EVE players who quote Sun-Tzu are ridiculed for being lame carebears trying to come off as tactical geniuses.

EVE players who quote Sun-Tzu are ridiculed for being lame carebears trying to come off as tactical geniuses.

Oh I'm sorry, einstein.. It appears you have the wrong forums.. These are the DUST514 Beta forums.. The EVE forums are that way ---->

Idiot.

Found the eve forums pretty much the same. But your gonna get a lot of this I'm afraid as generally the people playing the game are people who specifically wanted in on the beta and are passionate about it.

Gotta say, haven't played for 2/3 weeks, but loving the update. Got a 12/2 match a moment ago, in Milita Gear!

the beta has only been up for 3 weeks?

Sun Tzu doesnt apply in dust 514 atm either. Qualative Quantity trumps everything.

And all that "Qualative Quantity" will be crushed before your very eyes once friendly fire is enabled by CCP and corporations can spy on each other and cause all sorts of damage from within.

In Eve Online, there use to be a very powerful alliance known as Band of Brothers (BoB). They controlled almost everything from key regions that affected the high-sec markets to political power plays in the way corps were managed and enemies negotiated with.

Until an obscure alliance known as Goonswarm (GS) came along. Over the months or years their spy network infiltrated BoB via a disgruntled director who didn't like how things were in BoB. The, one day, without firing a single shot, BoB was disbanded. Their assets stolen, territory left wide open for opposing forces to seize and their political power grip was taken away from them. Many players from around BoB wanted CCP to undo the damage because they felt that no one person should have that much of an impact.

But CCP left it alone saying that "no rules were broken" and that BoB is the one at fault for not being careful enough to check which director should have which powers and authorities.

My point here is that there are two kinds of battles to be fought in every battle. That on the ground (as you pointed out) and that in the corporate room (which I pointed out). Master the corporate room and the ground war and you will be dangerous beyond measure.

Where the hell did you get that idea, Kengfa?

Maken Tosh if you have spies and friendly incidents then you no longer have Qualitive Quantity, but rather just Quantity.

A well discplined army with proper edicate and procedures and compartmetanlziation a strong industiral back bone and a very supportive navy will still trump anyone else.

Well, he says he hasn't played for 2/3. Which would be 2 out of 3 weeks.

You just supported my point.

Title says it all. These forums are like 1000x worse than mag forums ever were. We might actually start seeing some improvement if everyone here wasn't so busy smack talking each other and started giving solid input without trolling each other. I had high hopes for this game, and got very excited when i got my beta code the first round of releases, but if this community can't settle down and agree that there are fixes that need to be made and stop bad mouthing one another for whatever reasons, i am very afraid dust is gonna flop.

I just hope CCP isn't taking notes from either side, because both seem to be out to ruin this game, whether they know it or not. This game is not perfect as it is, and the excuse of "its just a beta" isn't valid anymore. If the game remains how it is now, it will turn into the same 60 people fighting each other because the mass majority will play for a week and leave(especially if this whole "its just a beta" mentality keeps going and nothing ever gets fixed.

It wasn't my intention to hurt your feelings, I'll try to be more considerate in the future and avoid uncomfortable topics.

Well, you are certainly trying to help it seems, but can I point out one thing?

It IS still beta - I don't know who decided you are the one determining if this is beta or not but... the game is far from complete if you have any clue how advanced the EvE universe is AND there are plenty of trash talkers, but how is that different than in any other game - really.

#1 the devs are good at their job sifting through the crap
#2 people love to trash talk, but I highly doubt that affects CCP's direction - they tend to listen to the real feedback

sorry to come off rude if I am but you really need to not be so pompous - most of this community is not trying to RUIN the game friend. Most of us are actually trying to help them. Yes, there are trolls and inconsiderate people playing, but most of us are not and I am extremely off put by your assumptions.

EDIT: PS - plenty has been fixed over the weeks and months - patience and constructive help has made this game get better and I think that CCP and the real beta testers would agree

Sun Tzu doesnt apply in dust 514 atm either. Qualative Quantity trumps everything.

I think the problem is that you are all poor and angry about how poor you are so you all go on the forums and breathe your poor germs on everyone.