "most" from a decent range (hitting the bottom, is still the main problem for the rest)
Other AT weapons can have a field day (theyre basically LAV's that cant run or move )
the moving through themselfs is a bug |
Seran Jinkar
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2012.08.30 09:51:00 -
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Okay a partly broken mechanic :) Still I deem it wrong to brag with the scores you get with them. |
carl von oppenheimer
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:45:00 -
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Well he asked how to get good scores and I haven't had better since.
Just being near commander seems to gives you good points, you also get +25 points from completing squad leaders objective. That's +25 for each hack for instance I've also noticed that sniping people near objectives or while doing hacking seems to give better scores in the end.
Also from watching several youtube dust videos, getting +11 kills seems to guarantee + 20k SP almost every time. |
Alamo Taylor
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:54:00 -
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11 kills gets me around 14k sp |
Sees-Too-Much
332
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Posted - 2012.08.30 15:37:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Sees-Too-Much wrote:Only 18k SP!? I'm a logi, I lay drop uplinks and nanohives that turn the tide of battles. You sometimes keep teammates from dying? I actually bring them back from death.
On a good day I get 10k SP per match. Dude, i am a logi and i get between 18k and 25k. You are doing something wrong, are you reviving people? It's super inconsistent, and it seems to be going up a bit. I played last night and was getting 20k+ every match.
The hard part of logi is that your warpoints are heavily dependent on how much teamwork you get out of your allies. If you have a team of snipers and lonewolves you'll never get to rep, revive, or resupply and everyone will pick the default random spawns over your uplinks.
By contrast, on maps where my team is showing some semblance of coherence my drop uplinks get used consistently, there's almost always someone in my nanohives, and since people are staying close by I can be there to revive them right away. I've pulled in 50k in a match and I only got, like, three kills. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1903
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Posted - 2012.08.30 15:40:00 -
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843-Bob365421 EV wrote:I ride tanks and get 50,000 on avreage 150,000 on a good day. Tanks FTW
Tanks are so broken. Not to mention the 200k + ISK in a match....man...I'm really starting to dislike this build. |
WiZdomTooTh
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.08.30 15:59:00 -
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Alamo Taylor wrote:I always come out in first place with the most kills and i get little contribution wtf? cas of me my team is wining, us snipers need more appreciation Because you're sniping. |
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OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:04:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:just got 126k Sp with pure sniper on ambush.
P.S. you don't have to sit there hack the uplinks then find a spot to guard one at two at least.
wth, I thought gains like this were stopped? |
Machiavei
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:08:00 -
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These snipers talking about low SP; aren't snipers. COUNTER sniping is where the SP is. Moving around, quickscoping, and being in the middle of the fray like everyone else. THAT's where the fun and SP is. Sitting on a mountain taking free potshot kills? Does nothing, really, for the team. |
Ghost Effect II
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:01:00 -
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I will admit that sp for the snipers is a bit low. On average I get 10-30k sp each game and I'm usually the one with the most kills. I'm a sniper my self but I just don't wait for that one good shot to get my kill. I do 3 things at once, I snipe the ones shooting at my squad , I counter snipe, and I help defend control points. I get a lot of one shot kills, and it does help and contribute to the team winning. Although I am killed easily due to little to no defense, I help out my team wether they know it or not. I am a "camper" as some have called snipers, but I do move around if I feel my position is compomized in any fashion. During ambush maps, I use my assault suit to drop a spawn point then I get back to my usual sniping. For all the people saying sniper rifles and scout suits are overpowered, you all need to stop bitching and whining about the things that your not doing. Every suit has its own characteristics and same as the weapons. Sniper rifles are supposed to hit hard but have a slow rof, so why keep bitching about it? If you want this game to be like cod or mag, then go play those games. If you suck at one role, don't say that it's over powered and say it needs nerfed just because you suck at it and want others to conform to help YOU win or get more kills. Learn the roles of each suit before you complain about them. |
Raynor Ragna
266
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:10:00 -
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It's impressive that people think snipers don't help in a match. If your team has no snipers while the other team does, you'll be less likely to even get to objectives. Snipers take out other snipers, they take out enemies, and they'll kill your attackers when possible. They alone won't win a match but without them you'll be far less likely to win either. They are part of the team.
