i dont think anyone is asking scouts to be nerfed outright, just for hit detection to be fixed

fixing hit detection would be a nerf in and of itself

>thier high stafing speed paired with a person leading his target to hit it cause people to miss when they are shooting a strafing scout.

>their lightning fast movements and agility nean they move faster than are gun can track or are brains can keep up

Hmm scouts are thin, lightweight, fast units designed to speed tank....yeah they're working as intended. If you want to do some very minor tweaking that's fine, but scouts are very close to where they should be, in fact all the suits feel like they're around where they should be.

The problem lies within hit detection, which is obviously an ongoing work in progress. So stop complaining about scouts, they're not broken, the hit detection is. As someone stated before, a fix to that is enough of a nerf to the scout suit

Also after rereading the op it seems as if you want all classes to be barely different. Heavies dont need love, they have more armor. Its a balance, pros and cons. Maybe you want gta multiplayer, all the players in that have the same turn speed.

Hmm scouts are thin, lightweight, fast units designed to speed tank....yeah they're working as intended. If you want to do some very minor tweaking that's fine, but scouts are very close to where they should be, in fact all the suits feel like they're around where they should be.

The problem lies within hit detection, which is obviously an ongoing work in progress. So stop complaining about scouts, they're not broken, the hit detection is. As someone stated before, a fix to that is enough of a nerf to the scout suit

>their lightning fast movements and agility nean they move faster than are gun can track or are brains can keep up

Am I the only one who noticed this? Emphasis mine.

The only reason I bring this up is to highlight the quality of individual commenting on reducing the scout class down. If anything, this should serve as a clear warning to not pander to the mass opinion.

Am I the only one who noticed this? Emphasis mine.

The only reason I bring this up is to highlight the quality of individual commenting on reducing the scout class down. If anything, this should serve as a clear warning to not pander to the mass opinion.

Am I the only one who noticed this? Emphasis mine.

The only reason I bring this up is to highlight the quality of individual commenting on reducing the scout class down. If anything, this should serve as a clear warning to not pander to the mass opinion.

A bunch of us have mentioned the prob with scouts plenty of times. (both in this thread and many others)

The prob is not with the speed of the scout, it's with the hit detection. The ideal solution would be to fix the "now improved, but still flawed" hit detection. This will make the scout mortal in cqc, at least to those with decent aim. As it stand right now, a scout can LITERALLY run THROUGH a stream of bullets, and nothing will register.

This would be better than nerfing the speed because
a. it still doesn't fix the flawed hit detection
b. will likely ruin the scout completely, because of the low hp scouts have. They will lose their ONE advantage and become COMPLETELY useless.

He presented a valid argument in his OP, insulting one line of it because of the spelling is not a valid counter argument I would think. So, with that I think he won the argument over you, if you think he is wrong why don't you actualy give some input on why.

Here's something I said in a similar thread, what the OP said about pauses while strafing reminded me -

"If there was proper inertia on player movement then twitch strafing might not be such a problem, because when suddenly trying to go in the opposite direction the player would virtually stop for a split second, giving you a chance to get a few decent shots in.

Obviously scouts would still be less affected by this than other classes, but it might be enough to lessen their CQC advantage a bit and keep them moving straight around their opponent and moving from cover to cover, like they should be.

BTW it's not just scouts that are capable of twitch-strafing, all the suits (apart from heavies probably) can move side-to-side erratically to avoid bullets, I've done it with a type-1 logi."

No suit should strafe faster than a suit can track.

my scout gets 1 shotted by a scrambler pistol , you guys want to nerf scouts . lol
exactly how many of you guys that wanna nerf scouts have actually played as a scout. seriously go try scout and shotgun, yeah there deadly but they have to flank to be deadly. alot of people in dust bunch up together, making it extremely difficult for a cqc scout to be effective. there speed (ability to dodge a few bullets) and shield regen is all that keeps them alive .

Isn't that kind of the idea behind speed tanking?

There is a weird hit detection glitch. Fixing this glitch could solve issue.

I have shot scout 3 times with charge rifle, seen the blue shield flash, no damage. I moved about 10m to right and first shoot killed him. Another time I get behind scout with shotgun, fire point blank couple time for no damage, switch to smg that works normal and shotgun worked on other suits. Had this happen with an assault once, seen it many times with scout. Most of time hit detection is fine, have to lead a lot even with shotgun at close range.

A faster turning skill could be added, also a faster move skill, both would be popular with heavies I bet. Skill could only raise straight line speed, second tier for strafing. This would give a skill for anti-scout(and general use for heavy weapons), that can be countered by an even higher skill investment to go back to start. maybe x2 for turning and speed skill, x3-4 for strafing skill, -5% per level for all. This would give heavy/assault counter and option of anti-scout specialist. Run and gun scouts would be an advanced specialty with a lot to train.

