well at the moment people in eve don't really own planets, they own the system that the planets are in.

the way we make isk is by building factories on these planets and this can make up to a billion a month depending on how active you are.

to place these factories in 0,0 you need to own the system, or if no one owns it then you can put down your factories.

also to make things more complicated you have to export your stuff you made via a customer office, and players can own these and set the tax rates so its best to own these. ( these can only be owned in 0,0 and low sec for the moment)

I'm guessing 20bil or more, it's a micro managing nightmare that few take pleasure in..

EVE currency =/= Dust currency.

A planet yield depends mostly on sec status hence 0.0 is best producing basic raw materials and high sec is best suited for producing limited quantity items where taxes don't margin your profits.

So we take an example of making 5x mechanical parts and 5x consumer electronics per cycle:

Noble metals9000
Heavy metals6000
Base metals6000
Non cs crystals3000
Noble gas3000
Ionic solutions3000
aquenous liquids3000

Precious metals60
Toxic metals40
oxygen20
reactive metals40
electrolytes20
water20
chiral structures20

Mechanical parts5
Consumer electronics5

These will give you 3x robotics per cycle in the end.
Time per tier is:
T2 T3 T4
time min/ units280min/13340060min/4060min/1060min/3

That makes it some 3-4 hours to get your first patch of 3 robotics no this planet example I'm using which is an actual planet that I slapped in exel.
Naturally having materials ready reduces the initial start up time.

So with this we can estimate how much your planet will make you in the market:
With the simple assumption of one robotic per hour and the price from jitonomic which is around 50 000 isk per unit:

So 50 000 isk x 30*24 = 36 mil per month assuming you would have only one factory making robotics but since any serious with PI has several factory planets you can easily get 20 of those factories with the limit being how much you care to haul materials and baby sit your planet yields.
You can also drop the extracting and buy stuff from the market but often (as in most MMO's) the actual end product is cheaper then materials you (bought and) made it from which obviously happens because:
YOU IMBECILES DON'T KNOW HOW TO COUNT AND THINK THAT BECAUSE I EXTRACTED / MINED IT, IT'S FREE OF CHARGE.

and next time ask something simpler ?

uhh....

Basically what i've been told is planets can dump out 100-500mil isk a month, so basically one planet being defended could be used to hold up a entire team wasting tanks and all that stuff.

Average pay of an eve player is about 4.5 million isk an hour give or take. There are plenty of smarter players who can break that point though.

Market prices IRL works roughly like this: Sale price = projected profits over 20 years.

There you go, back to work for me..

Edit: The work for EVE/Dust is to figure out what an appropriate conversion for the IRL 20 years is. 3 months? Half a year?

could be interesting to see how much ISK you need to spend to hire a 16 man team (max players at the moment) cause if you expect lets say after the match each merc gets around 100.000ISK multiplied with 16 makes 1.6 million ISK just to control 1 facility. And i dont think you control all of them by just 1 skirmish match. i heard 1 planet has around 12 skirmish maps so 1.6 million multiplied with 12= 19.2 million ISK. And thats not counting in the costs for defending. I think better players/corps will demand a higher payout to defend or attack.

Maybe at current prices, Yes... but Dust prices will NOT stay at their current price point once the market interaction is in.

I for one will make sure of it. I make my Isk market trading and i intend to do the same thing here in dust as i do in EVE.

I'm guessing 20bil or more, it's a micro managing nightmare that few take pleasure in..

So is the idea to phase out buying gear from the game itself in favor of player created stuff, because otherwise why would anyone pay more than the market price for a weapon? Or are you just planning on obtaining and reselling rare gear/BPOs for profit?

I was fairly poor in eve, I would use 20mil isk frigates on suicide roams to see if we could kill something. kdr of around .02. Ships were cheap so didn't care about death, extra 40mil or so if I was podded(skill implants in head were lost if escape pod is killed).

I had 80 million isk ships blowup few time in evening of playing, still made profit with casual gaming. The isk will flow few dozen ways, but traders will try to undercut each other, so prices won't get that out of wack for most items. I suspect proto gear won't be made directly by players, resold from drops, so it will remain expensive as it's bid up in market.

I never did PI, but can't multiple people have interactions on a single planet? I mean, 10 people bringing in 100m a month means a billion isk for the corp overall.

On average the set up to make those robotics would be some 30mil per planet which although an investment is such a small cost in the over all picture that it's going to be hard not to just simply change your facilities to somewhere else and keep on producing.
That's the main issue with PI and always has, too cheap, too expendable and just too damn convenient to abandon your facilities on a planet once you don't need them any more.

YOU IMBECILES DON'T KNOW HOW TO COUNT AND THINK THAT BECAUSE I EXTRACTED / MINED IT, IT'S FREE OF CHARGE.?...


Typical pubbie train of thought. I hate that way of thinking, it's such a false economy.


You know Dust is going to be the biggest ISK sink in EVE.... It's going to kill or cure our economic issues.

Game design thanks you for introducing the best ISK sink yet into EVE.

Thanks carl that clears up eaxactly the question I had asked.. and it was great playing with you BTW i hope you will squad with me again soon although at times i could not always understand your accent but mine is somewhat hard to understand for some also.. peace brother.

uhh....

Basically what i've been told is planets can dump out 100-500mil isk a month, so basically one planet being defended could be used to hold up a entire team wasting tanks and all that stuff.

presumably to fund the CONCORD's toilet paper bill or something.

It would be interesting if PI was the major thing to fight over... It would mean less ppl would do it and the ppl that did would have to account for the defense prices in thier costs, so all of the PI stuff and anything that uses it would go up in cost. That includes tech 2, capitals, structures, and fuel.... probably tech 3 also, but Ive never looked at their manufacturing list.

So I currently have a stock pile of PI stuff that is worth about a billion. If I hold onto it long enough, then it could be worth 5x that much.