I am a little miffed that tanks get crazy SP. Their SP should be cut when killing people, but get better SP when killing structures and other vehicles. Even gaurding objectives. Dropship pilots get the shaft though. They dont get SP when people spawn to them, they don't have a way of getting kills. They get a fraction of the SP for their gunners kills. They don't get SP when allowing mates to drop behind enemy lines or even right next to an objective. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:19:00 -
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It's fine how it is as playing only for kills is what snipers do while everyone else actually works |
Alamo Taylor
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:22:00 -
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Riding a tank and blasting people ain't hard work either buddy |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:28:00 -
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Ghost Effect II wrote:I will admit that sp for the snipers is a bit low. On average I get 10-30k sp each game and I'm usually the one with the most kills. I'm a sniper my self but I just don't wait for that one good shot to get my kill. I do 3 things at once, I snipe the ones shooting at my squad , I counter snipe, and I help defend control points. I get a lot of one shot kills, and it does help and contribute to the team winning. Although I am killed easily due to little to no defense, I help out my team wether they know it or not. I am a "camper" as some have called snipers, but I do move around if I feel my position is compomized in any fashion. During ambush maps, I use my assault suit to drop a spawn point then I get back to my usual sniping. For all the people saying sniper rifles and scout suits are overpowered, you all need to stop bitching and whining about the things that your not doing. Every suit has its own characteristics and same as the weapons. Sniper rifles are supposed to hit hard but have a slow rof, so why keep bitching about it? If you want this game to be like cod or mag, then go play those games. If you suck at one role, don't say that it's over powered and say it needs nerfed just because you suck at it and want others to conform to help YOU win or get more kills. Learn the roles of each suit before you complain about them.
I call bs on the scout comment, i just got flanked as a scout and out of at least half a mag he only actually hit me twice and that was before i even tried to fight back |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:31:00 -
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Alamo Taylor wrote:Riding a tank and blasting people ain't hard work either buddy
Quick question. Where do you idiots learn if i drive a hav or not? I spec lavs and AV for the 20 + time |
Ghost Effect II
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:36:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I call bs on the scout comment, i just got flanked as a scout and out of at least half a mag he only actually hit me twice and that was before i even tried to fight back
I'm not meaning if you sneeze on us we die. I'm saying compared to every other suit we are more fragile with the low HP that the scouts have. We do have a small hit radius so getting hit is harder, but that is due to our small suit size. Going toe to toe with another class, our only defense is our speed and agility. |
FrozenDefender II
1st STAR SYSTEMS INC.
10
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:43:00 -
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But the sp / isk system is ********, so nothing impossible
i have no idea on what basis it gives you those bonuses but it has nothing to do with logic or anything, as i made 15k sp and 120k isk just running around in base for 15min, and get 2.5k sp and 10k isk for being the MVP in a game using alot of different kits and hacking things and stealing jeeps and tank. i seriously have no idea how does it actually calculate thhe ammount of stuff, and also you can find a suruya as loot, not being able to sell it, so that kinda does NOT make it up, atleast yet. but the sp count is too low and i'd like the skill system be same as in eve for example 256k sp for 1x skill and 2x to be 512k and so on. |
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STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:44:00 -
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Ghost Effect II wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I call bs on the scout comment, i just got flanked as a scout and out of at least half a mag he only actually hit me twice and that was before i even tried to fight back I'm not meaning if you sneeze on us we die. I'm saying compared to every other suit we are more fragile with the low HP that the scouts have. We do have a small hit radius so getting hit is harder, but that is due to our small suit size. Going toe to toe with another class, our only defense is our speed and agility.
I know that but the speed glitches the hitbox to nigh invulnerability |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:57:00 -
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FrozenDefender II wrote:But the sp / isk system is ********, so nothing impossible
i have no idea on what basis it gives you those bonuses but it has nothing to do with logic or anything, as i made 15k sp and 120k isk just running around in base for 15min, and get 2.5k sp and 10k isk for being the MVP in a game using alot of different kits and hacking things and stealing jeeps and tank. i seriously have no idea how does it actually calculate thhe ammount of stuff, and also you can find a suruya as loot, not being able to sell it, so that kinda does NOT make it up, atleast yet. but the sp count is too low and i'd like the skill system be same as in eve for example 256k sp for 1x skill and 2x to be 512k and so on.
There are tons of variables involved in determining your SP and ISK: the gear you used, the gear your victims were using, the SP of everyone involved, how well you did in comparison to your teammates, how many matches you've played in a 24 hour period*, etc.