A module that allowed faster turning. base speed and strafe speed modules would be nice too.

my scout gets 1 shotted by a scrambler pistol , you guys want to nerf scouts . lol
exactly how many of you guys that wanna nerf scouts have actually played as a scout. seriously go try scout and shotgun, yeah there deadly but they have to flank to be deadly. alot of people in dust bunch up together, making it extremely difficult for a cqc scout to be effective. there speed (ability to dodge a few bullets) and shield regen is all that keeps them alive .

Isn't that kind of the idea behind speed tanking?

In Eve sure. When they introduce auto-target with TEs and TCs using tracking scripts then I will happily concede your point. Since we have to manually target in Dust, as it should be in any respectable FPS, my aim should be my only limiting factor.

By that logic I should be able to:

• jump in the air and spin 720 degrees rapidly. That's a limit factor to killing people who pop up randomly while I'm in the air
• whip a heavy machine gun around like a spinning top of doom
• use a forge gun like an exploding sledgehammer

Let me fix your sentence:

Since we have to manually target in Dust there should be skills or modules which allow me to spin faster because Dust is not a traditional FPS.

You're still thinking inside the CoD / Battlefield box. Imagine what EVE would be like if you had the option of Joystick manual control integrated suddenly. The game has been (and will forever be) a point-and-click MMO... but now there's the "element of skill" in piloting a ship "traditionally" like a "respectable vehicle sim game."

Also, you never addressed a single one of my points. Nice dodge.

Give scouts the same hitbox as assaults.Nuff SaidGäó

I addressed every point in the quoted post. Perhaps you have me confused with another person. Don't put words in my mouth.

I guess context isn't a word that holds much meaning with you. Your list is as trivial as your argument. So, because Heavies turn slower with an HMG (intended to limit the deadly potential of the HMG), Scouts should be able to step all over the role that Assault was intended to play? Scouts aren't supposed to be front line troops, their role is Assassination and backstabbing. And BTW, no one is saying that a scout shouldn't be the fastest strafing suit. My argument is their strafing speed should not be faster than an Assault can track. You either nerf their strafing speed or boost how fast Assaults track. Just as I as an Assault should not go head to head with a Heavy, a Scout should not go head to head with an Assault. Otherwise, why play anything but Scout?

And yes, I do think highly of BF and COD. You would have to be a moron to deny that both games got a lot of things right. Both are successful franchises and it would be idiotic to completely ignore their success. TOR ignored previous successful MMO features and they're paying for it now. I don't want Dust to do the same.

Currently what makes scouts seem OP may be the lag and hit detection which may be fixed in later builds or it could be their shield regen. In fights with scouts they can dodge most bullets and when they finally do get low on health they can duck off and a couple seconds later they are at full health, hell the very skilled players can just strafe and get back their full shields. Sure they don't have much health but with a their ability to dodge bullets with ease they don't need it.

I know most... well probably all scouts will disagree but what do you guys think about an adjustment to the scouts default shield regen speeds. Nothing too severe but currently the 60% faster regen than the assault seem a bit excessive. Thoughts?

Maybe you did, maybe you didn't... I just read through the thread again to see where my arguments were quoted and (not to my surprise) I couldn't find a post where my defenses to the scout's narrow hitbox and rapid strafing speed were addressed.

The point of the logic is that you said, "my ability to aim should be my only limiting factor," to which my response is, "No, in this game it shouldn't... and here's why." To which your response was then, "My argument is that {scouts} strafing speed should not be faster than an assault can track."

Now the funny thing about this is that if you look up at the long post I had (with all those points you addressed) you'd see that I specifically brought this up along with the fact that to properly track a scout you need to use elliptical ground movement. I can track scouts in a heavy suit using an HMG, I don't see why this is a problem for you (or anyone else for that matter).

You further your hole with this:

"You either nerf their strafing speed or boost how fast Assaults track. Just as I as an Assault should not go head to head with a Heavy, a Scout should not go head to head with an Assault. Otherwise, why play anything but Scout?"

Nothing should go head-to-head with a heavy except maybe another heavy... then again a heavy will not ever choose a "head-to-head" engagement because they're slow and easily flanked. Most heavy players will tell you they don't get to pick their engagements (at least not consistently without vehicular backup). Scouts currently engage assaults head on because of hit detection errors, not because they move around so fast it's impossible (as you suggest it is) to track a scout.

As to "why play anything but a scout suit?" Well that's easy: Scouts are fragile and they die easily... maybe I want to wield the big gun that blows up tanks... maybe I want to specialize in CQC engagement (which scouts are not suited to)... maybe I want to provide battlefield support and lock-down points (something which a logistics operator is more suited to, even moreso than a scout with a codebreaker). To bring this up was just foolish to begin with.

Now let's address this gem:

"Scouts aren't supposed to be front line troops, their role is Assassination and backstabbing." Says who? I prefer the front-line recon role mixed with Scout-sniper frontline Deployment. I also have a backup tank-hunter build specifically for people who decide to bring out 1+MM ISK tanks. None of those fits the criteria you specified (except maybe the scout-sniper as an assassin. Maybe). Players define the roles in this game, not the developer.

Now play with that and we'll talk later.