* I believe this only applies to SP, so the amount of ISK you earn never gets anti-grinding degradation. |
Shiro Mokuzan
220
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Posted - 2012.08.31 02:05:00 -
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If you just sit on a mountain and don't help your team actually win the battle, you should get low SP. Sounds like it's working as intended. |
DTsoy Smith
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.08.31 02:18:00 -
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Jesus christ, the last thing we need is ENCOURAGEMENT for more snipers. |
Pezz IsDank
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
171
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Posted - 2012.08.31 02:29:00 -
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Ghost Effect II wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:I call bs on the scout comment, i just got flanked as a scout and out of at least half a mag he only actually hit me twice and that was before i even tried to fight back I'm not meaning if you sneeze on us we die. I'm saying compared to every other suit we are more fragile with the low HP that the scouts have. We do have a small hit radius so getting hit is harder, but that is due to our small suit size. Going toe to toe with another class, our only defense is our speed and agility.
Scouts that know how to strafe are amazingly difficult to kill. I'd almost rather go against heavies that have HMG and are within close proximity than a scout w/ crazy high movement speed that knows how to strafe. Sure, they can be killed in fewer shots, if you can get your bullets that hit to actually count and keep your aim on them. I'd honestly rather that than my assault suit, but I like having the option to carry more stuff, mainly for AV purposes. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.08.31 02:35:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:just got 126k Sp with pure sniper on ambush.
P.S. you don't have to sit there hack the uplinks then find a spot to guard one at two at least. wth, I thought gains like this were stopped?
No they haven't but this was right at the reset of the diminishing SP return which does do a lot to slow the grind, I know guys that can get alot more than that. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:23:00 -
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DTsoy Smith wrote:Jesus christ, the last thing we need is ENCOURAGEMENT for more snipers.
I feel pretty confident sniping will be nerfed in the future. Everyone in the top KDR is either a sniper, a tank person, or abusing scout suits. Maybe Ludwig is the exception, although I only saw him in a game one time. He was nonetheless in an assault suit.
Either way, sniping is super easy, super safe, super powerful. In a game like Dust, with big, open areas, it behooves CCP to err on the side of snipers being underpowered. After all, overpowered snipers (as they are currently) makes the game suck more for everyone. Underpowered snipers only makes the game suck for some snipers. |
carl von oppenheimer
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.08.31 09:25:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:DTsoy Smith wrote:Jesus christ, the last thing we need is ENCOURAGEMENT for more snipers. I feel pretty confident sniping will be nerfed in the future. Everyone in the top KDR is either a sniper, a tank person, or abusing scout suits. Maybe Ludwig is the exception, although I only saw him in a game one time. He was nonetheless in an assault suit. Either way, sniping is super easy, super safe, super powerful. In a game like Dust, with big, open areas, it behooves CCP to err on the side of snipers being underpowered. After all, overpowered snipers (as they are currently) makes the game suck more for everyone. Underpowered snipers only makes the game suck for some snipers.
Well try sniping and see how little kills you get when you die constantly on counter sniping, sniping is fine what isn't fine is you whiny little bitches that who ran on the open begging to get shot. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
197
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Posted - 2012.08.31 10:11:00 -
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I personally havent found snipers to be much of a problem. If theyre sitting on a mountain somewhere they rarely if ever 1 shot, in which case my shield/armour regenerates. If theyre mid-close range then theyre suseptable to counter attack. Its only when used in conjuction with others that they really shine.
I have accuracy problems (not sure if its because im not used to PS's or what?) so i trained up as a heavy and its all happy days. |
RankRancid
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
51
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Posted - 2012.08.31 12:38:00 -
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I have no problem getting SP,my warpoints are high compared to my kills though.
A couple of snipers I can think of from last build are flux,bad furry and gem cutter. When I times their kills by 75,their warpoints totals are massive compared to total kills. Clearly there are snipers that know how to hack.
You are the fastest suit on the field. At the start of every game run and hack as many objectives as you can. If you open your suit in the warbarge, you can nearly guarantee the first 2 hacks in any siege except the 3 map ones at the start of every game. if you are in a true snipers perch you can see half the battle ground easy. When the whole tide is against your team and they are about to get red lined,flank and capture a back base.
You can't be sniping without a nano hive. Buy the one that allows 3 to be deployed. 2 for 2 different sniper nests and 1 to throw for that heavy with the swarm or mini gun. Profit from team supply. Hell even throw them at the supply units and steal points.
These are easy and simple ways to get SP while sniping and without being useless. |
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